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Replying To Viking66:  "Do you stand for the National anthem?"
Not for free I'd say.....

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4019 - 05/11/2025 15:58:08    2643170

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Ah yes, this isn't the first time you've asserted that right and wrong are for sale."
So what's your suggestion that we should do? I'm all ears….

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11816 - 05/11/2025 16:26:00    2643175

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Replying To yew_tree:  "So what's your suggestion that we should do? I'm all ears…."
Pat your mortgage and still try to be a decent person who makes ethical decisions. Is that unreasonable?

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4019 - 05/11/2025 22:11:48    2643216

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Pat your mortgage and still try to be a decent person who makes ethical decisions. Is that unreasonable?"
That does not really answer my question. I do that already and I believe I'm a good person.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11816 - 06/11/2025 20:03:54    2643311

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Replying To yew_tree:  "That does not really answer my question. I do that already and I believe I'm a good person."
To say you're a good person is a hell of a statement. What measurement criteria are you using?

Full disclosure, I am not a good person. I am a flawed person who's trying very hard to make good choices but continually makes mistakes so it's not my intention to judge or lecture you.

I'm simply saying the language you use seems to absolve you of any duty to make good choices but maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4019 - 07/11/2025 11:17:57    2643346

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "To say you're a good person is a hell of a statement. What measurement criteria are you using?

Full disclosure, I am not a good person. I am a flawed person who's trying very hard to make good choices but continually makes mistakes so it's not my intention to judge or lecture you.

I'm simply saying the language you use seems to absolve you of any duty to make good choices but maybe I'm misunderstanding you."
Think you are being a bit hard on that lad Doyler

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17433 - 07/11/2025 16:45:01    2643412

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Replying To Viking66:  "Think you are being a bit hard on that lad Doyler"
Not that lad in particular. It's an attitude that in my opinion causes a great deal of harm. If working people can't come together for the common good we're at nothing.

I will however take your advice and drop it.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4019 - 07/11/2025 23:10:40    2643451

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "To say you're a good person is a hell of a statement. What measurement criteria are you using?

Full disclosure, I am not a good person. I am a flawed person who's trying very hard to make good choices but continually makes mistakes so it's not my intention to judge or lecture you.

I'm simply saying the language you use seems to absolve you of any duty to make good choices but maybe I'm misunderstanding you."
Life too short to be worrying about if you're a good or bad person. We all have our faults but nobody is a saint. However most people are good people. In 100 years nobody will even remember we existed.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11816 - 08/11/2025 11:21:38    2643482

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Life too short to be worrying about if you're a good or bad person. We all have our faults but nobody is a saint. However most people are good people. In 100 years nobody will even remember we existed."
Therein lies the key difference I suppose. I'd be of the view that in 100 years we'll still exist just not here. All the best

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4019 - 08/11/2025 14:16:03    2643505

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "To say you're a good person is a hell of a statement. What measurement criteria are you using?

Full disclosure, I am not a good person. I am a flawed person who's trying very hard to make good choices but continually makes mistakes so it's not my intention to judge or lecture you.

I'm simply saying the language you use seems to absolve you of any duty to make good choices but maybe I'm misunderstanding you."
What measurement criteria are you using?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8333 - 08/11/2025 14:25:47    2643506

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "What measurement criteria are you using?"
For a good person? Somebody who always does the right thing. I know loads of people who've done good things, but a good person is a bold statement by my definition. Let he who's without sin cast the first stone and all that

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4019 - 08/11/2025 19:34:54    2643554

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "For a good person? Somebody who always does the right thing. I know loads of people who've done good things, but a good person is a bold statement by my definition. Let he who's without sin cast the first stone and all that"
A good person is someone who 'always' does the right thing? If that's the case, there isn't a good person on earth. Stop good lad.
I know plenty good people. They aren't perfect (nobody is), but they live a good life and look after others.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2626 - 08/11/2025 20:21:52    2643564

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "A good person is someone who 'always' does the right thing? If that's the case, there isn't a good person on earth. Stop good lad.
I know plenty good people. They aren't perfect (nobody is), but they live a good life and look after others."
I agree with that. The only good person ever was crucified.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4019 - 08/11/2025 22:47:53    2643584

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I agree with that. The only good person ever was crucified."
Not sure you can say he was the only good person ever. He certainly was one of them though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17433 - 09/11/2025 14:40:49    2643636

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I agree with that. The only good person ever was crucified."
Is it not true to say Mary was equally as good a person when they were both on earth, also not doing bad stuff is another way of doing good.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3295 - 10/11/2025 08:40:49    2643789

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Is Kevin Bakhurst going to impose Ryan Tubridy on the long suffering RTE listenership again ? This London based gig of his seems to have flopped or tanked. I don't see any of the other Irish stations queuing up to engage his services.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1917 - 10/11/2025 09:47:37    2643803

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Replying To supersub15:  "Is it not true to say Mary was equally as good a person when they were both on earth, also not doing bad stuff is another way of doing good."
This conversation has taken a turn. That depends on whether or not you believe Mary was born with original sin which is the essence of my point.

We are all sinners.

I don't agree with the second part. How many people do you know that don't do bad stuff?

Try as I might I'm committing at least one of the 7 deadly sins every week.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4019 - 10/11/2025 11:53:50    2643832

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "This conversation has taken a turn. That depends on whether or not you believe Mary was born with original sin which is the essence of my point.

We are all sinners.

I don't agree with the second part. How many people do you know that don't do bad stuff?

Try as I might I'm committing at least one of the 7 deadly sins every week."
Sin was a religious concept to leave you perpetually with guilt and obeying the church is conveniently your only way of ridding yourself of the sin. Hey lads not sure ye realise but ye are all sinners, and you will never get into heaven without ridding yourself of the terrible sin you are all born with...how do we do that Patrick....oh the only way is joining my church and doing everything I tell you. If a salesman came to your door trying to pull that stunt you'd rightly call them a scam artist.

FullOfPorter (Roscommon) - Posts: 453 - 10/11/2025 13:36:53    2643851

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Replying To FullOfPorter:  "Sin was a religious concept to leave you perpetually with guilt and obeying the church is conveniently your only way of ridding yourself of the sin. Hey lads not sure ye realise but ye are all sinners, and you will never get into heaven without ridding yourself of the terrible sin you are all born with...how do we do that Patrick....oh the only way is joining my church and doing everything I tell you. If a salesman came to your door trying to pull that stunt you'd rightly call them a scam artist."
They wouldn't need to in most cases because you'd be indoctrinated from birth. For Holy Communion and Confirmation a child should learn some morals. In Ireland they're usually given a pile of money for both. What kind of values and morals does that reinforce?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8333 - 10/11/2025 14:17:05    2643867

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Replying To FullOfPorter:  "Sin was a religious concept to leave you perpetually with guilt and obeying the church is conveniently your only way of ridding yourself of the sin. Hey lads not sure ye realise but ye are all sinners, and you will never get into heaven without ridding yourself of the terrible sin you are all born with...how do we do that Patrick....oh the only way is joining my church and doing everything I tell you. If a salesman came to your door trying to pull that stunt you'd rightly call them a scam artist."
I absolutely get what you're saying but I would say two things,

1. Human nature is generally selfish and greedy so it's perfectly logical.

2. I don't believe the church is necessary at all. I need God, I don't necessarily need the church although I do attend and personally enjoy it.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4019 - 10/11/2025 15:11:59    2643874

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