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Replying To TheFlaker:  "It's telling you and the other lad are commenting on this but didn't have any interest in chatting about the Fox News case at the time?"
I was more taken interest as I like and listen to linekar a lot and he was treated completely hypocritically by bbc for speaking up on Gaza

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1737 - 11/11/2025 12:21:10    2643975

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "It's telling you and the other lad are commenting on this but didn't have any interest in chatting about the Fox News case at the time?"
Is it telling you and the other chap won't address the current news and revert to either digging up something that happened a few years previous? or just throwing shade on trump.

I just provide balance like I've been saying trump is wrong on lots like not releasing files or talking nonsense at NFL game Sunday evening trying to get Washington team stadium in his name

You can't address anything in where he's been wronged

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1737 - 11/11/2025 12:32:18    2643980

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "I still find it unbelievable that people think there is a god overseeing all that happens in the world. If there is then he is some craic."
I think we're left to our own devices but it's perfectly logical for there to be a God.

I don't think God is interested in Jonnie's leaving cert for example.

I can also understand why a compassionate person would question it. There's an awful lot of suffering in this world that seems pointless.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4021 - 11/11/2025 12:59:24    2643985

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "I don't find it unbelievable at all. It's no coincidence that cultures all over the world developed belief systems in a higher being, independently of each other, thousands and thousands of years ago.
It's simplistic to say that people would believe this means bad things shouldn't happen. In fact, it's to help deal with the trials, tribulations and tragedies of the world that the faith is relied upon.
There are many scientific studies which show that people with a stronger faith cope better with tough situations or tragedy than those with little or no belief in a higher being. From times in the past where families would lose very high percentages of their children as infants, and even basic survival was a challenge, you can see how people developed a belief system to help them cope.
Even if you were completely agnostic, you'd be better advising someone to have faith than not, if you wanted to give them a better chance of dealing with the challenges of life."
Brilliant post.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4021 - 11/11/2025 13:00:41    2643986

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "I still find it unbelievable that people think there is a god overseeing all that happens in the world. If there is then he is some craic."
He definitely seems to have it in for some countries alright.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2576 - 11/11/2025 13:25:17    2643992

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Replying To jm25:  "I was more taken interest as I like and listen to linekar a lot and he was treated completely hypocritically by bbc for speaking up on Gaza"
Totally agree.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8627 - 11/11/2025 13:27:52    2643993

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Replying To jm25:  "Is it telling you and the other chap won't address the current news and revert to either digging up something that happened a few years previous? or just throwing shade on trump.

I just provide balance like I've been saying trump is wrong on lots like not releasing files or talking nonsense at NFL game Sunday evening trying to get Washington team stadium in his name

You can't address anything in where he's been wronged"
I can. But where else has he been wronged? Like in reality not just him saying he has been ?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8627 - 11/11/2025 13:29:05    2643994

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "I don't find it unbelievable at all. It's no coincidence that cultures all over the world developed belief systems in a higher being, independently of each other, thousands and thousands of years ago.
It's simplistic to say that people would believe this means bad things shouldn't happen. In fact, it's to help deal with the trials, tribulations and tragedies of the world that the faith is relied upon.
There are many scientific studies which show that people with a stronger faith cope better with tough situations or tragedy than those with little or no belief in a higher being. From times in the past where families would lose very high percentages of their children as infants, and even basic survival was a challenge, you can see how people developed a belief system to help them cope.
Even if you were completely agnostic, you'd be better advising someone to have faith than not, if you wanted to give them a better chance of dealing with the challenges of life."
You can say it's good for people of faith to have beliefs in time of trouble. Also I would worry about a certain amount of the population finding out they can do whatever they want because there is no punishment. I get that. But it's such a handy excuse for religious people to say God has given us free will and isn't interested in showing himself or sending a warning. God is willing to watch from above while children starve, die from disease or even be abused even by members of the clergy? Some god. But we are also led to believe that God and Mary have appeared to people but not in recent history, also very convenient. God is testing us apparently. Some craic.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8627 - 11/11/2025 14:59:59    2644013

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "You can say it's good for people of faith to have beliefs in time of trouble. Also I would worry about a certain amount of the population finding out they can do whatever they want because there is no punishment. I get that. But it's such a handy excuse for religious people to say God has given us free will and isn't interested in showing himself or sending a warning. God is willing to watch from above while children starve, die from disease or even be abused even by members of the clergy? Some god. But we are also led to believe that God and Mary have appeared to people but not in recent history, also very convenient. God is testing us apparently. Some craic."
You're now focusing on specific religions and their various tenets. That has nothing to do with my answer.
Your original point was that you find it unbelievable that people can have belief in a higher power. I was stating why it shouldn't be hard to believe at all, why people would have such faith and the fact that it's actually beneficial to have it in dealing with life's challenges.
My argument isn't about whether there is or there isn't a higher power, but why there's nothing remotely surprising about why people would believe in it. It can be a huge help for people in trying to deal with life's issues. The belief in a greater power and an afterlife are core parts of all of these belief systems.
The fact that such beliefs originated long before organised religion, in every corner of the earth among very different cultures indicates that it's an innate part of human thinking.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2629 - 11/11/2025 16:18:10    2644026

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "You're now focusing on specific religions and their various tenets. That has nothing to do with my answer.
Your original point was that you find it unbelievable that people can have belief in a higher power. I was stating why it shouldn't be hard to believe at all, why people would have such faith and the fact that it's actually beneficial to have it in dealing with life's challenges.
My argument isn't about whether there is or there isn't a higher power, but why there's nothing remotely surprising about why people would believe in it. It can be a huge help for people in trying to deal with life's issues. The belief in a greater power and an afterlife are core parts of all of these belief systems.
The fact that such beliefs originated long before organised religion, in every corner of the earth among very different cultures indicates that it's an innate part of human thinking."
My original post had nothing to do with how religion is helpful to people and their lives. My post was saying if people actually thought about it and analysed it they would realise in reality how far fetched the whole idea is and how religions change their narrative to suit their agenda so that people still support them.

So that's my point, i am not debating the good and bad and the psychology of the human mind from person to person. My point is I believe it's absolutely ridiculous to actually accept a higher power let's dreadful things happen to children in particular and then it's passed off as his well.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8627 - 11/11/2025 17:23:30    2644037

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "This conversation has taken a turn. That depends on whether or not you believe Mary was born with original sin which is the essence of my point.

We are all sinners.

I don't agree with the second part. How many people do you know that don't do bad stuff?

Try as I might I'm committing at least one of the 7 deadly sins every week."
This was playing on my mind a bit so I had to reply.

Yes, I do believe that Mary was born without original sin, if she was born with original sin she couldn't have become the mother of her son Jesus.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3297 - 11/11/2025 19:14:20    2644053

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