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Replying To latouche25:  "Just a question for everyone, the insurance has been suspended, all facilities are closed. Does this mean that the maintenance has to stop, grass cutting ect. If there's no insurance then you're not covered in case of an accident."
A Chara,


I hope you are all well and keeping safe. I have been asked for clarification of a number of issues.

A lot of Clubs asked about upkeep of their premises and grounds. Some also asked about public liability insurance. The reply from Croke Park is below:


Essential maintenance doesn't compromise public safety. And it can't be done at home. So it is fine to carry out those jobs. The same argument applies to collecting the post, turning off the burglar alarm if it goes off, popping in to see everything is ok , any other incidental visit etc etc.

They are not closed as workplaces. So treat them as any other workplace.

Just keep visits to a minimum, only somebody authorised by exec is permitted, should be alone, observe the hse guidance, and so on.

There is no change to insurance either.

Letter sent to clubs earlier this week.

StickFan (Meath) - Posts: 192 - 28/03/2020 08:28:36    2274875

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Replying To Roger:  "This project has been managed from start to finish and I think the county board deserve huge praise for it. We can all say we would have done things differently or went down another path.
A lot of politics are at play and also we have a lot of people in our GAA community who work in the construction sector and have vested interests."
Roger, I am not involved in politics within or outside of the GAA and only have a very minor role in my club. My views are my own (I am not part of any group either for or against the development) and I am only voicing my grave concerns about how the project is been phased, the financial implications and the very substantial risk of jeopardising the whole project if Meath GAA continue to insist on having the Commons Road (terrace) side as Phase 1 of the construction.
I am of the opinion that if people viewed the planning file, proposed costings, proposed phasing & ancillary works (which is what I did and when I researched the project) they would form the same opinion as myself. The reality is the only view that I can form with the approach to the phasing of the project is, that it is financial suicide and this was my view even before Covid-19. It is the only reason I raise this issue again, in hope that the decision makers will seriously weigh up the disastrous implications it could have on Meath GAA for generations to come.

In any case I am pretty sure because of the Covid-19 there will be have to be a review of the whole project and I hope the County Board are using this quiet time to review the project in detail. The Covid-19 gives everyone an opportunity and an excuse to be able to readjust their positions going forward.
In reality with the Planning permission granted over 2 years ago we should have been further down the road even before Covid-19 occurred. As the Commons Road side is forming phase 1 of the project, one would have imagined that Planning Condition No. 5 :Prior to commencement of development the applicant shall submit for and shall have obtained written agreement of the Planning Authority proposals for the treatment of the areas along the full road frontage of the site. This shall include vehicular, pedestrian and cycle access to the development and it shall also include public realm and street furniture proposals.
Why in over 2 years has it not been possible for the County Board to provide details on that area of road frontage, which is the subject area of the development and which is proposed to be phase 1 of the construction. The County Board have paid out €700,000 in design fees and yet 2 years after planning permission has been granted it is very unclear what is been proposed in Phase 1. There is absolutely no reason if County Board delegates are been requested to vote on Phase 1 proceeding that clarity on what they are actually voting on is available for them to view. As I said before these drawings should be available to view on the Meath GAA website. They should be front and centre on the website especially now as there is no action on the playing fields.
Roger I apologise for appearing to be so negative and honestly would be happy if my concerns were all unfounded. Unfortunately the more I research the project the more concerned I get.
In light of all that is going on, all of this might be considered minor, I hope everyone is keeping well and we can all very soon get our fix of live GAA action, at this stage I would gladly take seating on those very uncomfortable seats on the old stand and take a soaking in the freezing rain in the uncovered terrace if I thought I could get out to see a game.
Having said that I would welcome a bit more comfort in a new stand.

madmeath (Meath) - Posts: 44 - 16/05/2020 19:18:30    2278409

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Replying To madmeath:  "Roger, I am not involved in politics within or outside of the GAA and only have a very minor role in my club. My views are my own (I am not part of any group either for or against the development) and I am only voicing my grave concerns about how the project is been phased, the financial implications and the very substantial risk of jeopardising the whole project if Meath GAA continue to insist on having the Commons Road (terrace) side as Phase 1 of the construction.
I am of the opinion that if people viewed the planning file, proposed costings, proposed phasing & ancillary works (which is what I did and when I researched the project) they would form the same opinion as myself. The reality is the only view that I can form with the approach to the phasing of the project is, that it is financial suicide and this was my view even before Covid-19. It is the only reason I raise this issue again, in hope that the decision makers will seriously weigh up the disastrous implications it could have on Meath GAA for generations to come.

In any case I am pretty sure because of the Covid-19 there will be have to be a review of the whole project and I hope the County Board are using this quiet time to review the project in detail. The Covid-19 gives everyone an opportunity and an excuse to be able to readjust their positions going forward.
In reality with the Planning permission granted over 2 years ago we should have been further down the road even before Covid-19 occurred. As the Commons Road side is forming phase 1 of the project, one would have imagined that Planning Condition No. 5 :Prior to commencement of development the applicant shall submit for and shall have obtained written agreement of the Planning Authority proposals for the treatment of the areas along the full road frontage of the site. This shall include vehicular, pedestrian and cycle access to the development and it shall also include public realm and street furniture proposals.
Why in over 2 years has it not been possible for the County Board to provide details on that area of road frontage, which is the subject area of the development and which is proposed to be phase 1 of the construction. The County Board have paid out €700,000 in design fees and yet 2 years after planning permission has been granted it is very unclear what is been proposed in Phase 1. There is absolutely no reason if County Board delegates are been requested to vote on Phase 1 proceeding that clarity on what they are actually voting on is available for them to view. As I said before these drawings should be available to view on the Meath GAA website. They should be front and centre on the website especially now as there is no action on the playing fields.
Roger I apologise for appearing to be so negative and honestly would be happy if my concerns were all unfounded. Unfortunately the more I research the project the more concerned I get.
In light of all that is going on, all of this might be considered minor, I hope everyone is keeping well and we can all very soon get our fix of live GAA action, at this stage I would gladly take seating on those very uncomfortable seats on the old stand and take a soaking in the freezing rain in the uncovered terrace if I thought I could get out to see a game.
Having said that I would welcome a bit more comfort in a new stand."
Is there somewhere online where we can view the planning documents? I would like to have a look over myself as I wouldn't be in favour of a fully seated stadium.

mightymhi (Meath) - Posts: 11 - 16/05/2020 22:41:40    2278431

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Replying To mightymhi:  "Is there somewhere online where we can view the planning documents? I would like to have a look over myself as I wouldn't be in favour of a fully seated stadium."
If you go onto the Planning search of the Meath County Council website and when prompted search type, choose file Number, type in NA171423, the file will open and then choose View Scanned Files. Hope that helps you.

madmeath (Meath) - Posts: 44 - 16/05/2020 23:49:47    2278437

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Replying To madmeath:  "Roger, I am not involved in politics within or outside of the GAA and only have a very minor role in my club. My views are my own (I am not part of any group either for or against the development) and I am only voicing my grave concerns about how the project is been phased, the financial implications and the very substantial risk of jeopardising the whole project if Meath GAA continue to insist on having the Commons Road (terrace) side as Phase 1 of the construction.
I am of the opinion that if people viewed the planning file, proposed costings, proposed phasing & ancillary works (which is what I did and when I researched the project) they would form the same opinion as myself. The reality is the only view that I can form with the approach to the phasing of the project is, that it is financial suicide and this was my view even before Covid-19. It is the only reason I raise this issue again, in hope that the decision makers will seriously weigh up the disastrous implications it could have on Meath GAA for generations to come.

In any case I am pretty sure because of the Covid-19 there will be have to be a review of the whole project and I hope the County Board are using this quiet time to review the project in detail. The Covid-19 gives everyone an opportunity and an excuse to be able to readjust their positions going forward.
In reality with the Planning permission granted over 2 years ago we should have been further down the road even before Covid-19 occurred. As the Commons Road side is forming phase 1 of the project, one would have imagined that Planning Condition No. 5 :Prior to commencement of development the applicant shall submit for and shall have obtained written agreement of the Planning Authority proposals for the treatment of the areas along the full road frontage of the site. This shall include vehicular, pedestrian and cycle access to the development and it shall also include public realm and street furniture proposals.
Why in over 2 years has it not been possible for the County Board to provide details on that area of road frontage, which is the subject area of the development and which is proposed to be phase 1 of the construction. The County Board have paid out €700,000 in design fees and yet 2 years after planning permission has been granted it is very unclear what is been proposed in Phase 1. There is absolutely no reason if County Board delegates are been requested to vote on Phase 1 proceeding that clarity on what they are actually voting on is available for them to view. As I said before these drawings should be available to view on the Meath GAA website. They should be front and centre on the website especially now as there is no action on the playing fields.
Roger I apologise for appearing to be so negative and honestly would be happy if my concerns were all unfounded. Unfortunately the more I research the project the more concerned I get.
In light of all that is going on, all of this might be considered minor, I hope everyone is keeping well and we can all very soon get our fix of live GAA action, at this stage I would gladly take seating on those very uncomfortable seats on the old stand and take a soaking in the freezing rain in the uncovered terrace if I thought I could get out to see a game.
Having said that I would welcome a bit more comfort in a new stand."
How could they be "further down the road" as you say when the €6.2 million from LSSIF was only allocated in January gone by, that money was crucial to gaining Central and Leinster Council funding as well as going towards the overall cost, how can you go further down the road with an €12 million project when money hadn't been allocated, that wasn't the fault of Meath GAA, that was the government delaying the announcements and looking for a boost before a General Election.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3590 - 27/05/2020 17:01:32    2279330

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Replying To Richieq:  "How could they be "further down the road" as you say when the €6.2 million from LSSIF was only allocated in January gone by, that money was crucial to gaining Central and Leinster Council funding as well as going towards the overall cost, how can you go further down the road with an €12 million project when money hadn't been allocated, that wasn't the fault of Meath GAA, that was the government delaying the announcements and looking for a boost before a General Election."
Richieq the point I am making is that although there was €700,000 euro spent on design fees, the County Board have still not submitted to Meath County Council or presented the drawings to the delegates or the public for Phase 1 of the development on the Commons Road side that were requested as part of the planning permission granted over 2 years ago. I was highlighting that it was not fair to be asking the County Board delegates to vote to proceed with Phase 1 when no drawings were available to know what they were voting on. They did not need the €62 from LLSIF to do those drawings as surely those drawings would be included in the €700,000 the design team were paid for the design.
If the County Board were so confident and believed Phase 1 of the development was the correct route to take for the redevelopment of Pairc Tailtean, they would surely be at the very least promoting and presenting the Phase 1 of the proposed development so as to garner support from the public.
Richieq I was really worried about how the whole redevelopment was been managed by the County Board and the path they were been led down but the fallout from Covid-19 has probably put a spanner in the works.

madmeath (Meath) - Posts: 44 - 01/06/2020 00:36:18    2279625

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Has anyone any word on when the stadium upgrade is due to start

MeathOnHill16 (Meath) - Posts: 225 - 11/09/2020 16:01:37    2291571

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Replying To MeathOnHill16:  "Has anyone any word on when the stadium upgrade is due to start"
Haven't heard an inkling since the proposals were ratified and granted back in 2018/19. Since then it's been every other few months earmarked for starting the development, but nothing as of yet. Knowing the culture of planning and the pace usually associated with these types of works in Ireland, along with the new world of covid restriction and regulation, if we see the project done by 2030 it would be good time.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 392 - 13/09/2020 08:19:44    2291788

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Replying To MeathOnHill16:  "Has anyone any word on when the stadium upgrade is due to start"
Funding received from the government (€6 million plus) is safe but associated funding from Leinster and Central Council is on hold due to the current situation, Kildare and Waterford in the same boat as ourselves with their projects, just have to wait until the coffers replenish before the extra funding needed is forthcoming. It looks like filling the funding gap in Casement Park now will be a feat that would need the skills of Paul Daniels and his lovely assistant Debbie McGee to accomplish.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3590 - 18/09/2020 19:40:46    2292945

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Replying To Richieq:  "Funding received from the government (€6 million plus) is safe but associated funding from Leinster and Central Council is on hold due to the current situation, Kildare and Waterford in the same boat as ourselves with their projects, just have to wait until the coffers replenish before the extra funding needed is forthcoming. It looks like filling the funding gap in Casement Park now will be a feat that would need the skills of Paul Daniels and his lovely assistant Debbie McGee to accomplish."
"Funding received from the government (€6 million plus) is safe"
Where on this planet have you been since St Patrick's Day. The government have been overwhelmed for this payment and that payment in the intervening 6 months. Granted a promise was made but on the condition that co-funding from various GAA sources would be available! Each and every unit of the GAA that carried out any development over the past number of years ( including Croke Park) must be severely stretched to meet repayments especially as games are currently BRINGING IN NO MONEY. If the co-funding is not available the government can justifiably walk away. Also bear in mind that most of next year may easily be no different to this year. Therefore it will take a long, long time for any organization, with commitments, deprived of income for let's assume 18 months to become profitable again.
Whither we like it or not this project is seriously compromised, so park it for the present and let a newer generation with more realistic plans refurbish the old lady when confidence not alone returns but has been firmly established.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 743 - 18/09/2020 22:48:13    2292976

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Replying To MillerX:  ""Funding received from the government (€6 million plus) is safe"
Where on this planet have you been since St Patrick's Day. The government have been overwhelmed for this payment and that payment in the intervening 6 months. Granted a promise was made but on the condition that co-funding from various GAA sources would be available! Each and every unit of the GAA that carried out any development over the past number of years ( including Croke Park) must be severely stretched to meet repayments especially as games are currently BRINGING IN NO MONEY. If the co-funding is not available the government can justifiably walk away. Also bear in mind that most of next year may easily be no different to this year. Therefore it will take a long, long time for any organization, with commitments, deprived of income for let's assume 18 months to become profitable again.
Whither we like it or not this project is seriously compromised, so park it for the present and let a newer generation with more realistic plans refurbish the old lady when confidence not alone returns but has been firmly established."
The government will not see the GAA stuck in any way, mind you the €19 million they are getting to run the championships could have been better spent by giving the required funding to Meath, Kildare and Waterford and let the club championships run their course, inter county should have been skipped this year in my view, other forms of funding can also be applied for, I don't see why it should be compromised, the government will borrow to sustain the country, money is cheaply available so just go get it. In terms of realistic it is realistic in that it would only be fully built if funding allowed, there's always a chance parts of it could be downsized, and I'm certain they will be, I even thought that before a virus was even heard of

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3590 - 23/09/2020 15:30:27    2293781

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Replying To Richieq:  "The government will not see the GAA stuck in any way, mind you the €19 million they are getting to run the championships could have been better spent by giving the required funding to Meath, Kildare and Waterford and let the club championships run their course, inter county should have been skipped this year in my view, other forms of funding can also be applied for, I don't see why it should be compromised, the government will borrow to sustain the country, money is cheaply available so just go get it. In terms of realistic it is realistic in that it would only be fully built if funding allowed, there's always a chance parts of it could be downsized, and I'm certain they will be, I even thought that before a virus was even heard of"
"the government will borrow to sustain the country, money is cheaply available so just go get it."
Yes I would hope that the government will continue to borrow PRUDENTLY to sustain the country, that is essential services and to insure that families will survive, even this week the pandemic payment rates have been reduced so it would appear to me that expenditure is being closely monitored, prudence by another name.
Of course "money is cheaply available", at this moment interest rates are low, lower even than before the crash in 08 but that won't save the country, banks or borrowers if the world's financial systems deem that we will have difficulties meeting our commitments or that liabilities exceed assets, simply by devaluing the assets. Then interest rates start to maybe only nudge up ever so little, national income drops and guess what? We have pressed the destruct button again, within a decade and a half of the last calamity.

I cannot see how our County Committee or Leinster Council can come up with the co-funding required to carry out the proposals as outlined presently. Neither body have had any worthwhile in one this year and there must be serious doubts for next year as well. A step back is required and for a start the idea of even two stands needs very careful consideration.

It would also help greatly if delegates knew exactly what the proposals are and the order in which they are to be carried out.

To repeat again cheap money today may not be cheap money tomorrow especially as times are so uncertain and people are too willing to party at the expense of others from a fiscal and public health point of view.

So let's think of resurrecting the old grey stadium only when we are again free to turn up and "pay at the gate".

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 743 - 23/09/2020 17:05:42    2293804

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The way things are going a curtain side trailer with a few chairs from the local hall are all the development we will need to hold a crowd.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3590 - 07/10/2020 13:15:45    2296236

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Replying To Richieq:  "The way things are going a curtain side trailer with a few chairs from the local hall are all the development we will need to hold a crowd."
And it could be brought from venue to venue....you could be on to something there.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 743 - 07/10/2020 16:42:21    2296276

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