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Ratoath won minor in 2011 & 2012 (should have won in 2010 as well) but we only won the intermediate in 2015. It was only 2019 that this group of players came of age with winning the senior title.
Cilles won the minor in 2016 and have now made the minor final in five of the last six years. But the players that go on to play adult football are going straight into the senior championship which is an absolutely huge step up regardless of how talented younger player is. I'd expect it to be another few years before the results of the work done at underage in Cilles come to fruition at senior level, but I do think it will happen.

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1374 - 12/11/2021 13:36:31    2389197

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Replying To Ratoath Royal:  "Ratoath won minor in 2011 & 2012 (should have won in 2010 as well) but we only won the intermediate in 2015. It was only 2019 that this group of players came of age with winning the senior title.
Cilles won the minor in 2016 and have now made the minor final in five of the last six years. But the players that go on to play adult football are going straight into the senior championship which is an absolutely huge step up regardless of how talented younger player is. I'd expect it to be another few years before the results of the work done at underage in Cilles come to fruition at senior level, but I do think it will happen."
Cilles rack up another Minor Title....

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 401 - 15/11/2021 18:01:24    2389568

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Replying To Ratoath Royal:  "Ratoath won minor in 2011 & 2012 (should have won in 2010 as well) but we only won the intermediate in 2015. It was only 2019 that this group of players came of age with winning the senior title.
Cilles won the minor in 2016 and have now made the minor final in five of the last six years. But the players that go on to play adult football are going straight into the senior championship which is an absolutely huge step up regardless of how talented younger player is. I'd expect it to be another few years before the results of the work done at underage in Cilles come to fruition at senior level, but I do think it will happen."
Only won the inter?? I wouldnt say "Only" . . takes a huge effort to get out of intermediate

And a Lot of those minors Minors back boned the Junior win in 2012 . . So Id say that helped the lads introduction to Adult Football in terms of getting used to the physicality and the quality getting stepped up every few years . If Cilles can get lads to stay interested and stay hungry they will go far but it will take a lot as theres only 15 spots available

lagoreX (Meath) - Posts: 222 - 16/11/2021 09:54:44    2389595

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Replying To lagoreX:  "Only won the inter?? I wouldnt say "Only" . . takes a huge effort to get out of intermediate

And a Lot of those minors Minors back boned the Junior win in 2012 . . So Id say that helped the lads introduction to Adult Football in terms of getting used to the physicality and the quality getting stepped up every few years . If Cilles can get lads to stay interested and stay hungry they will go far but it will take a lot as theres only 15 spots available"
I take it what the poster meant by "only" was that it took several years after their minor wins for them to win the Intermediate, not that the Intermediate was a small achievement.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1664 - 16/11/2021 12:21:23    2389633

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Replying To lagoreX:  "Only won the inter?? I wouldnt say "Only" . . takes a huge effort to get out of intermediate

And a Lot of those minors Minors back boned the Junior win in 2012 . . So Id say that helped the lads introduction to Adult Football in terms of getting used to the physicality and the quality getting stepped up every few years . If Cilles can get lads to stay interested and stay hungry they will go far but it will take a lot as theres only 15 spots available"
As CastleBravo said, my point was more that you can't expect a talented minor team to make a serious impact at a high level of adult football within a couple of years, not denigrating our achievement at winning the intermediate in 2015. Our golden generation of minor players needed 3 years to make it out of the intermediate and another 4 years to win the Keegan Cup.
I believe that this is now Cilles' golden generation coming through and it will take time for them to make an impact at senior level. They'll be there or thereabouts within 5 years or so I'd wager.

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1374 - 17/11/2021 12:20:53    2389749

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "Nobody taking your words for anything fella.

You claimed Dunshaughlin would have way too much for navan and pretty much dismissed Navans hopes altogether. Folk on here with perhaps a little more experience advised you that it would not be as simple as that and that Navan would not go down without a fight (unlike Dunshaughlin who went down without any kind of fight)

The fear now if I was a dunshaughlin man is that your attitude will be mirrored in those players and they will go into next year thinking that winning inter and going straight back up will just happen for them.

Not sure the last club to get relegated and come straight back up the following year but it hasn't happened the last 10 years at least so Dunshughlin will be in for a rude awakening at intermediate level is my opinion on it unless some of the players shake off that sense of entitlement about being senior players they seem to have and this opinion it will just automatically happen because of the good minor teams they had recently.

St Colmcilles will tell you the transition of these lads from minor to senior is not always a guarantee ."
interesting tweet doing the rounds on average time for a relegated Senior Club to get back up from intermediate in meath since (i think 1990) ...sobering to say the least for clubs who do fall

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 401 - 17/11/2021 14:34:10    2389764

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Replying To Ratoath Royal:  "As CastleBravo said, my point was more that you can't expect a talented minor team to make a serious impact at a high level of adult football within a couple of years, not denigrating our achievement at winning the intermediate in 2015. Our golden generation of minor players needed 3 years to make it out of the intermediate and another 4 years to win the Keegan Cup.
I believe that this is now Cilles' golden generation coming through and it will take time for them to make an impact at senior level. They'll be there or thereabouts within 5 years or so I'd wager."
A lot of that Ratoath minor team would of initially backboned the Junior A Winning team of 2012 so this would of been an ideal introduction to adult football quality and physicality wise .Once they went intermediate they were knocking on the door and won it out within 3 years, so if you map it out it was over a period of 10 years from 2010 gradually getting better and stronger and then they were lucky with other factors like quality of manager , Quality of training /Conditioning ,winning silverware keeps a lot of them interested , quality of other opposition teams during this era etc

However having brilliant underage teams is not guarantee of Senior Success, Donaghmore had a golden period in Minor that ultimately just fell short of the big one and I remember Dunderry had a brilliant 3 in a row U21 Div 1 team that looked like it could dominate for years to come but it was during Dunshaughlins Dominance so they couldnt make the breakthrough , likewise with Donaghmore who had with the great NOM team in their way

In saying this though I would be surprised if Cilles dont win a Senior Championship within 10 years

lagoreX (Meath) - Posts: 222 - 17/11/2021 22:05:31    2389804

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NOM to go down in 2022 put your mortgage on it

Head4TheBlackSpot (Meath) - Posts: 20 - 18/11/2021 12:37:57    2389856

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Replying To Head4TheBlackSpot:  "NOM to go down in 2022 put your mortgage on it"
Ruairi o Caoliean and Daragh smith back for o mahonys next year wouldn't be too confident putting the mortgage on it

Jpjohnny (Meath) - Posts: 13 - 18/11/2021 16:53:46    2389911

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Replying To Jpjohnny:  "Ruairi o Caoliean and Daragh smith back for o mahonys next year wouldn't be too confident putting the mortgage on it"
Wouldn't bet on ROC being back!!

ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 18/11/2021 17:28:17    2389913

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Replying To ASaminthehand:  "Wouldn't bet on ROC being back!!"
Fact

Northmeath1993 (Meath) - Posts: 51 - 18/11/2021 17:50:47    2389914

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Replying To Northmeath1993:  "Fact"
Just coming back on this! Ruairi obviously decided to stay in USA for 2022 along with Shane Finnegan! NOM would have loved to have had them both I have no doubt!

Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 511 - 04/10/2022 14:34:19    2442788

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Replying To Royalblufill:  "Just coming back on this! Ruairi obviously decided to stay in USA for 2022 along with Shane Finnegan! NOM would have loved to have had them both I have no doubt!"
I had heard last year that Ruairi was staying put - so not surprised! Hard to know how the relegation game will go! I think Senechalstown having won their first game have looked a little more competitive! Personally, I'd like to see O'Mahonys stay up but I don't think they will!!

ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 04/10/2022 14:55:20    2442790

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "interesting tweet doing the rounds on average time for a relegated Senior Club to get back up from intermediate in meath since (i think 1990) ...sobering to say the least for clubs who do fall"
Longwood man talking garbage again. O'Mahonys were relegated in 1999,bounced back in 2003 winning IFC. Also Blackhall got relegated in 2000 i think. They won IFC in 2002.

PatrickTopping (Meath) - Posts: 119 - 04/10/2022 19:50:36    2442821

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Replying To PatrickTopping:  "Longwood man talking garbage again. O'Mahonys were relegated in 1999,bounced back in 2003 winning IFC. Also Blackhall got relegated in 2000 i think. They won IFC in 2002."
jazuz Patrick...steady on...i said average....you do know there are always exceptions to the average dont you?....so i didnt say that the tweet said that No Team had done it...i said the tweet said the average time it took was ...X
In that regard....Dunshaughln could also buck that average trend

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 401 - 05/10/2022 17:15:29    2442912

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Tough game to call I think it might come down to what team will be effected more by the suspension of their players Brian Maguire or Dougie Dillon

Jpjohnny (Meath) - Posts: 13 - 05/10/2022 18:32:44    2442921

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Only one goes down?
Oh! In Monaghan - they'd both be gone.
Keeps everybody on their toes...

GerryD (Monaghan) - Posts: 336 - 13/10/2022 13:12:00    2443836

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "jazuz Patrick...steady on...i said average....you do know there are always exceptions to the average dont you?....so i didnt say that the tweet said that No Team had done it...i said the tweet said the average time it took was ...X
In that regard....Dunshaughln could also buck that average trend"
Blackhall Gaels went straight back up to Senior winning the Intermediate Championship in 2001 after been relegated in 2000.

Meathball (Meath) - Posts: 140 - 13/10/2022 15:23:21    2443859

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I see St Pats Navan played today. 20 players used and none of them from Navan O'Mahony's or Simonstown. That is unbelievable to me. I know that Navan have what should be a very good minor team next year. But they're in intermediate next year and probs won't be close to favourites. What has happened the production line of the 2 Navan clubs?

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 26/10/2022 17:18:17    2445542

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