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Replying To Commodore:  "100% agree, nobody should be forced to take a vaccine, it should always be optional.

I got the Covid jabs, I was aware of risks, but a few people in my neighbourhood died in quick succession in the first wave of Covid, including a friend of mine who had underlying health condition which he wasn't aware of. While I get people taking exception to it being forced upon them, I weighed up the options and opted to get it."
I got it too. It was a personal choice. Plus I needed to go to a Funeral and board a plane. I followed their rules.

SouthGalway (Galway) - Posts: 138 - 17/12/2025 14:41:24    2648683

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Replying To zinny:  "The most recent French one was the largest ever on Covid

Findings In this cohort study including 22.7 million vaccinated individuals and 5.9 million unvaccinated individuals, vaccinated individuals had a 74% lower risk of death from severe COVID-19 and no increased risk of all-cause mortality over a median follow-up of 45 months.

Given the vindictiveness of the current administration do you not think that if there was some sort of coverup around the vaccines that it would not be front and center. There has been zero attention focused on it by the administration and that is with a anti vaxer in charge."
Good post. I think they have to pick their fights carefully as the current administration has 3 years left and maybe only 1 year left if the midterms go wrong for them. Taking on Big Pharma would be far tougher than the old lawsuits against Big Tobacco due to Big Pharma does do some good things whereas Big Tobacco did nothing good for public health.

I'm skeptical of some of these studies as I don't know who funds them or who loses funding if the proper results aren't found. I do appreciate your attempt though.

SouthGalway (Galway) - Posts: 138 - 17/12/2025 14:48:47    2648684

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This might be a very simplistic way of viewing vaccines.

But what is the alternative? Dealing with horrible outbreaks of measles, mumps, flus and God knows what else?

I know a few anti-vaxxers locally who are never afraid to share their stance. But the same ones are over-weight smokers like.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 10165 - 17/12/2025 14:54:37    2648685

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "This might be a very simplistic way of viewing vaccines.

But what is the alternative? Dealing with horrible outbreaks of measles, mumps, flus and God knows what else?

I know a few anti-vaxxers locally who are never afraid to share their stance. But the same ones are over-weight smokers like."
People like that are irrelevant

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2630 - 17/12/2025 15:24:57    2648688

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Replying To Viking66:  "I'm not an anti vaxxer in geral. Far from it. I made sure all of my children got all of their vaccines. Just not the covid ones."
I wouldn't either

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1844 - 17/12/2025 15:28:10    2648691

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "This might be a very simplistic way of viewing vaccines.

But what is the alternative? Dealing with horrible outbreaks of measles, mumps, flus and God knows what else?

I know a few anti-vaxxers locally who are never afraid to share their stance. But the same ones are over-weight smokers like."
I'm personally not a so-called "anti-vaxxer", but I respect peoples choice to make that decision for themselves and I don't like labelling people based on their preference.

The Covid-19 vaccines were rushed to market because of the outbreak, and they weren't road tested in the normal way, so there was always going to be a level of risk to be considered. I can fully understand people having reservations about them. I opted to get them and that is my personal choice.

Outside of Covid jabs, I think each vaccine needs to be weighed up on their own merit, some of those are proven to be effective. Others are debatable.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1536 - 17/12/2025 22:11:30    2648726

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I think a bigger concern for Irish people is the amount of access that revenue have to people financial accounts at present.
I understand wanting to look for money laundering or illegal activity, but such behaviour is conducted by a tiny percentage of the population, maybe less than 1%. Yet they are monitoring everything, its like you would see in an old Soviet Union movie set during the Cold War.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1536 - 17/12/2025 22:17:57    2648727

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Rather amusing to listen to people now saying they took vaccines despite the risks.

99.9% took them because they were told to take them.

Those of us who didn't were barred from many public places, some lost jobs and we were attacked as dangers to public health and as extremists.

Just as minority who see through their lies always have been.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3878 - 17/12/2025 23:00:06    2648729

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Replying To Saynothing:  "The biggest crime was committed by the media who pushed and slammed down anyone who questioned it. I'm another one who regrets taking the first 3 vaccinations. Feeling wrecked with little energy on more days than I ever did and I blame in vaccine."
You couldn't mention any concern about the rapidly developed vaccines on here either back then or you'd get your head bitten off and be accused of being a conspiracy theorist by the same type of lefties who are still crying on this thread day in day out about something or other.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3607 - 17/12/2025 23:26:26    2648731

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Replying To Commodore:  "I think a bigger concern for Irish people is the amount of access that revenue have to people financial accounts at present.
I understand wanting to look for money laundering or illegal activity, but such behaviour is conducted by a tiny percentage of the population, maybe less than 1%. Yet they are monitoring everything, its like you would see in an old Soviet Union movie set during the Cold War."
If you are worried about that then you should be terrified of your phone. The social media companies know more about you and your personal details, which they trade for money, than the government. At least the government is some ways held accountable. Who is overseeing all the data that is being gathered on you through your phone on a daily basis?

FullOfPorter (Roscommon) - Posts: 518 - 18/12/2025 08:51:41    2648746

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Well each to their own.

But I know personally speaking, I was sick to the back teeth of "staying at home" and not being able to mix with family or friends. That wasn't living. If taking a jab or two meant things returning to normal then I was all for it.

Yes there was probably risk involved, because of the way it was rolled out so quickly. But getting in your car every day carries inherent risk too.

Lots of pseudo scientists (not here!) watched a few YouTube clips and suddenly became vaccine experts.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 10165 - 18/12/2025 09:41:04    2648748

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "You couldn't mention any concern about the rapidly developed vaccines on here either back then or you'd get your head bitten off and be accused of being a conspiracy theorist by the same type of lefties who are still crying on this thread day in day out about something or other."
Wasnt it the right wingers pushing the vaccines? FFG.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17830 - 18/12/2025 10:03:52    2648749

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Well each to their own.

But I know personally speaking, I was sick to the back teeth of "staying at home" and not being able to mix with family or friends. That wasn't living. If taking a jab or two meant things returning to normal then I was all for it.

Yes there was probably risk involved, because of the way it was rolled out so quickly. But getting in your car every day carries inherent risk too.

Lots of pseudo scientists (not here!) watched a few YouTube clips and suddenly became vaccine experts."
There's a few on here.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8682 - 18/12/2025 11:03:43    2648752

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Well each to their own.

But I know personally speaking, I was sick to the back teeth of "staying at home" and not being able to mix with family or friends. That wasn't living. If taking a jab or two meant things returning to normal then I was all for it.

Yes there was probably risk involved, because of the way it was rolled out so quickly. But getting in your car every day carries inherent risk too.

Lots of pseudo scientists (not here!) watched a few YouTube clips and suddenly became vaccine experts."
Has the thought not struck you that maybe the vaccines had not much to do with us being able to go out and mix more safely, except insofar as they provided a public wound up to the nines by social and mainstream media a comfort blanket when going out? By the time the vaccines were rolled out and we were back mixing a significant percentage of the population had already had covid.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17830 - 18/12/2025 11:11:21    2648753

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Replying To Viking66:  "Wasnt it the right wingers pushing the vaccines? FFG."
Most of those against vaccines were extreme right conspiracy theorists.
Did they ever hear of polio, smallpox, measles..... ?

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 280 - 18/12/2025 11:33:17    2648755

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Replying To Viking66:  "Wasnt it the right wingers pushing the vaccines? FFG."
Right and left are pretty meaningless these times!

My views have changed very little in almost 50 years but the Overton Window looks out of a "far rightist" now instead of a "commie."!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3878 - 18/12/2025 11:38:15    2648756

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Well each to their own.

But I know personally speaking, I was sick to the back teeth of "staying at home" and not being able to mix with family or friends. That wasn't living. If taking a jab or two meant things returning to normal then I was all for it.

Yes there was probably risk involved, because of the way it was rolled out so quickly. But getting in your car every day carries inherent risk too.

Lots of pseudo scientists (not here!) watched a few YouTube clips and suddenly became vaccine experts."
Stop I know a few people who watched YouTube and suddenly knew more than people who had spent their lives in scientific research. It's forgotten that the mRNA vaccines were not just plucked out of the air during COVID, they had been under develoment since the early 2000s. It looks like that technology could have huge potential in treating cancer in the future as well. If there is one positive thing that comes from COVID hopefully it is that increased R&D into mRNA vaccinces might some day lead to more effective cancer treatment or even a cure. That disease is unfortunately our modern day TB.

FullOfPorter (Roscommon) - Posts: 518 - 18/12/2025 11:47:32    2648757

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Replying To Viking66:  "Wasnt it the right wingers pushing the vaccines? FFG."
I don't know what FFG are anymore and I couldn't care less, SF are a lost cause,
far as I can see we are governed by Brussels anyway, what we have in the Dail are like a County Council of old. If they are not lefties they are for sure woke.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3607 - 18/12/2025 12:01:02    2648758

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Replying To FullOfPorter:  "If you are worried about that then you should be terrified of your phone. The social media companies know more about you and your personal details, which they trade for money, than the government. At least the government is some ways held accountable. Who is overseeing all the data that is being gathered on you through your phone on a daily basis?"
Data protection is definitely a big issue in its own right, the EU is probably one of the more stringent political entities on Data protection, but these companies are cute out.

Regarding the Revenue/KGB, I can understand them obtaining a court approval to monitor finances in cases where large scale crime or money laundering or tax evasion is suspected. But in Ireland they are now monitoring every bank acc and CU account, basically monitoring every penny paid in. Its too much, I suspect its being driven by senior civil servants in the Revenue, Its too much, people should have right to be presumed innocent and should be free to move cash once income tax is paid on it.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1536 - 18/12/2025 13:28:43    2648766

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Rather amusing to listen to people now saying they took vaccines despite the risks.

99.9% took them because they were told to take them.

Those of us who didn't were barred from many public places, some lost jobs and we were attacked as dangers to public health and as extremists.

Just as minority who see through their lies always have been."
Didn't thousands of healthy people die of Covid, I personally knew some who died- never sick before getting Covid but because it didn't affect you it was over played. All these amateur experts on vaccines living online knew way more than experts in the field who have studied this their whole adult lives. I work with an anti-vax religious guy who spent a month in ICU with a ' heavy flu' in his opinion who was lucky to survive. Wake up and just look at the facts and evidence staring you in the face but no conspiracy theorists know more than than the rest of us.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 927 - 18/12/2025 13:34:19    2648767

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