A lot was made on here and by Brolly about Sean Cavanagh diving for a soft free in the first half on Saturday. Last night it showed clearly that he was tripped. Which makes sense as he had the man beaten and had no need to go down. Think a few people owe both him and the ref an apology on that one!

A Another (None) - Posts: 193 - 29/07/2013 09:05:35    1445616

I didn't ever think he dived but looked more like at angle of legs then a trip don't think there was any intention on the Meath player behalf

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/07/2013 09:17:12    1445630

Super player, legend in his own time

But, Tyrones tactics, and he was guilty, in the last 10 minutes were disgraceful. Same as Mayo against us last year. SON was at it aswell, and of course Conor Gormley was at it.

Cant beat them with football so we will just foul them instead. End justifies the means.

Sad to see

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 29/07/2013 09:20:07    1445634

Can you see Brolly eating humble pie on that one?

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 29/07/2013 09:28:53    1445647

Brend all messing aside, whats your view on the way Tyrone close out games like that?

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 29/07/2013 09:52:08    1445676

Oh dear another holier than thou poster, 2 points up with a few minutes left on the clock, a chance to get into the All Ireland Quarter finals, the opposition is coming at you hell bent on scoring a goal,,,, what you gonna do? Sit back and smile... catch yourself on!

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 29/07/2013 09:56:33    1445682

Haven't seen the replay so won't comment on whether it was a dive or not.

All I'll say is that in fairness to Seán, one of the finest players of his generation, I can easily see why people would jump to the conclusion that he dived.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13791 - 29/07/2013 09:56:54    1445683

You forgot to mention dublin doing it against laois last year liam. Cant beat them with football etc etc.

The thing is, on all of those occasions, the best team had gotten ahead by playing all the football. There should be stronger punishment for this, but pretending it isnt going to happen in every team when push comes to shove is ridiculous.

I thought that meath were harder done by with some of the soft frees tyrone were given. There were 3 points kicked from frees that shouldnt have been.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 29/07/2013 10:01:07    1445686

Brolly was out of order on Saturday in his comments.
If an all ireland quarter final is on the line you do what ya have to do.
He dismissed Cavanagh's performance like he did nothing out of bitterness to Tyrone.

On the subject of the cynical fouling, I agree it was bad but as the referee you have to judge each individual foul as what it is not the scenario of there being 5-10 mins left and the winning team protecting their lead.
This took away from the fact it was a very good and exciting game.
Sean Cavanagh gave a master display and in my opinion is still the best all round footballer in Ireland.

thehighballlow (UK) - Posts: 18 - 29/07/2013 10:06:13    1445694

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Liam, I've just reworded your question to how I believe it should read. The way this has been raised now is quite galling actually, like its just suddenly appeared from nowhere. Cast you mind back to 2008, Tyrone V Mayo qualifier, a pretty awful game it must be said, I remember Tyrone 'closing out' that game too to just hang on, not a word was said at the time, not by the pundits, the press, Mayo supporters, nothing. Look, I'm not going to lie, its not pretty, could be said it goes against the spirit of the game BUT it happens, and its up to the GAA to deal with it on a fair and CONSISTENT basis, thats the key word.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 29/07/2013 10:07:23    1445696

you do what you have to do, that is why SC, SON and Gormley were fouling they had the old experience head on and knew the clock was ticking down , would Donegal Dublin Mayo Kerry not have done the same thing? I think you'll find the answer to that question isn't blowing in the wind the answer is coming from the line.

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 29/07/2013 10:08:53    1445697

No Dive end of. His leg was clipped and going at that speed he couldn't stay on his feet. It's the other soft Frees Tyrone got that are hard to take. The penalty which was outside the large rectangle is another talking point. Tyrone Won and thats what should be the main talking point. It's becoming too regular that the main talking point of a big match is the Referee. This is sad for the game of football in my opinion. Well Done Tyrone in fairness you's did deserve to win the game

chriscart580 (Meath) - Posts: 376 - 29/07/2013 10:12:47    1445702

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Liam, I've just reworded your question to how I believe it should read. The way this has been raised now is quite galling actually, like its just suddenly appeared from nowhere. Cast you mind back to 2008, Tyrone V Mayo qualifier, a pretty awful game it must be said, I remember Tyrone 'closing out' that game too to just hang on, not a word was said at the time, not by the pundits, the press, Mayo supporters, nothing. Look, I'm not going to lie, its not pretty, could be said it goes against the spirit of the game BUT it happens, and its up to the GAA to deal with it on a fair and CONSISTENT basis, thats the key word.

Excellent honest assessment there Brend. It is up to administrators and referees to do something about cynical fouling (that all the top teams are at and Tyrone are certainly no better or worse than anybody else). Tyrone simply protected their lead. They are in an All-Ireland quarter final and fair play to them.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 29/07/2013 10:18:05    1445716

However Forty Five its only Tyrone who do the cynical fouling according to the Southern Media, oh and did you not know its only Tyrone and Donegal who play the Blanket Defense as well.... I was sitting close to the pitch for the Galway, Cork game. I was watching the Galway forwards as they legged it up and down the field, one minute attacking and the next defending! Oh but no mention of their Blanket defending on the Sunday game, Oh no!

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 29/07/2013 10:20:14    1445718

The Black Card comes into Play Next year. This won't help as it means a player has to leave the field but can be replaced. Will this not just waste time??

chriscart580 (Meath) - Posts: 376 - 29/07/2013 10:21:17    1445720

Shame on you cacsmckilly. Cork Galway was a nice open game of football. Galway are a traditional footballing county (whatever that means) and play the game the way it should be played..

The Sean Cavanagh 'trip' in question here happened right infront of me in the Cusack Stand. The Meath player accidentally tangled with Sean. His pace and momentum brought him down. Probably is a free in my eyes. The crowd of Meath fans infront of me instantly bound to their feet to complain. Perhaps they see the accidental part as not meriting a free. Maurice Deegan certainly gave Tyrone more than their fair share of the 50/50 calls. A couple of crucial frees in particular in the second half when Meath had went 1 up. If I was a Meath fan I would feel hard done by, but I wouldn't feel the referee cost them the game.

With regards the cynical fouling, Brend has put it better than I ever could.

EnolaGay (Tyrone) - Posts: 653 - 29/07/2013 10:29:06    1445728

chriscart580
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1445702 No Dive end of. His leg was clipped and going at that speed he couldn't stay on his feet. It's the other soft Frees Tyrone got that are hard to take. The penalty which was outside the large rectangle is another talking point. Tyrone Won and thats what should be the main talking point. It's becoming too regular that the main talking point of a big match is the Referee. This is sad for the game of football in my opinion. Well Done Tyrone in fairness you's did deserve to win the game

Well said chriscart very balanced and not easy so soon after such a close game that swung back and forth
I see the blinkers or on more than the inexperienced fillies as usual

Tyronetim (Tyrone) - Posts: 1254 - 29/07/2013 10:37:03    1445741

What is the rule when there is an accidental tangling of legs? More often then not you see a foul given but it seems harsh on the offender, I've seen plenty yellow cards given when legs are tangled as well, but then again you could get a yellow for anything these days.

CaisleanCnucha (Dublin) - Posts: 1379 - 29/07/2013 10:40:28    1445749

EnolaGay
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1445728 Shame on you cacsmckilly. Cork Galway was a nice open game of football. Galway are a traditional footballing county (whatever that means) and play the game the way it should be played..


Are you joking here, I was ten feet from the action, front row Hogan. The Galway boys were defending in numbers, forwards back helping out each time. You must have been wathcing the game with southern media glasses on

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 29/07/2013 10:46:48    1445760

Sean Cavanagh was excellent against us on Sunday, his runs through the centre destroyed us. I don't think he dived personally after seeing it on the Sunday Game. Have no complaints about any of Tyrone's tactics, they dictated the pace and slowed us down. Rightly or wrongly, that is the way the game is being played at the moment.

Anyone from Meath who whinges about the Ref or Tyrone should really know better. Take it on the chin and shut the hell up.

AnMhi96 (Meath) - Posts: 72 - 29/07/2013 10:53:29    1445777