JayP do you not think there needs to be something done to address the gap?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 05/08/2015 15:36:48    1764488

But there isnt a gap financially if you look at the precenatges. Only a precieved gap in preformances from teams. But upsets still happen

Donegal v dublin last year
Kildare v cork this year
Derry v longford 2 years running

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 05/08/2015 15:45:07    1764496

I disagree on the money aspect...people seem to think more money will solve the problem, meaning they would pour it into the county teams.

Structures, plan and willingness are the first key ingredients.

Duffy is right, trying to make the weaker counties not weak by pouring money into them will be a useless task.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 05/08/2015 16:10:31    1764526

Let's take 4 counties for example with varying degrees of success, population clubs etc.

Dublin:
Pop: 1.3 mil
Total outlay 2,108,947
Team expences 95,090
Games development 1,460,400
Capital grants 0

Cavan:
Pop: 73,000
Total outlay 515000
Team expences 32000
Games development 49000
Capital grants 100000

Tyrone:
Pop: 180,000
Total outlay 384000
Team expences 12000
Games development 39000
Capital grants 0

Roscommon:
Pop: 65,000
Total outlay 1.1 mil
Team expences 56000
Games development 41000
Capital grants 750000

Dublin do spend a higher % on game development than Cavan and Roscommon but both these teams spend 60% more per head of population than Tyrone so this cannot be blamed for Dublin doing well. Dublin get no grant, spend a far lower % on team expenses


Money is not the issue. Roscommon is the best example of this. They get 1.1 mil from croker (half of what dublin get)

This is double what Cork get (as a dual county) 400k more than donegal get, almost double what kerry and mayo get, more than double than monaghan, triple of tyrone and for the 2 teams that beat them this year......double what sligo get and 4 times what Fermanagh get.

If money is the answer or as some say the problem.......why is the above happening?????

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 05/08/2015 16:21:56    1764539

Looks like Longford are going to be asking for a few quid. Another example today of a 'smaller' county wasting money

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 06/08/2015 09:48:14    1764809

Another team not called dublin mayo donegal or kerry getting money

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=242171

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 06/08/2015 15:49:31    1765152

Money is not the issue. Roscommon is the best example of this. They get 1.1 mil from croker (half of what dublin get)

This is double what Cork get (as a dual county) 400k more than donegal get, almost double what kerry and mayo get, more than double than monaghan, triple of tyrone and for the 2 teams that beat them this year......double what sligo get and 4 times what Fermanagh get.

If money is the answer or as some say the problem.......why is the above happening?????

@Doirecityfc

You do realise this is not the annual funding? Right? Your use of 'get' seems odd. The games development payment is the only consistent payment. Other payment vary from nil to the large sum you see Roscommon GOT (One off!). These are used to fund infrastructure developments i.e., new pitches, stands, lights, car parks, turnstiles, alleys et cetera. You are correct that money is not fully the issue but you happened upon that conclusion by serendipitous means from what I see.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 06/08/2015 16:34:14    1765195

Right Doire they get their grounds done up. Will they be used for big championship games? Nope.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 06/08/2015 16:43:32    1765198

Basically what JayP is saying is that funding-wise, he wants Dublin treated like a province, but in terms of competition, he wants them to compete as a county.

He also thinks that is fair...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 06/08/2015 16:51:31    1765211

longford have a major issue with their stadium and need help and should be given some sort of assistance

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 06/08/2015 17:00:30    1765221

No TheMaster, basically what I am saying is that if you look at DoireCityFC's FACTS, Dublins funding is relative to the amount of people they actually have to promote games too.

Let's take something simple, if there was one million euro to be distributed in development grants and it was equally distributed between 32 counties......each would get 31250.

Now that might be beneficial to a smaller county structurally, but it's not beneficial to Dublin structurally.

The GAA aren't stupid, attendances, commercial revenues etc. are biggest in Dublin.

Now TheMaster, Mayo get more funding than Leitrim. You are ok with giving Mayos funding to Leitrim as Mayo don't really need it with their sponsorship?

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 06/08/2015 18:15:02    1765280

Jayp is that funding for coaches or is for marketing the games?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 06/08/2015 20:43:46    1765370

gotmilk the issue of what it is used for is up to each county. The fact the GAA divide the money fairly is great and if it is not spent correctly thats a county issue

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 07/08/2015 08:23:48    1765426

Doire you have missed the point there.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 07/08/2015 09:30:46    1765459

Combination of both gotmilk. If you aren't coaching and developing underage structures you aren't keeping kids interested in gaa, ultimately that will lead to less bums on seats, less spending of jerseys etc, it's a circle.

Dublin pump all their cash into development squads and games promotion.

Doire is correct, county boards are getting the money, the problem is how they invest it.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 07/08/2015 13:53:40    1765631

i doubt longford are at fault for the stadium..its an engineeer issue...you would swear the people in the county board built it themselves....the money should be spread out more evenly like all leagues do...in america there is revenue sharing between all the teams...we dont want to go down the road of soccer where its all kept amongst the bigger sides and the disparity is massive

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 07/08/2015 14:23:26    1765653

fabio8 look at my post on the 5/8/15 and 4.20pm. it is spread out. Not very even as some teams get a higher % than Dublin, tyrone, donegal, mayo, kerry etc

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 07/08/2015 14:29:47    1765658

Unfortunately many issues with counties and "the gap" are just internal Fabio.

I'm not saying things are perfect, but I don't think throwing money at county boards who aren't doing their job is the answer either.

Kildare getting tonked in Croke Park isn't a resources issue. It's a structural issue. Kildare have competed well with Dublin at Minor and u21 level. It's how to transition that competitive nature into the senior set up.

Counties need a plan. Before throwing money at it...........have a plan. And again, Rome wasn't built in a day. Instant success is rarely achieved.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 07/08/2015 14:31:27    1765659

i agree jayp but there shouldnt be a huge disparity...kildare have no excuse for what has happened them...the smaller counties though need a lot more help then they are currently getting....coaching especially should be provided for all the counties...its easy to say certain county boards arent doing their job when they have nowhere near the funding or advantages that other counties have...a good crop of players covers up a lot of cracks

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 07/08/2015 16:05:58    1765717

doire..you blamed a county board for a stadium structural issue and how a county doesnt deserve money because of an engineer doing a poor job...where is the link for all the counties?..would be interested to read it...the extra money the bigger counties are getting in sponsorship means they are getting bigger advantages...money should be shared out e like it is in any well run league or competition around the world...in terms of budgets each county should start relatively equal

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 07/08/2015 16:08:38    1765719