Well lads, I see there is now talk of video ref or whatever you want to call it, so what should be the criteria for using it?
Different people will be calling for it to be used in a wide range of different scenarios but within the course of a GAA match there could be so many things that this could be ridiculous.

What criteria would you like to see the video ref being used for exclusively:
Examples:

Controversial goal/point.
Controversial penalty decision. (but if the ref blows for a peno he is hardly going to then call the video ref to see if he is wrong)!
Off the ball incident (sure you could be forever stopping the game for this with some players going down like soccer lads).
Red card offences.
Second yellow offences.
Was the free/sideline ball taken from the exact spot it was supposed to be etc!
......The list could go on!!

My preference would be for this video ref only to be used where there is a controversial score (eg meath and down this year) and controversial peno awarded only if the player was right on the line when he was 'fouled' or otherwise!

That way there are boundaries put on the use of the video ref and the human decision making element is still 'KING'!!

Thoughts?!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 31/08/2010 17:43:56    761696

With seven officials on the field should there be a need for video refs?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13846 - 31/08/2010 17:55:43    761716

well you could give each team 2 video ref calls per game & then it is up to the manager to decide what he wants replayed.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6628 - 31/08/2010 17:59:12    761719

I like slayer's idea. And have to say that with 2 linesmen and 4 umpires it is shocking the wrong calls. I blame the umpires rather that the refs and think you need to give them more power but make them more accountable. Make sure the umpires are actual refs not friends of the ref.

Sunday, all the calls were easy and all were wrong but I thought they evened things out as neither goal should have stood and teh ref did seem to give a lot of easy frees to Kildare.

Puddersthecat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1692 - 31/08/2010 18:08:38    761730

That is how it's done in American Football Slayer and it works perfectly. I'd say only for
1. Square balls.
2. Dodgy scores (although will video replays show a high ball was over the bar? I have my doubts)
3. Ball over the line
4. Controversial goals (e.g. Joe Sheridan)

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 31/08/2010 18:14:00    761738

iId say he should
1. Be able to use a remote control
2. Have a certificate from Specsavers

GrizzlyAdams (Tyrone) - Posts: 576 - 31/08/2010 18:16:06    761743

The problem with only giving two referrals to the video ref per game is that there could easily be more than two controversial calls per game. If a team uses its two referrals early on, the ref could still make a shocker of a decision late on in the game and nothing could be done about it. That would nearly make it worse- that video evidence was available but could not be used. Also even with video evidence there is no guarantee that it will give a definite answer. A perfect example is the late "penalty" that kildare say they should have been awarded. After multiple views at slow motion, the RTE panellists still could not decide what the correct call was ( a 13 metre free in was the correct call in my opinion but I fully understand why the ref gave a hop ball). Gaelic football is a fast moving all action sport when played at its best (more so than Rugby where it is used or soccer where it isnt), but so many games are already spoiled by too many breaks in play. I would be worried that use of the video will slow it up even more.

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 31/08/2010 18:20:56    761749

Have it that if your referal is right, you keep your two calls, like Tennis.

Puddersthecat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1692 - 31/08/2010 18:22:36    761755

I think it should be used the same way it is used in rugby, if the referee is unsure about a goal, point or a penalty award he contacts the video ref who can replay it and give the verdict.

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 31/08/2010 18:48:43    761791

Disputed points, square ball goals/points, over/not over the line ball, too many steps leading to point/goal etc. Fouls/cards should be left to the on field officials but umpires should be given far more powers and input.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9840 - 31/08/2010 18:57:34    761804

Ulsterman
County: Antrim
Posts: 2508

761804
Disputed points, square ball goals/points, over/not over the line ball, too many steps leading to point/goal etc. Fouls/cards should be left to the on field officials but umpires should be given far more powers and input.

Answer me this Ulsterwhine. How would you propose implementing this Video ref from Senior intercounty football all the way to down to Under 8 club football. I know you have little interest in the GAA other then to whine about bias. However if you make a rule change in the GAA it has to be implemented across all levels. No one is above anyone else in the GAA.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 31/08/2010 19:30:50    761840

Good point there Paddyogall, I can just it now at a small club game with one of the local lads wearing a viz vest with video ref emblazoned across the back, standing by the ditch following the play with his mobile phone switched on to video all the action.

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 31/08/2010 19:53:46    761875

Pinkie
County: Wexford
Posts: 1356

761738 That is how it's done in American Football Slayer and it works perfectly. I'd say only for
1. Square balls.
2. Dodgy scores (although will video replays show a high ball was over the bar? I have my doubts)
3. Ball over the line
4. Controversial goals (e.g. Joe Sheridan)
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Its easier to implement it in American Football as it is more stop-start. The play stops after each play and they have a countdown clock.

Fredthered (Donegal) - Posts: 1144 - 31/08/2010 20:01:00    761887

So what should be the criteria for the video ref?

Well you could start with giving a free out if it's a square ball and then finish by awarding a point when the ball goes over the bar.

derfil1 (Kildare) - Posts: 1612 - 31/08/2010 20:56:20    761935

derfil1
County: Kildare
Posts: 920

761935 So what should be the criteria for the video ref?

Well you could start with giving a free out if it's a square ball and then finish by awarding a point when the ball goes over the bar.

Well said.

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 31/08/2010 21:01:04    761943

A countdown clock would also have to be introduced to cater for the referral to the video ref.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 31/08/2010 21:04:15    761948

refereeing is not an exact science ,so many mistakes will be made. whatever makes the game more fair and honest, should be welcome!
Lot's of good suggestions , Thanks guys

Bigapple (Kerry) - Posts: 495 - 31/08/2010 21:06:43    761954

bryanadams
County: Kildare
Posts: 143

761943 derfil1
County: Kildare
Posts: 920

761935 So what should be the criteria for the video ref?

Well you could start with giving a free out if it's a square ball and then finish by awarding a point when the ball goes over the bar.

Well said.

You could also include giving a free out when a player runs 11 steps without bouncing or soloing!!!

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 31/08/2010 21:30:58    762001

O'galling,

The fact is you can't implement this at other levels and grounds. We all know it would be unworkable but most acknowledge that something needs done at Croke Park in particular. Maybe we should restrict this to Championship matches at quarter, semi and final and and other games that are shown live such as the qualifiers. Go on put a Down flag in the front garden and a Tyrone one in the back, you will feel better for it.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9840 - 31/08/2010 21:34:52    762003

this new video ref could help people who get to drunk after the match by showing them videos of themselfs making ass holes out of themselfs and put it on u tube for them.he could end up like superman or super video ref

andunstar (Down) - Posts: 22 - 31/08/2010 21:44:29    762024