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Replying To alalalalalum:  "As a wise rugby man once said...'we lost, but we won'"
A lot of talk about Crowley v Prendergast, but a more pertinent question might be which of these two can ever become a shadow of the player that Sexton was. The answer increasingly seems to be neither. With an ordinary no10, this Irish side is starting to look increasingly average. It's looking like an opportune time right now to reinfuse our backline options with 3or4 new young southern hemisphere talents, because Bundee, Lowe and Gibson Park won't last forever either.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4489 - 23/11/2025 10:12:17    2645716

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "They negotiated in same way mouse negotiates with cobra. With the mouse being the cobra's pet.

All those informers in Belfast had game sown up before the ball was thrown in."
In fairness there were multiple reasons. Adams and others saw the potential of political struggle after the hunger strikes. Add to that PIRA was infiltrated to the highest levels. You also had conflict fatigue and a spate of attacks on ordinary Catholics in the early 90s by loyalists. You also had the realpolitik of the end of the Cold War. US tightening up on funds for separtist movements and determined to settle the conflict here. Less allies for republicans to deal with globally after the USSR gone. The likes of Gaddafi completely isolated. They could exit stage left and get something out of it or be ejected through the back door.

FullOfPorter (Roscommon) - Posts: 492 - 23/11/2025 10:31:10    2645718

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Replying To FullOfPorter:  "In fairness there were multiple reasons. Adams and others saw the potential of political struggle after the hunger strikes. Add to that PIRA was infiltrated to the highest levels. You also had conflict fatigue and a spate of attacks on ordinary Catholics in the early 90s by loyalists. You also had the realpolitik of the end of the Cold War. US tightening up on funds for separtist movements and determined to settle the conflict here. Less allies for republicans to deal with globally after the USSR gone. The likes of Gaddafi completely isolated. They could exit stage left and get something out of it or be ejected through the back door."
Even if the Brits keft the 6 Cos the Provos were never going to achieve a "32 County Socialist Republic" because most people in Ireland were/are opposed to such a mythical place.

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 243 - 23/11/2025 11:06:23    2645724

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Why did Ireland opt to play the world champions in their unfamiliar white kit and let South Africa play in their famous green jerseys. Didn't affect the result one iota but seems an odd decision.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 440 - 23/11/2025 11:15:26    2645725

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Replying To Seanfan:  "Even if the Brits keft the 6 Cos the Provos were never going to achieve a "32 County Socialist Republic" because most people in Ireland were/are opposed to such a mythical place."
A 32 county Republic is not a "mythical place." It was voted for by the Irish people in 1918. The socialist part was stuck on later, ironically by the same people who not only abandoned a 32 county republic, but also any pretence to be socialist!

Sinn Féin are a run of the mill centre left liberal part. They have at last found their true home along with Bacik and Cairns and Murphy. Pity they didn't spare their own people and everyone else all the wasted lives in deaths, prison, and so on before it was handed over to carpet baggers who never had anything to do with the movement when it was pursuing its sole objective of Irish unity.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3839 - 23/11/2025 11:53:00    2645731

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "A 32 county Republic is not a "mythical place." It was voted for by the Irish people in 1918. The socialist part was stuck on later, ironically by the same people who not only abandoned a 32 county republic, but also any pretence to be socialist!

Sinn Féin are a run of the mill centre left liberal part. They have at last found their true home along with Bacik and Cairns and Murphy. Pity they didn't spare their own people and everyone else all the wasted lives in deaths, prison, and so on before it was handed over to carpet baggers who never had anything to do with the movement when it was pursuing its sole objective of Irish unity."
In my opinion, SF are liberal Unionists who hate the responsibility of leadership, in Dublin or London.
They like to sue people. Is this the plan for the next 100 years? The likes of Martin McGuinness were decent
people in terms of political vision, but that was the past. I'm thrilled that the gun is out of Irish politics; that's huge, and I do appreciate the SF's role in this.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1771 - 23/11/2025 12:52:38    2645735

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "Why did Ireland opt to play the world champions in their unfamiliar white kit and let South Africa play in their famous green jerseys. Didn't affect the result one iota but seems an odd decision."
It's usually agreed by both teams beforehand. When we played them in South Africa last year, they changed for both tests and we wore green.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2642 - 23/11/2025 13:12:45    2645737

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Replying To Seanfan:  "Even if the Brits keft the 6 Cos the Provos were never going to achieve a "32 County Socialist Republic" because most people in Ireland were/are opposed to such a mythical place."
The vast majority of people in the six counties who vote Sinn Fein do so to get rid of the British presence and for re- unification, they couldn't give a monkeys about the " socialist" part, might be different in the 26.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 440 - 23/11/2025 13:33:17    2645741

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "Why did Ireland opt to play the world champions in their unfamiliar white kit and let South Africa play in their famous green jerseys. Didn't affect the result one iota but seems an odd decision."
Generally in rugby home team changes kit for some reason at least wasn't awful navy black they wore in recent games v SA

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1764 - 23/11/2025 14:30:04    2645746

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "An awful lot of whinging about the ref too. To my untutored eye the ref probably saved them from a tanking by holding up play. Ireland defence seemed to be equivalent of Junior B booting the ball up the field and hoping it wouldn't come back too soon.

Entertaining to watch all the same."
That has been Ireland's game for years, Conor Murray was lauded and all he seemed to do was drive the ball into the sky and they'd gain five yards and then do it all over again. Some people must like it. It is fairly tedious

alalalalalum (USA) - Posts: 112 - 23/11/2025 18:34:49    2645784

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Replying To alalalalalum:  "That has been Ireland's game for years, Conor Murray was lauded and all he seemed to do was drive the ball into the sky and they'd gain five yards and then do it all over again. Some people must like it. It is fairly tedious"
Lotta work - and new players - needed for the next WC.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1942 - 23/11/2025 18:58:52    2645790

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Replying To alalalalalum:  "That has been Ireland's game for years, Conor Murray was lauded and all he seemed to do was drive the ball into the sky and they'd gain five yards and then do it all over again. Some people must like it. It is fairly tedious"
Why watch it then? I watched alot less intercounty 1st Division and Sam Maguire Football for a few years for the same reason.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17612 - 23/11/2025 19:42:16    2645797

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Replying To Viking66:  "Why watch it then? I watched alot less intercounty 1st Division and Sam Maguire Football for a few years for the same reason."
Lots of people stopped watching hurling too, since throwing replaced proper handpassing, and since the steps rule is rarely applied, and fellas can usually overcarry for miles. Ground hurling disappeared with the Offaly side of the 90's, we we haven't seen a well executed drop shot since Pa O'Neill retired from KK no6.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4489 - 23/11/2025 20:58:38    2645811

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Lots of people stopped watching hurling too, since throwing replaced proper handpassing, and since the steps rule is rarely applied, and fellas can usually overcarry for miles. Ground hurling disappeared with the Offaly side of the 90's, we we haven't seen a well executed drop shot since Pa O'Neill retired from KK no6."
As in a drop shot into a team mates hand, or a long drop shot somewhere up the pitch? Adrian Fenlon was still very good off the ground in the noughties. But overall I personally far prefer watching most of the hurling games Im watching these days compared to most of the games I watched back in the 90s.
Up to people themselves what they want to watch, Ive friends who never enjoyed watching hurling and still dont now.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17612 - 23/11/2025 22:04:23    2645823

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "Why did Ireland opt to play the world champions in their unfamiliar white kit and let South Africa play in their famous green jerseys. Didn't affect the result one iota but seems an odd decision."
Because the regulations state the home team changes when there is a clash of colours. not odd at all.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3874 - 24/11/2025 11:00:29    2645861

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You'd have to wonder why Trump is so keen to have Ukraine completely sidelined from peace talks and where the aggressor and invading country is prioritised and emboldened to continue its attacks. Does he think that is the best way to draw Russia away from China? Seems to be an incredibly dangerous precendent he wants to set where the aggressor country is rewarded as the only one allowed to the negotiating table and also rewarded with territory they've grabbed and also areas they don't even occupy yet. Despite one of the major outcomes from WW2 being that a country cannot invade another and claim sovereignty, he is telling the international community to recognise the Donbass and Crimea as Russian. He then says Russia will give a guarantee to leave it at that. Why would Putin take that seriously and not go for further territory in 5 or ten years time? If you take this international precedent set by Trump and the US, Britain could legitimately if it wanted, invade part of the 26 counties, say this was its former territory and it wants to gain control of the economically prosperous eastern seaboard region. As it is militarily stronger that cannot be prevented, the "peace" negotiations involve Britain and the US or another third country and Ireland is told what the outcome will be and it has to surrender eastern counties under British occupation plus Cork and Waterford.

FullOfPorter (Roscommon) - Posts: 492 - 25/11/2025 13:33:52    2646017

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The long awaited has just arrived - a judicial review into the Metro Link - or portion of it. Another 3/5 yrs added on and at what extra cost ?

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1942 - 25/11/2025 15:01:08    2646032

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Replying To Freethinker:  "The long awaited has just arrived - a judicial review into the Metro Link - or portion of it. Another 3/5 yrs added on and at what extra cost ?"
Is there room enough for a light rail/tramline overground?
Airport to Broombridge perhaps?

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 243 - 25/11/2025 16:19:55    2646044

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Replying To Seanfan:  "Is there room enough for a light rail/tramline overground?
Airport to Broombridge perhaps?"
Wouldn't matter whether over or underground.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1942 - 25/11/2025 17:08:45    2646050

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Replying To Seanfan:  "Is there room enough for a light rail/tramline overground?
Airport to Broombridge perhaps?"
I often wondered that. JFK and Newark aren't linked to the NYC subway or New Jersey transit systems. Instead they have driverless air trains that run above ground to the nearest station. Passengers then get out and change over to the subway, Long Island railroad etc.

Was a feasibility study ever done to see if such a scenario was possible to the nearest dart/mainline rail station?

The problem in Ireland with mass transit is our population density is the lowest int he EU. That goes from one off houses down country lanes to Dublin City semi d land where everyone wanted a garden. Fly into Dublin and you notice compared to most cities that the density is very low with many green field sites.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11824 - 25/11/2025 17:47:53    2646053

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