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Replying To tirawleybaron: "You missed my point.
if its so important and to be cherished - why cant is stand alone. If its as important as you say - why does it need to be tied to the All Ireland - creating an imbalance in seeding and structure for the whole season" Because that's what has always made it so important. You say that I missed your point???
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 222 - 22/04/2026 22:08:15
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Replying To JimB1991: "Its not winning Connaught that really matters to Mayo its beating their local rivals who are of a similar level. Take a scenario for example were Galway have an injury crisis or a bug in the camp and Leitrim shock them, the winners of Mayo V Roscommon would have a big celebration on Sunday and barely raise a cheer after winning the final. It would be huge for Leitrim and no less huge without a path into an All Irelamd series they have no chance of making an impression on." Of course it matters to Mayo. Its not as if they win All Irelands.
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 222 - 22/04/2026 22:09:25
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Replying To Tadhg2020: "Because that's what has always made it so important. You say that I missed your point???" Just because you inherit a way of doing things, doesn't mean its the way things always should be done.
The Limerick view is not exactly un biased on this. If Limerick get a lucky draw they can get into the Sam Maguire competition by only beating div3 and 4 teams. That's the inherent problem.
Kerry used to have a July Munster final v Cork, then an Ireland semi final in August and All Ireland in September - 3 games, 3 months -All Ireland - could plan for it every year.
Now, Cork & Kerry - particularly if the Munster championship is seeded - will have a munster final tune up, then are seeded in last 16 of All Ireland, with a home draw. This year, Cork had to play relegated Limerick (now Div 4) and Tipp (div 4) to get seeded into last 16 of All Ireland.
Tyrone, are now facing an away trip (potentially all the way down in Tralee or Cork).
What part of the above can you not see as being unbalanced and inherently unfair?
Hurling used to give Galway and Antrim byes into the All Ireland semi finals - they finally admitted it was unfair and changed - its time football copped on also.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1762 - 23/04/2026 09:51:15
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Just because you inherit a way of doing things, doesn't mean its the way things always should be done.
The Limerick view is not exactly un biased on this. If Limerick get a lucky draw they can get into the Sam Maguire competition by only beating div3 and 4 teams. That's the inherent problem.
Kerry used to have a July Munster final v Cork, then an Ireland semi final in August and All Ireland in September - 3 games, 3 months -All Ireland - could plan for it every year.
Now, Cork & Kerry - particularly if the Munster championship is seeded - will have a munster final tune up, then are seeded in last 16 of All Ireland, with a home draw. This year, Cork had to play relegated Limerick (now Div 4) and Tipp (div 4) to get seeded into last 16 of All Ireland.
Tyrone, are now facing an away trip (potentially all the way down in Tralee or Cork).
What part of the above can you not see as being unbalanced and inherently unfair?
Hurling used to give Galway and Antrim byes into the All Ireland semi finals - they finally admitted it was unfair and changed - its time football copped on also." Short-term - 4 Provincial Champions and 4 highest NFL teams in Pot 1, home venue.
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Replying To JimB1991: "Its not winning Connaught that really matters to Mayo its beating their local rivals who are of a similar level. Take a scenario for example were Galway have an injury crisis or a bug in the camp and Leitrim shock them, the winners of Mayo V Roscommon would have a big celebration on Sunday and barely raise a cheer after winning the final. It would be huge for Leitrim and no less huge without a path into an All Irelamd series they have no chance of making an impression on." I'd love to see how provincial rivalries would look in a Championship that was say a 12 team league. I'd think the Galway Mayo game would be a big event each year still.
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The current football system obviously has some imbalance between provinces, but I notice it seems to be only posters from Mayo and Donegal who contend there should be separate and stand-alone provincial competitions first, before all the relevant teams begin a new All-Ireland series on an even keel. They also contend that the stand-alone provincial championships wouldn't lose any lustre or glory in such an arrangement.
Reason I mention the counties they come from (Mayo & Donegal) is I'm presuming that means they're not overly familiar with how camogie operates.
Several years ago, camogie made the sort of change that these posters say should happen in football. The Munster & Leinster Camogie Championships are now completely separate from the All-Ireland series. Whether you go out in the first round or win the provincial final at a cakewalk makes no difference to your starting point or standing the All-Ireland competition.
And so, when it comes to the provincial championships, nobody really cares anymore. It's seen as a "nice to win" and "gives us momentum for the real championship", but nobody loses too much sleep either if they don't win it.
What used to be a significant result - e.g. Wexford beating Kilkenny in a Leinster Final, or one of Cork and Tipperary beating the other in a Munster Final - now makes no real difference at all.
I'm sure that over time, the same would happen in football. The Connacht Senior Football Championship, for example, wouldn't have much more standing than the FBD League. It would be no more than a warm-up for the "real" thing.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3520 - 23/04/2026 10:56:26
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In a league based championship you'd get more matches between Provincial rivals if that is so special.
If the Provincial championships aren't valuable enough to stand on their own that just indicates that they aren't valuable enough.
Sometimes I wish only All Ireland competitions were scheduled at a central level.
Just a championship, say 2 groups of 8 moving on to a 6 team playoff, that is taking up 15 weeks in the year compared to the 27 being taken up by inter county currently.
Leave it to Provincial councils to run or not run their championship and when to run them.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4626 - 23/04/2026 10:57:48
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Replying To Pikeman96: "The current football system obviously has some imbalance between provinces, but I notice it seems to be only posters from Mayo and Donegal who contend there should be separate and stand-alone provincial competitions first, before all the relevant teams begin a new All-Ireland series on an even keel. They also contend that the stand-alone provincial championships wouldn't lose any lustre or glory in such an arrangement.
Reason I mention the counties they come from (Mayo & Donegal) is I'm presuming that means they're not overly familiar with how camogie operates.
Several years ago, camogie made the sort of change that these posters say should happen in football. The Munster & Leinster Camogie Championships are now completely separate from the All-Ireland series. Whether you go out in the first round or win the provincial final at a cakewalk makes no difference to your starting point or standing the All-Ireland competition.
And so, when it comes to the provincial championships, nobody really cares anymore. It's seen as a "nice to win" and "gives us momentum for the real championship", but nobody loses too much sleep either if they don't win it.
What used to be a significant result - e.g. Wexford beating Kilkenny in a Leinster Final, or one of Cork and Tipperary beating the other in a Munster Final - now makes no real difference at all.
I'm sure that over time, the same would happen in football. The Connacht Senior Football Championship, for example, wouldn't have much more standing than the FBD League. It would be no more than a warm-up for the "real" thing." 'Some imbalances between provinces' is a bit of an understatement.
I didn't say that the provincials wouldn't lose any lustre or glory, no system is perfect but there has to be a fairer way than the current system.
You may not realise this but for a lot of the very top teams the provincial championships are already seen as a 'nice to win' and 'stepping stone' to the all Ireland championship, been that way for years. To be honest even for a lot of the weaker counties the goal is to put in a good showing and not lose too badly to a Division 1 or 2 provinicial rival so any league momentum is maintained for the Tailtean cup. The provincial championship in the middle of the season I think is actually a barrier to development in that regard, a division 4 team could have a good league, take a demolarising thumping in the provincials, lose momentum and not perform in the Tailtean
Local rivalries will still endure and be an important part of a league based tiered all Ireland and even better it will be between local rivals who are actually competitive with each other.
JimB1991 (Donegal) - Posts: 152 - 23/04/2026 12:26:02
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Just because you inherit a way of doing things, doesn't mean its the way things always should be done.
The Limerick view is not exactly un biased on this. If Limerick get a lucky draw they can get into the Sam Maguire competition by only beating div3 and 4 teams. That's the inherent problem.
Kerry used to have a July Munster final v Cork, then an Ireland semi final in August and All Ireland in September - 3 games, 3 months -All Ireland - could plan for it every year.
Now, Cork & Kerry - particularly if the Munster championship is seeded - will have a munster final tune up, then are seeded in last 16 of All Ireland, with a home draw. This year, Cork had to play relegated Limerick (now Div 4) and Tipp (div 4) to get seeded into last 16 of All Ireland.
Tyrone, are now facing an away trip (potentially all the way down in Tralee or Cork).
What part of the above can you not see as being unbalanced and inherently unfair?
Hurling used to give Galway and Antrim byes into the All Ireland semi finals - they finally admitted it was unfair and changed - its time football copped on also." Firstly, while I may be originally from Limerick I currently live in Roscommon having lived in Dublin, Kerry, meath and Kildare along the way. My children are Rossies. They are heading to Castlebar on Sunday not just in hope of a win. The Connacht championship is very important to the Rossies. Having had similar discussions over the years with my friends and neighbours, not one of them believe that winning Connacht will have the same status if the link between the Provincial Championship and Sam is broken. Not one honest person would agree with that perspective.
As for me having a biased perspective, I should have as so should everyone. I want it to mean something should limerick ever win a Munster again just as it did for Clare and Tipp. It just wont if the GAA dilute its standing. Thats just a fact.
As for limerick getting a handy draw. You need to educate yourself. The Munster Football Championship is seeded. This greatly annoyed our senior footballers ( limerick voted for it against their wishes) but it is seeded none the less.
You can knock yourself out on this topic but the votes aren't there to bring in the change you want. The winning of a Provincial championship is the holy grail for most counties and they dont want that diminished in any way. It is also the cash cow of the Provincial Councils. They dont want that diminished either. Connacht are charging 35 euro for a child to sit in the stand on Sunday. Prunty says its to generate revenue through the only mechanism that's available to them(250k loss apparently). That shows that he believes there is interest. I dont think he would be doing that if there was no link between Connacht and Sam.
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Replying To Tadhg2020: "Firstly, while I may be originally from Limerick I currently live in Roscommon having lived in Dublin, Kerry, meath and Kildare along the way. My children are Rossies. They are heading to Castlebar on Sunday not just in hope of a win. The Connacht championship is very important to the Rossies. Having had similar discussions over the years with my friends and neighbours, not one of them believe that winning Connacht will have the same status if the link between the Provincial Championship and Sam is broken. Not one honest person would agree with that perspective.
As for me having a biased perspective, I should have as so should everyone. I want it to mean something should limerick ever win a Munster again just as it did for Clare and Tipp. It just wont if the GAA dilute its standing. Thats just a fact.
As for limerick getting a handy draw. You need to educate yourself. The Munster Football Championship is seeded. This greatly annoyed our senior footballers ( limerick voted for it against their wishes) but it is seeded none the less.
You can knock yourself out on this topic but the votes aren't there to bring in the change you want. The winning of a Provincial championship is the holy grail for most counties and they dont want that diminished in any way. It is also the cash cow of the Provincial Councils. They dont want that diminished either. Connacht are charging 35 euro for a child to sit in the stand on Sunday. Prunty says its to generate revenue through the only mechanism that's available to them(250k loss apparently). That shows that he believes there is interest. I dont think he would be doing that if there was no link between Connacht and Sam." "The Munster Football Championship is seeded."
I didn't think it was seeded this year. I know they voted to make it seeded but that this will only kick in from 2027? Was this year's Munster draw not an open draw and it just happened that Cork and Kerry were drawn on opposite sides?
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1827 - 23/04/2026 13:33:21
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Replying To Tadhg2020: "Firstly, while I may be originally from Limerick I currently live in Roscommon having lived in Dublin, Kerry, meath and Kildare along the way. My children are Rossies. They are heading to Castlebar on Sunday not just in hope of a win. The Connacht championship is very important to the Rossies. Having had similar discussions over the years with my friends and neighbours, not one of them believe that winning Connacht will have the same status if the link between the Provincial Championship and Sam is broken. Not one honest person would agree with that perspective.
As for me having a biased perspective, I should have as so should everyone. I want it to mean something should limerick ever win a Munster again just as it did for Clare and Tipp. It just wont if the GAA dilute its standing. Thats just a fact.
As for limerick getting a handy draw. You need to educate yourself. The Munster Football Championship is seeded. This greatly annoyed our senior footballers ( limerick voted for it against their wishes) but it is seeded none the less.
You can knock yourself out on this topic but the votes aren't there to bring in the change you want. The winning of a Provincial championship is the holy grail for most counties and they dont want that diminished in any way. It is also the cash cow of the Provincial Councils. They dont want that diminished either. Connacht are charging 35 euro for a child to sit in the stand on Sunday. Prunty says its to generate revenue through the only mechanism that's available to them(250k loss apparently). That shows that he believes there is interest. I dont think he would be doing that if there was no link between Connacht and Sam." Every team playing 7 rounds of well attended meaningful games would bring in way more revenue than any provinicial championship ever would, up to the GAA then to manage and distribute the finances equitably so thats not an argument if the GAA have their financial house in order, may be a little bit of administrative and finacial restructuring but shouldn't be a barrier to a more equal championship.
JimB1991 (Donegal) - Posts: 152 - 23/04/2026 13:39:06
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Replying To Tadhg2020: "Firstly, while I may be originally from Limerick I currently live in Roscommon having lived in Dublin, Kerry, meath and Kildare along the way. My children are Rossies. They are heading to Castlebar on Sunday not just in hope of a win. The Connacht championship is very important to the Rossies. Having had similar discussions over the years with my friends and neighbours, not one of them believe that winning Connacht will have the same status if the link between the Provincial Championship and Sam is broken. Not one honest person would agree with that perspective.
As for me having a biased perspective, I should have as so should everyone. I want it to mean something should limerick ever win a Munster again just as it did for Clare and Tipp. It just wont if the GAA dilute its standing. Thats just a fact.
As for limerick getting a handy draw. You need to educate yourself. The Munster Football Championship is seeded. This greatly annoyed our senior footballers ( limerick voted for it against their wishes) but it is seeded none the less.
You can knock yourself out on this topic but the votes aren't there to bring in the change you want. The winning of a Provincial championship is the holy grail for most counties and they dont want that diminished in any way. It is also the cash cow of the Provincial Councils. They dont want that diminished either. Connacht are charging 35 euro for a child to sit in the stand on Sunday. Prunty says its to generate revenue through the only mechanism that's available to them(250k loss apparently). That shows that he believes there is interest. I dont think he would be doing that if there was no link between Connacht and Sam." What if--
Provincials were played on a round robin basis?
Connacht 1 group of 5
Munster 1 of 6
Leinster a 5 and a 6
Ulster, add London and 2 groups of 5??
Top 2 Provincial Finals.
6 thirds to play a Prelim round, winners joining the other 12 plus last years TC winners in a knock out AI Championship..
Rest TC.
Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 499 - 23/04/2026 13:51:58
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Replying To JimB1991: " Replying To Pikeman96: "The current football system obviously has some imbalance between provinces, but I notice it seems to be only posters from Mayo and Donegal who contend there should be separate and stand-alone provincial competitions first, before all the relevant teams begin a new All-Ireland series on an even keel. They also contend that the stand-alone provincial championships wouldn't lose any lustre or glory in such an arrangement.
Reason I mention the counties they come from (Mayo & Donegal) is I'm presuming that means they're not overly familiar with how camogie operates.
Several years ago, camogie made the sort of change that these posters say should happen in football. The Munster & Leinster Camogie Championships are now completely separate from the All-Ireland series. Whether you go out in the first round or win the provincial final at a cakewalk makes no difference to your starting point or standing the All-Ireland competition.
And so, when it comes to the provincial championships, nobody really cares anymore. It's seen as a "nice to win" and "gives us momentum for the <u>real</u> championship", but nobody loses too much sleep either if they don't win it.
What used to be a significant result - e.g. Wexford beating Kilkenny in a Leinster Final, or one of Cork and Tipperary beating the other in a Munster Final - now makes no real difference at all.
I'm sure that over time, the same would happen in football. The Connacht Senior Football Championship, for example, wouldn't have much more standing than the FBD League. It would be no more than a warm-up for the "real" thing."</div>'Some imbalances between provinces' is a bit of an understatement.
I didn't say that the provincials wouldn't lose any lustre or glory, no system is perfect but there has to be a fairer way than the current system.
You may not realise this but for a lot of the very top teams the provincial championships are already seen as a 'nice to win' and 'stepping stone' to the all Ireland championship, been that way for years. To be honest even for a lot of the weaker counties the goal is to put in a good showing and not lose too badly to a Division 1 or 2 provinicial rival so any league momentum is maintained for the Tailtean cup. The provincial championship in the middle of the season I think is actually a barrier to development in that regard, a division 4 team could have a good league, take a demolarising thumping in the provincials, lose momentum and not perform in the Tailtean
Local rivalries will still endure and be an important part of a league based tiered all Ireland and even better it will be between local rivals who are actually competitive with each other." I reckon you're agreeing with me more than you realise. The common ground we have is: - Firstly, yes, just stating "some" imbalances between provinces is an understatement! - But more to the point - there'll always be intense local rivalries and any of one these rivals will always love to "get one over" on the other. - These local rivalries are most commonly played out in the provincial championships right now. - They'd be no less intense if played out in a completely separate All-Ireland Championship instead. However, I'd still contend that a completely separate All-Ireland series would eventually irreparably damage the provincial championships. Even if some already see them as just a "nice to win", they'd change from a "nice to win" that at least means something (better seeding/home advantage for All-Ireland knockout stages), to a "nice to win" that means nothing at all in the main competition. Just as has happened in camogie. And what would poor Connacht do as interest wanes in the provincials? Price of children's tickets would surely have to shoot up again!!
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3520 - 23/04/2026 14:00:57
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Replying To Tadhg2020: "Firstly, while I may be originally from Limerick I currently live in Roscommon having lived in Dublin, Kerry, meath and Kildare along the way. My children are Rossies. They are heading to Castlebar on Sunday not just in hope of a win. The Connacht championship is very important to the Rossies. Having had similar discussions over the years with my friends and neighbours, not one of them believe that winning Connacht will have the same status if the link between the Provincial Championship and Sam is broken. Not one honest person would agree with that perspective.
As for me having a biased perspective, I should have as so should everyone. I want it to mean something should limerick ever win a Munster again just as it did for Clare and Tipp. It just wont if the GAA dilute its standing. Thats just a fact.
As for limerick getting a handy draw. You need to educate yourself. The Munster Football Championship is seeded. This greatly annoyed our senior footballers ( limerick voted for it against their wishes) but it is seeded none the less.
You can knock yourself out on this topic but the votes aren't there to bring in the change you want. The winning of a Provincial championship is the holy grail for most counties and they dont want that diminished in any way. It is also the cash cow of the Provincial Councils. They dont want that diminished either. Connacht are charging 35 euro for a child to sit in the stand on Sunday. Prunty says its to generate revenue through the only mechanism that's available to them(250k loss apparently). That shows that he believes there is interest. I dont think he would be doing that if there was no link between Connacht and Sam." The holy grail suggests its the ultimate prize, so why would it need to feed into another competition. The ultimate prize is an all Ireland at your grade.
When you say the votes aren't there, didnt the proposal to remove the link in 2021 get over 50% of the vote just not the 60% needed. Think the GPA were in favour and believe players in some counties who voted against were in favour too but their voices got sidelined.
That propsal wasn't perfect either as it allowed division 3 and 4 winners into the Senior All Ireland, which makes no sense as you're reward for winning your division is likely a slaughtering in the All Ireland series.
The point is though you're making out the vast majority want to retain the link between the provincial and All Ireland and their is no appetite for a change in that but I don't think thats the case at all.
JimB1991 (Donegal) - Posts: 152 - 23/04/2026 14:08:52
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They should keep provincials as standalone competitions. Run them like cup competitions through the league but no bearing on All Ireland routem. When All Ireland championships starts all teams could start at the same time. Can't lose the provincials because of the loss of revenue and bragging rights.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8529 - 23/04/2026 14:22:03
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Replying To Pikeman96: " Replying To JimB1991: "[quote=Pikeman96: "The current football system obviously has some imbalance between provinces, but I notice it seems to be only posters from Mayo and Donegal who contend there should be separate and stand-alone provincial competitions first, before all the relevant teams begin a new All-Ireland series on an even keel. They also contend that the stand-alone provincial championships wouldn't lose any lustre or glory in such an arrangement.
Reason I mention the counties they come from (Mayo & Donegal) is I'm presuming that means they're not overly familiar with how camogie operates.
Several years ago, camogie made the sort of change that these posters say should happen in football. The Munster & Leinster Camogie Championships are now completely separate from the All-Ireland series. Whether you go out in the first round or win the provincial final at a cakewalk makes no difference to your starting point or standing the All-Ireland competition.
And so, when it comes to the provincial championships, nobody really cares anymore. It's seen as a "nice to win" and "gives us momentum for the <u>real</u> championship", but nobody loses too much sleep either if they don't win it.
What used to be a significant result - e.g. Wexford beating Kilkenny in a Leinster Final, or one of Cork and Tipperary beating the other in a Munster Final - now makes no real difference at all.
I'm sure that over time, the same would happen in football. The Connacht Senior Football Championship, for example, wouldn't have much more standing than the FBD League. It would be no more than a warm-up for the "real" thing."</div>'Some imbalances between provinces' is a bit of an understatement.
I didn't say that the provincials wouldn't lose any lustre or glory, no system is perfect but there has to be a fairer way than the current system.
You may not realise this but for a lot of the very top teams the provincial championships are already seen as a 'nice to win' and 'stepping stone' to the all Ireland championship, been that way for years. To be honest even for a lot of the weaker counties the goal is to put in a good showing and not lose too badly to a Division 1 or 2 provinicial rival so any league momentum is maintained for the Tailtean cup. The provincial championship in the middle of the season I think is actually a barrier to development in that regard, a division 4 team could have a good league, take a demolarising thumping in the provincials, lose momentum and not perform in the Tailtean
Local rivalries will still endure and be an important part of a league based tiered all Ireland and even better it will be between local rivals who are actually competitive with each other." I reckon you're agreeing with me more than you realise. The common ground we have is: - Firstly, yes, just stating "some" imbalances between provinces is an understatement! - But more to the point - there'll always be intense local rivalries and any of one these rivals will always love to "get one over" on the other. - These local rivalries are most commonly played out in the provincial championships right now. - They'd be no less intense if played out in a completely separate All-Ireland Championship instead. However, I'd still contend that a completely separate All-Ireland series would eventually irreparably damage the provincial championships. Even if some already see them as just a "nice to win", they'd change from a "nice to win" that at least means something (better seeding/home advantage for All-Ireland knockout stages), to a "nice to win" that means nothing at all in the main competition. Just as has happened in camogie. And what would poor Connacht do as interest wanes in the provincials? Price of children's tickets would surely have to shoot up again!!"]In the grand scheme of things, so what if the provincial championships are irreparably damaged and devalued, if the end result is a fairer more competitive and entertaining format overall and the local rivalries reamin intense?
JimB1991 (Donegal) - Posts: 152 - 23/04/2026 15:38:27
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Replying To JimB1991: "Every team playing 7 rounds of well attended meaningful games would bring in way more revenue than any provinicial championship ever would, up to the GAA then to manage and distribute the finances equitably so thats not an argument if the GAA have their financial house in order, may be a little bit of administrative and finacial restructuring but shouldn't be a barrier to a more equal championship." But that revenue would go to CP. Right now the Provincial boards have total control of their own competitions. They control the format and keep the money. Money is very important but control and status is just as important to the Provincial Board.
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 222 - 23/04/2026 16:25:23
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Replying To Seanfan: "What if--
Provincials were played on a round robin basis?
Connacht 1 group of 5
Munster 1 of 6
Leinster a 5 and a 6
Ulster, add London and 2 groups of 5??
Top 2 Provincial Finals.
6 thirds to play a Prelim round, winners joining the other 12 plus last years TC winners in a knock out AI Championship..
Rest TC." I , personally wouldnt have a problem with it.
I dont think it would fit into the current schedule though. Only 2 teams could come out of each province to make it work. In the current schedule.
I presume New York stay in Connacht?
The Rossies wouldnt want to lose that trip after the craic there a couple of weekends ago. Some lads i know are still recovering!
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 222 - 23/04/2026 16:29:56
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Replying To GreenandRed: "They should keep provincials as standalone competitions. Run them like cup competitions through the league but no bearing on All Ireland routem. When All Ireland championships starts all teams could start at the same time. Can't lose the provincials because of the loss of revenue and bragging rights." Then they become the McKenna Cup, Mc Gratg Cup etc. You can say they wont but we both know they will.
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 222 - 23/04/2026 16:32:13
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Replying To JimB1991: "The holy grail suggests its the ultimate prize, so why would it need to feed into another competition. The ultimate prize is an all Ireland at your grade.
When you say the votes aren't there, didnt the proposal to remove the link in 2021 get over 50% of the vote just not the 60% needed. Think the GPA were in favour and believe players in some counties who voted against were in favour too but their voices got sidelined.
That propsal wasn't perfect either as it allowed division 3 and 4 winners into the Senior All Ireland, which makes no sense as you're reward for winning your division is likely a slaughtering in the All Ireland series.
The point is though you're making out the vast majority want to retain the link between the provincial and All Ireland and their is no appetite for a change in that but I don't think thats the case at all." If you haven't won something in quite a while it becomes your main goal. Whether that is the holy grail or not is a matter of opinion. For most of the teams competing in Ulster it is their target. They know they wont win Sam but winning Ulster for Monaghan, for example, would be a big deal.
The same applied to Donegal for many a year too. Yes you are dreaming bigger atm but , who knows, an Ulster title or two maybe all you end up with at the end of the day. Afaik Donegal have the same amount of All Irelands as limerick do and Mayo have one more so I dont get this desire to diminish the provincial championships at all. Because no matter how you wish to dress it up that is precisely what you are talking about.
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 222 - 23/04/2026 16:38:14
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