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So with the Senior over I see there is a game tonight in the Minor Championship . Div 2 Final in Ashbourne and then the Div 1 final in navan on Sunday. dnewlad (Meath) - Posts: 137 - 08/11/2021 11:46:18 2388742 Link 0 |
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Killary have a very strong team at this age, have a great chance of winning this but Skyrne will be no pushover. However in the other game I think Cilles will be too strong for Ashbourne, not taking away from the fact that Ashbourne are a big team and won't be no pushover.
MeathGaa2004 (Meath) - Posts: 25 - 08/11/2021 13:53:13 2388768 Link 0 |
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Both games will be good but I think Killary will have the edge on Skyrne and will win it by a few! The other game is a really interesting one - Cilles beat Ashbourne in the group game although there was little at stake! Cilles are a quality team and play nice football - Ashbourne are physically strong and although they have good footballers I think their fitness and physicality is what they rely on! Cilles were a little lucky to get over Ratoath in the semi but they showed real determination to keep going to the end. I think it will be tight and wouldn't expect their to be much more than a score (3 points) in it! Cilles just!! ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 09/11/2021 09:12:37 2388840 Link 0 |
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Well done Killary last night it was a good game. This final should've been played with the Div 1 final. Cilles struggled against Rataoth in the semi-final, cilles county players looked average. They also had a tough match against Ashbourne in the group stages and struggled to get over the line. TheGalwayman (Meath) - Posts: 4 - 09/11/2021 10:08:01 2388857 Link 0 |
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Out of genuine curiosity how is it not helping that the CB are parading the All Ireland winning Minor squad at every big occasion?
Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 869 - 09/11/2021 11:24:58 2388868 Link 0 |
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Firstly, spelling correction deserve should be desire. I believe, since the the club championships started, the CB has had these players at some event ie Civic receptions, football finals, a BBQ hosted by sponsors and also whatever school they brought the trophies too. All this could've been done after the club championship. The clubs suffered not having all their players for training and challenge games. TheGalwayman (Meath) - Posts: 4 - 09/11/2021 12:44:15 2388890 Link 0 |
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Ok fair enough I can see your point. Could be a big distraction to these lads.
Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 869 - 09/11/2021 13:05:08 2388894 Link 0 |
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What clubs were training during school hours ? , also what clubs were training on county final day at 2 pm ? , civic receptions are as rare as a blue moon , i don't think that 2 hours on a Monday evening is going to do lasting damage,
Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1467 - 11/11/2021 10:45:14 2389093 Link 15 |
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Any idea why some of these finals are being played midweek, after all the hard work to get to a final it seems a bit little making of the occasion? Thunderstruck (Meath) - Posts: 467 - 12/11/2021 12:16:03 2389193 Link 1 |
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interesting to see big clubs 2nd teams in winning lower division titles, some couldnt field in minor leagues this summer and now have 30/35 players at finals/ semi finals fred2 (Meath) - Posts: 23 - 12/11/2021 21:42:31 2389238 Link 0 |
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The CB need to do something about this, it looks like St Peter's and Rataoth only fielded for 2 games in the Summer league thats good preparation for their Championship. The other clubs that had 2nd teams they were in higher leagues Ashbourne and Colmcilles in Div 1+4, , ok they may have struggled in Div 4 but they played their games. The CB needs to look at this, smaller clubs are struggling against the big clubs. Clubs with 2nd teams must play all their league games to qualify for Championship. TheGalwayman (Meath) - Posts: 4 - 13/11/2021 11:12:04 2389258 Link 0 |
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It is not as simple to solve those problems as it appears, firstly for the Minor Leagues during the Summer, it is not always as easy (even for big clubs) to field a 2nd team. For instance I think St Colmcilles had 7 players on the Meath Minor panel this year who were not available for the league, on top of that been summertime lots of lads away. So it is always going to be easier to field 2nd teams in the Autumn. The answer might be a Premier Minor Championship for 2nd teams, where all 2nd teams play must play in and that would leave it fairer on the smaller clubs.
Meathball (Meath) - Posts: 140 - 13/11/2021 12:51:09 2389264 Link 0 |
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Normally it's the other way round. We're told that it's wrong to punish teams who don't field, because that'd be unfair on small clubs.... CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 13/11/2021 16:01:20 2389283 Link 15 |
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thats a fair point,but it doesnt look right to be allowed into championship if you concede multiple games in league, how could they accurately graded for example, also leads to questions about eligiblity of players.
fred2 (Meath) - Posts: 23 - 13/11/2021 21:36:43 2389335 Link 0 |
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Eligibility of players is managed well at minor. First team names 15 players - they can only play first team. After that everyone else can play second team even if they actually start a first team game. The league is a bit of a mess - minors and under 16 county players (both football and hurling) are unavailable for a lot of league games. It is hard on clubs as they generally make their entries without knowing exactly who is and who isn't on the county squads. The other issue this year is that an under 15 league ran at a similar time so ultimately a lot of players were unavailable for a lot of clubs! The premier league idea is probably worth a look alright! ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 14/11/2021 14:09:55 2389365 Link 0 |
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Not sure if that rule applies to championship, basic GAA rules are you can't play in the same championship at different levels. The rule you quote is open to abuse, a team could have 8/9 who play in division 1 and then play in division 4/5 or 6 semis/finals as well, where does that leave the genuine 2nd team player? fred2 (Meath) - Posts: 23 - 15/11/2021 18:07:24 2389569 Link 1 |
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Ratoath not fielding in Division 5 final v Ballivor tonight, poor form fred2 (Meath) - Posts: 23 - 29/11/2021 18:24:13 2391154 Link 0 |
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I understand here was a miscommunication in terms of the rules regarding players playing with first team etc. The rules from the county board clearly state that 15 players have to be named as first team players and these are ineligible to play with the second team. Ratoath apparently were decimated with injuries for their last group game against Dunboyne and played some of their second team squad so as to fulfil the fixture - as these lads were not named in the first 15 list they believed they were eligible to play for the second team. (I was told yesterday that they had 7 first team players injured and started 7 of their second team and the result 2 - 14 Dunboyne to 0-2 Ratoath would support that!) It appears Ballivor have objected to those lads playing in the final and that Ratoath don't have sufficient numbers to field a team. I would be very surprised if other clubs didn't use palyers on tehir second teams who played as subs on their first team given how the rule reads! Below is the rule as laid out in the Coiste Mionuir An Mhi regulations 2021 (rule 6) - it doesn't mention players who are not named in the starting 15 but who come on as a sub etc 6. Unless provided for under competition specific rules, a club fielding two teams at any age level shall provide in writing their top fifteen players who shall be ineligible to play for the second team - the list should include players name, GAA ID and DOB. The list of fifteen names must be submitted to An Rúnaí Coiste Mionúir at least two weeks prior to the commencement of the competition. I personally would read this that only the 15 named players are excluded - but I guess there will be different interpretations - The one thing that is sure is that a group of lads at under 17 have been impacted by this and it extends beyond Ballivor and Ratoath ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 01/12/2021 12:39:58 2391288 Link 0 |
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For clarity, Ballivor did not object to anyone or anything and couldn't have as they hadn't played Ratoath and had no grounds to complain. I think it's fair that you withdraw that remark. Secondly Rules about eligibility are clear that you can't play down in same championship, is it fair that players! who start div1 semi final and then play in Div5 semi final. Ratoath had almost 40 players in semifinal and couldn't find 15 to play final? fred2 (Meath) - Posts: 23 - 01/12/2021 18:25:02 2391338 Link 0 |
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I disagree that the rules of eligibility are clear for a start. This is the exact and only wording in the handbook given to clubs. IN my view it clearly states that only the named 15 can't play down. 6. Unless provided for under competition specific rules, a club fielding two teams at any age level shall provide in writing their top fifteen players who shall be ineligible to play for the second team - the list should include players name, GAA ID and DOB. The list of fifteen names must be submitted to An Rúnaí Coiste Mionúir at least two weeks prior to the commencement of the competition. As for Ratoath having 40 players at the semi-final - that is simply not true. They had a total Minor panel across first and second teams of 35 players this year. They had several injuries - most notably I suppose to the Meath Minor Captain, Kelly who I believe only played once for them all year. My son is in school with one of the Ratoath lads and he tells me that Ratoath were missing 7 of their starting 15 in the group game against Dunboyne - they played a lot of their second team that day on the basis of their understanding of the rule. Those lads were all ineligible for the Division 5 final (and semi-final as it happens!) So I think they only 8 or 9 players who hadn't played at some point with the first team! As for Ballivor objecting - what I heard was that they raised it with the County Board - so I do apologise, if Ballivor didn't object. I know that other teams who entered two teams used players other than their named 15 across both squads. Anyway, at the end of the day there is no winners here - and personally I think the regulations sent out were not clear - to me that is where the lesson is! Perhaps the County Board should have allowed the semi finalists that Ratoath beat play Ballivor - or perhaps Ballivor should have said that they'd play Ratoath anyway! Whatever - lessons need to be learned and agreed for the future. ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 02/12/2021 10:34:49 2391379 Link 0 |