Mayo full back line in 2010 C Barrett, G Cafferkey, K Higgins
Mayo full back line in 2012 K Keane, G Caferkey, K Higgins

Marren didn't play v Mayo in 2010 when Sligo won 0-15 to 1-8

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3993 - 13/06/2012 17:22:04    1193729

Keane is a big addition, Mayo have improved greatly since 2010 but you can't see past silly statistics that you think make for good analysis.


You think you're clued in but all i see is you come up with statistics , you don't seem to have a real grasp of how it actually is and you are in for a big shock if you think Mayo are in the same place as they were in 2010, in fact from what i hear they are in a lot better place than they were this time last year.

Mayo as a collective are 60% better then they were in 2010 (minimum).

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 13/06/2012 21:57:37    1193934

51 ur criticising GAA lover for using stats to prove a point... Then u say Mayo are "60% better than 2010"!!

I hope ur being sarcastic!

god (Westmeath) - Posts: 90 - 15/06/2012 11:44:06    1194764

Heading to Mayo for the weekend, obviously more in hope than in expectation. All the same it's a big game for Leitrim - I strongly suspect we'll be a lot stronger in the next 2-3 years (some good ones maturing, and some better ones back in the fold) and the chances are we'll have a crack at Mayo in Carrick; so it will be good to have ourselves measured off against them for that day. (I still regret Carrick in 2006(?), it was like a boxing match where the bell rang with the victor out for the count on the ropes, but ahead on points - another few minutes that day, or if Maxwell had been fit to play the whole match - it would have been a great and deserved win for Dolan's Leitrim who were a desperately unlucky team. Mayo men around me with their head in their hands, silent afterwards, very little cheering they were still in shock after being 8 or so points ahead).

My own lack of confidence stems from the last performance in the league, away to Fermanagh - never left a Leitrim match feeling that it will be a while before we're competitive - Fermanagh are not a good side and they were a class above us, and we had zero physicality. We have serious weaknesses that I don't feel are remediable in 2012 - which I am not going to publicise!! Meanwhile, Mayo were getting to the league final. Anyway, on any given day.....you never know.... and we do have some very tasty footballers indeed, but perhaps not enough of them.

On the positive side, apart from our non-appearance against Roscommon we did well in last year's championship - played really well in beating Sligo and gave Down plenty to think about in Newry, so it's unlikely to be a procession. Also, its a while since I was over in Mayo, so looking forward to bit of craic with them.

About the final, lets assume Mayo, but this equally applies to Leitrim. I have said on this forum and elsewhere for a long time, that given all teams playing at their best, Sligo are the best team in Connacht over the last 6-7 years. However, they are prone to bouts of over-confidence (Leitrim 2011, Roscommon 2010). The final is all about Sligo; if they turn-up with that fast hard-running game of theirs they will win. When they play at that pace, none of the Connacht teams can match them (Kerry and Tyrone could hardly do it either). I do think Mayo are better than they were, and Horan was a great appointment - they'll make Sligo play at 90-100% of their capability, and will win if Sligo play below that - and that's the Sligo dilemma, they play below their capability far too often.

If I was from Galway or Roscommon I wouldn't be too despondent. Roscommon are far better than they showed against Galway, and I've a feeling they will beat Armagh and completely revitalise their season. Galway were just on the wrong end of Sligo playing at their very best (had out-scored them by 11pts in the second-half at one stage!); any team that can go toe-to-toe with Kildare in a big match are not too bad at all (I believe Kildare are all-Ireland contenders). As I said Mayo are a much stronger and more resilient side under Horan, and Sligo, are just Sligo - could beat Dublin and lose to Waterford - just don't know. So overall I expect a strong showing from Connacht this year. And who knows, maybe my own beloved Leitrim could give their loyal supporters a few more days out.

Solo Run (None) - Posts: 317 - 20/06/2012 10:41:15    1198280

Game over.


Mayo Connacht Champions 2012!

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 20/06/2012 10:54:25    1198290

Good post Solo Run.

I do fear for Leitrim though. If Mayo turn up and play the way they can there's only a couple of teams in the whole of Ireland that can stop them, not to mind Connacht.

I do expect a Mayo win, with a bit to spare. With regards to the rest of the teams going forward, well it's hard to tell. The sheep stealers were awful against us, and we in turn were no great shakes against Sligo so there is plenty of room for improvement. I can't see Roscommon getting past Armagh, but stranger things have happened. I also fancy London to get another backdoor victory too. Hopefully our boys can regroup, get through the club games unscathed and then have a right good go at the qualifiers....I still think we can do damage this year so hopefully Mulholland can get the boys back to the type of form they showed in the Rossie game....

tribeinbrum (Galway) - Posts: 4155 - 20/06/2012 11:31:04    1198326

Great analysis Solo Run

heidi (Leitrim) - Posts: 24 - 20/06/2012 12:25:13    1198379

"great analysis solo run" ? Sligo the best team in Connacht the last seven years?

Holy jesus, this place friggin bonkers.



SEMI-FINAL: Mayo 3-11 Sligo 0-7 (McHale Park, 22/6/2008). MAYO: David Clarke; Colm Boyle, Kieran Conroy, Keith Higgins; Tom Cunniffe, David Heaney, James Nallen; Ronan McGarritty, Tom Parsons (0-2); Peadar Gardiner, Pat Harte (1-1, goal from a penalty), Trevor Mortimor (1-0); Conor Mortimor (0-5), Austin O'Malley (0-2), Andy Moran. Subs: Aidan Kilcoyne (1-1) for Gardiner, BJ Padden (for O'Malley), Mickey Mullins for Trevor Mortimor, Mark Ronaldson for Conor Mortimor.

FINAL: Galway 1-14 Mayo 2-12 (Pearse Stadium, 19/7/2009). MAYO: Kenneth O'Malley; Liam O'Malley, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins; Peadar Gardiner (0-1), Trevor Howley, Andy Moran; David Heaney (0-2), Ronan McGarrity (0-1); Pat Harte (0-1), Alan Dillon (0-2), Trevor Mortimer (0-1); Aidan Kilcoyne (0-1), Barry Moran (1-0), Aidan O'Shea (0-1). Subs: Donal Vaughan for Liam O'Malley, Conor Mortimer (1-2, one free) for Kilcoyne, Mark Ronaldson for Barry Moran, Tom Parsons for Heaney.

FINAL: Roscommon 0-11 Mayo 0-13 (Hyde Park, 17/7/2011). MAYO: Robert Hennelly; Keith Higgins, Alan Feeney, Tom Cunniffe; Richie Feeney, Donal Vaughan, Trevor Mortimer; Aidan O'Shea, Seamus O'Shea; Kevin McLoughlin (0-1), Alan Dillon (0-1), Andy Moran (0-1); Cillian O'Connor (0-8, frees), Alan Freeman, Jason Doherty. Subs: Ger Cafferkey for Alan Feeney, Enda Varley (0-1) for Doherty, Ronan McGarrity for Seamus O'Shea, Peadar Gardiner (0-1) for McLoughlin.


Semi-Final: Mayo 1-16 Dublin 2-12 (Croke Park, 27/8/2006). MAYO: D Clarke; D Geraghty, D Heaney (capt), K Higgins; P Gardiner, J Nallen, A Higgins (0-1) ; R McGarrity, P Harte; BJ Padden, G Brady (0-2), A Dillon (0-4); C Mortimer (0-5, one free), C McDonald (0-2, one sideline), M Conroy. Subs : B Moran for McGarrity (31 mins), K O'Neill (0-2) for Conroy (35 mins), A Kilcoyne for B Moran (45 mins), A Moran (1-0) for Nallen (46 mins). [RTE Sports News report] [Video clip of winning point]



Are you for real? Is this place full of ejits or what?

Mayo had a couple of bad years under JOM, 2010 and 07 , out of the last six nestors we have three of them and an AI final appearance in 06 , how in the name of god, do you make out Sligo have been the best team in connacht the last 6/7 years.

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 20/06/2012 13:33:09    1198442

.....that given all teams playing at their best, Sligo are the best team in Connacht over the last 6-7 years....


Re-read what I said, see above.

Stop flying off the handle again, you have previous on that!!! I'm NOT saying they are or have been the best team over the last 6-7 years - there is no clear best team in Connacht over that period (which makes it a very good championship in recent years).

To re-iterate my view (no agenda), Sligo when playing at their full potential have been better than any other team in Connacht playing at theirs. In that period Sligo's best is better than any other's best. Faster and far more powerful running than either Mayo or Galway.....that's all. It's an opinion, your welcome to your own - but I've held this for a long time. Salthill two weeks ago was another example of what I've seen repeatedly from them.........but they don't even know what team turns up the next day - if its that team with the same performance, they win Connacht. That's why I say its more about Sligo than Mayo.

It's not having a go at Mayo - more Sligo than anything - despite their ability, they have under achieved massively to date in my view.

Solo Run (None) - Posts: 317 - 20/06/2012 14:19:37    1198498

I also disagree that sligo are the best team in connacht over the last 7 years on their day. Mayo have achieved bigger feats, like the dublin game for example, sligo wouldnt have managed that. I dont they would have beaten cork last year either, or beaten tyrone when they were reigning AI champions. I dont buy into this notion that they are so talented but just inconsistent. Alan costello is one of their main men, and fair play to him Im happy to see it, but he wasnt good enough in mayo, in fact I would go as far as to say that he would not make the mayo squad if he was still there, nothing against the guy, bu if aidan kilcoyne cant get in then he wouldnt get in. For sligo to beat mayo (provided we advance of course) then they need mayo to have an off day, and that isnt the trait of a better team. If every team left in connaght plays to their best then mayo will be connaght champions, but then you cant guarantee that will happen.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 20/06/2012 14:19:37    1198499

".....that given all teams playing at their best, Sligo are the best team in Connacht over the last 6-7 years...."

I'm not taking you out of context at all, you're just saying if all played at their best Sligo would be the best team over the last 6/7 years , it's just your opinion and i happen to think it holds no water whatsoever.

It's also a nonsensical argument tbh, there is no realism about it, it's like saying if we played at our best all the time, we'd probably win every game, its just a complete nonsense.

Mayo are the best team in Connacht and have been for a while now overall.

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 20/06/2012 14:45:18    1198534

Solorun... I dont understand your logic.. How can a team who as you say very rarely play to their potential be considered a good team?? You should judge the best team in Connacht by the amount of Nestors won over a certain period... Which have Sligo same as Ross currently with Mayo and Galway sharing the remainder..

If you dont perform when you have the best team that is what I would call bottling it... a term which is often thrown at ourselves in Croke park... The only time we did bottle it in my opinion was V Meath in 96 (twice) and again in 2009... but thats going off the point!!

unclegerry (Mayo) - Posts: 1223 - 20/06/2012 14:46:19    1198536

Great post Solo Run. Although it seems like you hit a nerve with some Mayo followers but wouldn't worry they always seem to have difficulty reading posts properly. furthermore Connacht football at underage level has done really well in the All Ireland series over the last 6/7 years so in a few years Connacht could be very strong at senior level.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3993 - 20/06/2012 19:24:39    1198773

Mayo have achieved bigger feats, like the dublin game for example, sligo wouldnt have managed that. I dont they would have beaten cork last year either, or beaten tyrone when they were reigning AI champions.

Some people have very short memories? Sligo beat Tyrone in Croke park & also should have beaten Armagh & Kerry.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3993 - 20/06/2012 19:28:49    1198779

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'Some people have very short memories? Sligo beat Tyrone in Croke park & also should have beaten Armagh & Kerry.'


lMAO, is there any end to the horse manure in here? Mayo are the best team in Connacht and have been overall over the last ten years, appearing in two AI finals, winning connacht titles in 04, 06, 09 and 11, winning an u21 AI in 06, winning u21 provincial, 03,04,06,07,08,09., five all stars, massive games 06 v Dublin, 04 v Tyrone , last year v Cork.

For goodness sake tonight man, lets not be ridiculously stupid here, there is not a chance of Sligo gettin within an asses roar of Mayos pedigree over the last ten years.

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 20/06/2012 21:26:14    1198874

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
See what i mean folks about Mayo supporters having difficulty reading posts properly. stupid is as stupid does.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3993 - 20/06/2012 21:38:50    1198893

"winning an u21 AI in 06, winning u21 provincial, 03,04,06,07,08,09" hold up 51longago........i thought you told us all that underage success didn't matter? certainly doesn't matter to Sligo!

Solo run's point is easy to understand. Sligo on form are as good as any in Connacht if not the best of the bunch the problem for them is they are also the most inconsistent team in Ireland.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 4397 - 20/06/2012 21:48:25    1198905

Looking for a virtual pat on the back from other posters is really , well it says more about you really.

Lets start again and find out what it is exactly the point you are trying to get across here?

You dived in to compliment solorun on his point, that if Sligo played to their 100% , they would of been better than Mayo over the last 6/7 years.

I challenged that ridiculous nonsensical argument as it's not real, its just silly beggar stuff, i can't even try to articulate my reasoning as to why that point is so invalid because it just doesn't make an ounce of sense.

Next post in you quoted a poster because he said we had bigger feats than Sligo (obviously ) over said period, you threw into the hat a single sligo qualifer victory saying we had short memories.

I then pointed out our record v sligos record over a ten year period , our history is like chalk and cheese, now you are just incapable of debate because you have some sort of serious case of difficulty of facing the facts.

In connacht terminology ..Sligo= minnows.....Mayo = superpower...sin e and ya can tell AC, he can get his hands on a Mayo jersey after the final whistle.

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 20/06/2012 21:58:04    1198919

I like the way ur getting on the Mayo boys nerves here but you cant be serious about the sligo team over the last 7 years. Sligo have a handful of very good players but they also have a lot of very average players. This has mirrored their performance over that period.. Average at best...

god (Westmeath) - Posts: 90 - 21/06/2012 08:27:58    1198932

I think most Sligo fan's know we're well capable of beating ourselves and if it's true that "you make your own luck" then in the end we get what we deserve.
However Mayo don't have that problem, world beaters every day, never lose a game "super powers";) just like our friends across the Irish Sea, they talk the same talk and walk the same walk.

allSOran (Sligo) - Posts: 690 - 21/06/2012 12:17:32    1199075