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Replying To Talking_Sense:  "Dunshaughlin had some great performers on the day, Gray, Kinsella and McDonagh especially. Colmcilles we're away to open at the back Especially in the first half and did not make use of the spare man at all. Dunshaughlin really crowded the central area at the back whilst Cilles kept running up the middle and played entire first half with no width.

Goals win matches and in opening half Dunshaughlin got got two great goals but aided by some very poor defending. Cilles were chasing the game for long periods thereafter and whilst they put up a bold show they just could not get it back level. Credit Dunshaughlin for performance but have to question the tactical setup of the Cilles or lack off."
When a really good team like that Cilles team loses In a final there are always going to be questions asked about why they lost and that mistakes made won't be repeated.
One big question the Cilles club themselves have to answer is, was it the smart thing to do get rid of this teams coach and management team all the way up from under 8 to be replaced by new management this year who really had nothing like the connection Jude Mc Nabb and his staff had? It wasn't easy I know as Jude was also involved with another club's senior team.
If they were installed to have the team play better football than the level Jude had them at or for their tactical prowess, then it failed on the day of the final.
Cilles showed their full hand in the dead rubber group game in Dunshaughlin which they won by 15 points. The talk after that game and the Cilles big semi final over Dunboyne was that there was no stopping the Cilles. I would think Jude would (restrictions or not) have staked out the Dunshaughlin/ Summerhill semi final match to see if Dunshaughlin were doing anything different.
But sometimes it is hard on the line to change things when things are not working out and to get that message across.
Cilles still had fantastic players throughout the field and have great hope for the future, the 2nd goal they scored by Christian Finlay will go down as among the best scored in Pairc Tailteann this year.
As for Dunshaughlin they played some fantastic passages of football and although having a tough 3rd quarter, surprised a lot of people, as the three players who came off the bench played really well. It was Colmcilles who many considered had the strongest bench. It was a complete team effort where everyone seemed to know what their role was and what to do. Dunshaughlin should be delighted with their performance in capturing the Minor Championship for only the 2nd time.
It was probably more
Both teams should be commended on the spirit the game was played in and it was a great advertisement for the work been done at Juvenile level in Meath.

Meathball (Meath) - Posts: 28 - 28/09/2020 12:43:29    2294498

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Replying To Meathball:  "When a really good team like that Cilles team loses In a final there are always going to be questions asked about why they lost and that mistakes made won't be repeated.
One big question the Cilles club themselves have to answer is, was it the smart thing to do get rid of this teams coach and management team all the way up from under 8 to be replaced by new management this year who really had nothing like the connection Jude Mc Nabb and his staff had? It wasn't easy I know as Jude was also involved with another club's senior team.
If they were installed to have the team play better football than the level Jude had them at or for their tactical prowess, then it failed on the day of the final.
Cilles showed their full hand in the dead rubber group game in Dunshaughlin which they won by 15 points. The talk after that game and the Cilles big semi final over Dunboyne was that there was no stopping the Cilles. I would think Jude would (restrictions or not) have staked out the Dunshaughlin/ Summerhill semi final match to see if Dunshaughlin were doing anything different.
But sometimes it is hard on the line to change things when things are not working out and to get that message across.
Cilles still had fantastic players throughout the field and have great hope for the future, the 2nd goal they scored by Christian Finlay will go down as among the best scored in Pairc Tailteann this year.
As for Dunshaughlin they played some fantastic passages of football and although having a tough 3rd quarter, surprised a lot of people, as the three players who came off the bench played really well. It was Colmcilles who many considered had the strongest bench. It was a complete team effort where everyone seemed to know what their role was and what to do. Dunshaughlin should be delighted with their performance in capturing the Minor Championship for only the 2nd time.
It was probably more
Both teams should be commended on the spirit the game was played in and it was a great advertisement for the work been done at Juvenile level in Meath."
I'm not sure that Colmcilles would have won if McNabb was still at the helm but I do think the game would have been closer if he was there. Tactically, that Colmcilles team have been ahead of most in the county over the last few years. Dunshaughlin have improved leaps and bounds over the last 3 years or so though and are the rightful champions. They have a really good mix of power and skill and no doubt several will feature for their seniors in the next few years.

round_ball_99 (Meath) - Posts: 15 - 28/09/2020 14:01:23    2294521

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Replying To Maestro:  "Well if thats as good as minor team you have seen and they cant even win the minor championship, (bet easily by 7 points as well) what does that make Dunshaughlin?"
Both teams are a good step above any of the last 4 from last years' 2019 minor championship or the year before (I know cilles were one of the last 4 in 2019 but some different personel this year). This years' Colmcilles minor team have been the team to beat since u12 and have played super football any time I seen them. This year's Dunshaughlin minor team have surpassed them though and are the deserving county champions. I also think that this crop of Dunshaughlin minors would beat the minor champions from most other counties in Ireland, they are that good.

round_ball_99 (Meath) - Posts: 15 - 28/09/2020 14:19:22    2294526

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Replying To Meathball:  "When a really good team like that Cilles team loses In a final there are always going to be questions asked about why they lost and that mistakes made won't be repeated.
One big question the Cilles club themselves have to answer is, was it the smart thing to do get rid of this teams coach and management team all the way up from under 8 to be replaced by new management this year who really had nothing like the connection Jude Mc Nabb and his staff had? It wasn't easy I know as Jude was also involved with another club's senior team.
If they were installed to have the team play better football than the level Jude had them at or for their tactical prowess, then it failed on the day of the final.
Cilles showed their full hand in the dead rubber group game in Dunshaughlin which they won by 15 points. The talk after that game and the Cilles big semi final over Dunboyne was that there was no stopping the Cilles. I would think Jude would (restrictions or not) have staked out the Dunshaughlin/ Summerhill semi final match to see if Dunshaughlin were doing anything different.
But sometimes it is hard on the line to change things when things are not working out and to get that message across.
Cilles still had fantastic players throughout the field and have great hope for the future, the 2nd goal they scored by Christian Finlay will go down as among the best scored in Pairc Tailteann this year.
As for Dunshaughlin they played some fantastic passages of football and although having a tough 3rd quarter, surprised a lot of people, as the three players who came off the bench played really well. It was Colmcilles who many considered had the strongest bench. It was a complete team effort where everyone seemed to know what their role was and what to do. Dunshaughlin should be delighted with their performance in capturing the Minor Championship for only the 2nd time.
It was probably more
Both teams should be commended on the spirit the game was played in and it was a great advertisement for the work been done at Juvenile level in Meath."
Dunshaughlin backed up the U16 final win from last year when they won by 12 points when Jude and his band of merry men were over the Cilles.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 765 - 28/09/2020 14:30:39    2294531

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Replying To jackhackett:  "Dunshaughlin backed up the U16 final win from last year when they won by 12 points when Jude and his band of merry men were over the Cilles."
Jude and his merry men who happened to win everything all the way up at that level, new management took over a team in a vital year, a team already well coached and drilled by mcnabb, with the coaching the kids already had it probably would've been easier to win than lose, cilles were tactically inefficient yesterday and no mistakes were corrected on the pitch, the two goals were identical, good management wouldn't have allowed it to happen again 2 minutes later

Buffeganisamuppet (Meath) - Posts: 4 - 28/09/2020 15:22:49    2294549

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Replying To Buffeganisamuppet:  "Jude and his merry men who happened to win everything all the way up at that level, new management took over a team in a vital year, a team already well coached and drilled by mcnabb, with the coaching the kids already had it probably would've been easier to win than lose, cilles were tactically inefficient yesterday and no mistakes were corrected on the pitch, the two goals were identical, good management wouldn't have allowed it to happen again 2 minutes later"
Not knowing the politics now but I have to say taking Jude McNabb of that Minor team was mad stuff . I said it before, McNabb use to have that team playing scintillating football, and setting standards we just never seen in Meath at underage before. I mean their team play and movement use to be off the charts. My club suffered heavily playing that team. But you could only admire how they went about their business both on the pitch and on sideline. Everything they did you could see was superbly coached. Yesterday was very disjointed up front, no width and too much individualism, to much hard running, especially into the tackle. Defensively Cilles were poor especially 1st half and full back line very exposed.

Just goes to show the difference changing the Coach makes and it backfired in major way for the Cilles

Talking_Sense (Meath) - Posts: 209 - 28/09/2020 18:36:24    2294602

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Replying To Talking_Sense:  "Not knowing the politics now but I have to say taking Jude McNabb of that Minor team was mad stuff . I said it before, McNabb use to have that team playing scintillating football, and setting standards we just never seen in Meath at underage before. I mean their team play and movement use to be off the charts. My club suffered heavily playing that team. But you could only admire how they went about their business both on the pitch and on sideline. Everything they did you could see was superbly coached. Yesterday was very disjointed up front, no width and too much individualism, to much hard running, especially into the tackle. Defensively Cilles were poor especially 1st half and full back line very exposed.

Just goes to show the difference changing the Coach makes and it backfired in major way for the Cilles"
Colmcilles loss was Simonstown's gain.....

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1338 - 29/09/2020 14:27:53    2294742

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Replying To round_ball_99:  "Both teams are a good step above any of the last 4 from last years' 2019 minor championship or the year before (I know cilles were one of the last 4 in 2019 but some different personel this year). This years' Colmcilles minor team have been the team to beat since u12 and have played super football any time I seen them. This year's Dunshaughlin minor team have surpassed them though and are the deserving county champions. I also think that this crop of Dunshaughlin minors would beat the minor champions from most other counties in Ireland, they are that good."
Just before you get too carried away Burren from Down beat then by 13/14 points only a few weeks ago, full team before you ask

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1338 - 29/09/2020 14:29:11    2294743

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Replying To Analyst:  "Just before you get too carried away Burren from Down beat then by 13/14 points only a few weeks ago, full team before you ask"
I actually wasn't playing that game was out sick and few others were missing as well so we didn't have a full team. We also didn't use sweeper system back then and we are much better set up now definitely think wed have a good chance against them if we played them now.

FurseyBlake (Meath) - Posts: 1 - 29/09/2020 16:45:11    2294767

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Replying To Analyst:  "Colmcilles loss was Simonstown's gain....."
You think
How are Simonstown getting on???

head4dblackspot (Meath) - Posts: 447 - 29/09/2020 18:11:16    2294782

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Replying To Analyst:  "Just before you get too carried away Burren from Down beat then by 13/14 points only a few weeks ago, full team before you ask"
That's just my opinion, simple as that. I started off at Mostrim and finished at O'Mahonys via Bunbrosna GAA so no skin in this one. Burren won their minor championship final by 4-18 to 0-05 so clearly another exceptional side. I felt that this dunshaughlin minor team stuggled with over aggression at times last year when I saw them but it looks like they have controlled that well since. They are as good a minor team I have seen in my time (for what that's worth!).

round_ball_99 (Meath) - Posts: 15 - 30/09/2020 09:44:20    2294840

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Replying To round_ball_99:  "That's just my opinion, simple as that. I started off at Mostrim and finished at O'Mahonys via Bunbrosna GAA so no skin in this one. Burren won their minor championship final by 4-18 to 0-05 so clearly another exceptional side. I felt that this dunshaughlin minor team stuggled with over aggression at times last year when I saw them but it looks like they have controlled that well since. They are as good a minor team I have seen in my time (for what that's worth!)."
Great that there is so much discussion after Sunday's game. If it was 2 poor teams there would be no chat at all, well done both teams.

RaHarp (Meath) - Posts: 8 - 30/09/2020 10:45:31    2294850

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Replying To FurseyBlake:  "I actually wasn't playing that game was out sick and few others were missing as well so we didn't have a full team. We also didn't use sweeper system back then and we are much better set up now definitely think wed have a good chance against them if we played them now."
Congrats on the win. Great performance from you and the lads. Good to see so many of the county panelists perform so well in a final.

bearindsquare (Meath) - Posts: 47 - 30/09/2020 11:11:44    2294858

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Replying To bearindsquare:  "Congrats on the win. Great performance from you and the lads. Good to see so many of the county panelists perform so well in a final."
Super performance. Congrats!

Meath2020 (Meath) - Posts: 6 - 30/09/2020 14:20:37    2294892

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Replying To Talking_Sense:  "Not knowing the politics now but I have to say taking Jude McNabb of that Minor team was mad stuff . I said it before, McNabb use to have that team playing scintillating football, and setting standards we just never seen in Meath at underage before. I mean their team play and movement use to be off the charts. My club suffered heavily playing that team. But you could only admire how they went about their business both on the pitch and on sideline. Everything they did you could see was superbly coached. Yesterday was very disjointed up front, no width and too much individualism, to much hard running, especially into the tackle. Defensively Cilles were poor especially 1st half and full back line very exposed.

Just goes to show the difference changing the Coach makes and it backfired in major way for the Cilles"
Hard to say that. Watched that semi-final and they looked very, very sharp then. And don't forget Dunshauglin beat the Cilles well the last time they met at U16 with that old management team.

Meath2020 (Meath) - Posts: 6 - 30/09/2020 14:24:50    2294894

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Replying To Meathball:  "When a really good team like that Cilles team loses In a final there are always going to be questions asked about why they lost and that mistakes made won't be repeated.
One big question the Cilles club themselves have to answer is, was it the smart thing to do get rid of this teams coach and management team all the way up from under 8 to be replaced by new management this year who really had nothing like the connection Jude Mc Nabb and his staff had? It wasn't easy I know as Jude was also involved with another club's senior team.
If they were installed to have the team play better football than the level Jude had them at or for their tactical prowess, then it failed on the day of the final.
Cilles showed their full hand in the dead rubber group game in Dunshaughlin which they won by 15 points. The talk after that game and the Cilles big semi final over Dunboyne was that there was no stopping the Cilles. I would think Jude would (restrictions or not) have staked out the Dunshaughlin/ Summerhill semi final match to see if Dunshaughlin were doing anything different.
But sometimes it is hard on the line to change things when things are not working out and to get that message across.
Cilles still had fantastic players throughout the field and have great hope for the future, the 2nd goal they scored by Christian Finlay will go down as among the best scored in Pairc Tailteann this year.
As for Dunshaughlin they played some fantastic passages of football and although having a tough 3rd quarter, surprised a lot of people, as the three players who came off the bench played really well. It was Colmcilles who many considered had the strongest bench. It was a complete team effort where everyone seemed to know what their role was and what to do. Dunshaughlin should be delighted with their performance in capturing the Minor Championship for only the 2nd time.
It was probably more
Both teams should be commended on the spirit the game was played in and it was a great advertisement for the work been done at Juvenile level in Meath."
I thought it was a great game as a 'neutral' . Watched final and the semi final on the streams. As you say Cilles looked unstoppable after the semi but they did not look the same team at all in final (but apparently they had a few big injuries before the game - notably young Stafford in midfield.) Still Dunshaughlin were full value for the win. No doubt Cilles will be analysing what went 'wrong'. Different management team?? Hard to say that. Dunshaughlin put it over the old management team too at u16. Don't know why they changed coaches but I have no doubt there was a reason. Surely you couldn't be on Simonstown seniors and another minor team at the same time. If Jude McNabb was that connected with this bunch then why would he throw his lot in with another club?

Meath2020 (Meath) - Posts: 6 - 30/09/2020 14:40:23    2294895

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Replying To Meath2020:  "I thought it was a great game as a 'neutral' . Watched final and the semi final on the streams. As you say Cilles looked unstoppable after the semi but they did not look the same team at all in final (but apparently they had a few big injuries before the game - notably young Stafford in midfield.) Still Dunshaughlin were full value for the win. No doubt Cilles will be analysing what went 'wrong'. Different management team?? Hard to say that. Dunshaughlin put it over the old management team too at u16. Don't know why they changed coaches but I have no doubt there was a reason. Surely you couldn't be on Simonstown seniors and another minor team at the same time. If Jude McNabb was that connected with this bunch then why would he throw his lot in with another club?"
I am guessing that the Senior job with Simonstown ranked higher in his mind than the job with the Minors in Cilles.

Agree with you - it was a great game - two really good sides - the challenge now will be to see if they can bring any of them through.

Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 285 - 30/09/2020 15:21:20    2294907

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Replying To FurseyBlake:  "I actually wasn't playing that game was out sick and few others were missing as well so we didn't have a full team. We also didn't use sweeper system back then and we are much better set up now definitely think wed have a good chance against them if we played them now."
Well Fursey, did you get the nod to start Saturday?

bearindsquare (Meath) - Posts: 47 - 15/10/2020 14:10:19    2297783

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