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@StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 2175 - 05/10/2026 16:42:58
Maybe two mixed-Prov Groups of 5 is best:
- Start with Muns 5 & Lein 8 KO
- 'Top 7' ranked earn group byes; 'Other 6' to Playoff KO
- 2 mixed groups of 5 (A & B, 10 teams after Playoff KO)
- Split Muns teams evenly between groups (likely 2-3)
- Round robin groups (4 games per team)
- ALL teams with >3 pts advance to AIC KO
- AIC QF bye teams (variable, most pts in either group)
- Target inter-group ties in AIC KO to avoid repeat (if able)
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3583 - 06/10/2026 19:00:09
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Replying To StoreysTash: "If ever there was a worse idea (except the no-jeopardy Wexford champ of last year) than this 2-group Leinster championship, this one takes the biscuit.
While Munster have a cut-throat, kill and be killed championship Leinster have a "let everybody take part", risk-free alternative which is leaving none of the Leinster counties fit for battle when we play them.
The same is happening at underage and Leinster counties are falling further and further behind. The underage structures make no sense either.
Its crazy that Leinster is allowing ourselves to be the development guinea pig for hurling. Whether or not there are more Leinster counties is neither here nor there.
The Leinster championship was weak this year already, this will weaken it further.
Its time to seperate provincial hurling from Liam McCarthy and open up underage championship to ensure the counties don't just play the same 4-5 counties year on year.
The slide in Leinster is alarming and its partly our own fault but we're trying to sit between two stools - promoting hurling and winning things - and we're all losing out.
At some point, Willie Maher and his team need to be asked is developing hurling solely the job of Leinster counties? While Munster counties hoover up All-Irelands at underage and adult levels." Very well put. This change makes no sense at all. The league is there for developing teams.
brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 510 - 07/10/2026 16:53:10
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To add a bit of jeopardy to Lein SHC proposal:
After 3 games per team, assume table positions are:
Group 1: Teams 1,2,3,4
Group 2: Teams 5,6,7,8
Group McD: Teams 9,10,11,12
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Eliminated: Team 4
Lein QF: Team 6 hosts Team 3
Lein SFs: Team 1 hosts (6/5) and Team 2 hosts (3/5)
McD SFs: Team 7 hosts Team 10; Team 9 hosts Team 8
McD Relegation Final: Team 11 hosts Team 12
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omahant (USA) - Posts: 3583 - 07/10/2026 19:41:12
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I would like to know is there anyone on here who actually supports the idea
I think it's an awful idea and it seems most other people do too
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1566 - 07/10/2026 20:30:42
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The hurling league had no jeopardy and has only been fixed in recent years. Leinster is now taking on a low jeopardy lose 3 games and you are through to a Leinster quarter final.
The Joe Mac final had a lot on the line. The Joe Mac final has been devalued. Madness.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 10086 - 07/10/2026 21:02:38
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Replying To zinny: "This is a typical Hurling community response to a problem that has existed since the foundationof the GAA. They believe they have the best sport in the world but cannot understand why more people don't play it. The answer must be the fact that the weaker counties, are only weaker because they don't get to play inter County hurling at the top level. Has anyone ever presented evidence to show that Hurling is growing in these countries that would support lifting these counties out of current status? As much as I may have different views with Liam Griffin at least he understands the numbers game at underage. Hurling like Rugby used to think the hard man image was a way to promote the game, while not seeing the world change in front of them. Yet today we still see people with the same attitudes not understanding that the very virtues they prompte are whats killing the game." Ive never played hurling and i think its the best game in the world,and i like many different sports.
I tried to start hurling at 14 but simply couldn't get the hang of it,even the basics took ages to master.
In order to create a hurling culture you need to have youngsters playing it regularly at a decent level from a young age and that takes alot of encouragement, time and effort,three things that are absent in areas where hurling is traditionally weak.
Add to that the fact that hurling in these areas will be competing against sports that have more promotion via sky etc, are easier to play, and can potentially offer a professional career,and there will unfortunately only be one winner.
Nothing at all to do with any so called hard man image.
Seniorleague (Galway) - Posts: 365 - 07/10/2026 21:32:43
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I really do try to be positive (honestly) but this is pretty bad.
Form a Galway point of view, the only difference between winning 3 games and losing 3 games is one extra game before a leinster semi final. The first 3 games of the year are glorified challenge games with no jeopardy at all. For example, we could lose to KK, Dublin and Offaly, then beat Laois and be at the same stage as KK who won all their games.
Apparently there is a yo-yo 'Problem'. So the solution is to shuffle things upward and make Wexford and Offaly the yo-yo teams (Apologies wexford and offaly fans, just basing it on the most likely imo.)
A lot of momentum for this seems based off of kildare putting in a few decent performances this year. So the solution to their relegation is to make it next to impossible for them to ever get a game against Galway or Kilkenny- Or if they do it will be because they are at a very low ebb having been relegated.
What's basically happening is Leinster will be shrunk and Joe Mcdonagh has become 'group 2' and the now Joe mcdonagh is a 3 game semi final and final with no incentive to win the final.
it's pretty similar to the Leinster u20 the last few years which as a Galway supporter i barely watch until the semi final. You'll be there either way so what does it matter.
Meanwhile Munster counties will play 4 high quality games and hockey the living you know what out of the 3rd (and sometimes second) place leinster team. All the existing gaps are going to grow as a result of this. It's complete change for the sake of change
Overdahill (Galway) - Posts: 153 - 08/10/2026 09:53:53
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Replying To Overdahill: "I really do try to be positive (honestly) but this is pretty bad.
Form a Galway point of view, the only difference between winning 3 games and losing 3 games is one extra game before a leinster semi final. The first 3 games of the year are glorified challenge games with no jeopardy at all. For example, we could lose to KK, Dublin and Offaly, then beat Laois and be at the same stage as KK who won all their games.
Apparently there is a yo-yo 'Problem'. So the solution is to shuffle things upward and make Wexford and Offaly the yo-yo teams (Apologies wexford and offaly fans, just basing it on the most likely imo.)
A lot of momentum for this seems based off of kildare putting in a few decent performances this year. So the solution to their relegation is to make it next to impossible for them to ever get a game against Galway or Kilkenny- Or if they do it will be because they are at a very low ebb having been relegated.
What's basically happening is Leinster will be shrunk and Joe Mcdonagh has become 'group 2' and the now Joe mcdonagh is a 3 game semi final and final with no incentive to win the final.
it's pretty similar to the Leinster u20 the last few years which as a Galway supporter i barely watch until the semi final. You'll be there either way so what does it matter.
Meanwhile Munster counties will play 4 high quality games and hockey the living you know what out of the 3rd (and sometimes second) place leinster team. All the existing gaps are going to grow as a result of this. It's complete change for the sake of change" There have been two problems with Leinster in recent years
1. The teams haven't been good enough
2. There's a clear top 5 and whoever comes up goes straight back down
This proposal stops the 6th best team yo-yoing although as you said, there is now yo-yoing between 4th and 5th (Tbf, it's not quite the same as both teams can still win Leinster from the second group in theory)
However, it doesn't do anything to make the teams better and if anything, it makes the quality level worse
People are saying it brings jeopardy into Leinster because there are now knockout games
But there already is jeopardy under the current structure, it's just that the teams haven't been good enough!
Munster doesn't need knockout games and there's plenty of jeopardy in their group stages, it's all down to quality
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1566 - 08/10/2026 11:04:28
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