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Replying To SixtiesKid: "Why is it that so many people are opposed to the proper implementation of the rules in Hurling?
As usual we see great attention to refereeing standards during the league and then all is abandoned come Championship.
What other sport allows referees to blatantly ignore the rules in order to "let the game flow"?
Over recent years we have allowed blatant throwing of the sliotar to the extent that it is now standard practice.
Charging with the ball is now rampant.
Over-carrying, shoulders into the back etc, too many indiscretions constantly allowed.
In rugby the laws are implemented with vigour. Soccer is the same, even using VAR to check if there was a foul in the build up to a score.
In golf you penalize yourself in you transgress.
But in the game of hurling we turn a blind eye to the constant fouls, all in the name of letting it flow.
Why? The game has deteriorated in terms of skill in recent years and is now based as much, if not more, on physicality than skill.
Its now all about creating and winning rucks, bursting past opponents taking 6-7 steps, high tackles and one handed hurling or throwing the sliotar. Nobody even bothers to take a side line cut anymore. Referees don't implement the 13 metre rule at all on line balls.
Bad refereeing has been a problem now for a decade or more and dare anyone say so.
If the game continues in the current direction it will loose its standing as the great sport it once was." problem is not the referreing its the rules
Tackle is not well defined and most of the so called handpasses that people complain about when you slow it down are indeed handpasses
Poorly defined rules + fast play + fitter and stronger players then ever = Problems with too much subjectivity and grey
For sure the referreing could improve, especially the use of linemen and umpires, but even then there would be problems
I think the handpass speeds up the game and would hate to see it go, but given how impossible it is to judge maybe they should think about trialing no handpass in something like a Fitzgibbon. But I worry with no handpass you would have endless rucks but give it a try
My own small suggestion is to eliminate the throw in. Four lads flaking each other waiting for the ref to throw in the ball. Its a huge flashpoint and sets the tone. Have the goalie puck it out, scoring not allowed
Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 139 - 10/06/2025 18:22:17
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Replying To Crashingwaves: "Different standard of refereeing in Munster to Leinster. Pundits also never criticise dangerous play in Munster and there was loads of it in the final. Even the hogsstand admin here won't allow it!" Well said.
brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 171 - 10/06/2025 19:24:13
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Replying To SixtiesKid: "Why is it that so many people are opposed to the proper implementation of the rules in Hurling?
As usual we see great attention to refereeing standards during the league and then all is abandoned come Championship.
What other sport allows referees to blatantly ignore the rules in order to "let the game flow"?
Over recent years we have allowed blatant throwing of the sliotar to the extent that it is now standard practice.
Charging with the ball is now rampant.
Over-carrying, shoulders into the back etc, too many indiscretions constantly allowed.
In rugby the laws are implemented with vigour. Soccer is the same, even using VAR to check if there was a foul in the build up to a score.
In golf you penalize yourself in you transgress.
But in the game of hurling we turn a blind eye to the constant fouls, all in the name of letting it flow.
Why? The game has deteriorated in terms of skill in recent years and is now based as much, if not more, on physicality than skill.
Its now all about creating and winning rucks, bursting past opponents taking 6-7 steps, high tackles and one handed hurling or throwing the sliotar. Nobody even bothers to take a side line cut anymore. Referees don't implement the 13 metre rule at all on line balls.
Bad refereeing has been a problem now for a decade or more and dare anyone say so.
If the game continues in the current direction it will loose its standing as the great sport it once was." You are dead right.
brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 171 - 10/06/2025 19:25:01
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Replying To Ryanteam: "Very good video of the Cork team singing "Killeagh " in unison after the game, doing the rounds. You might enjoy it. It's almost as good as the "Super Bowl Shuffle " from the Bears in 1986." Might be the last time they will be singing this year id say so they were right to enjoy it.
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 389 - 10/06/2025 19:39:03
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Replying To SixtiesKid: "Why is it that so many people are opposed to the proper implementation of the rules in Hurling?
As usual we see great attention to refereeing standards during the league and then all is abandoned come Championship.
What other sport allows referees to blatantly ignore the rules in order to "let the game flow"?
Over recent years we have allowed blatant throwing of the sliotar to the extent that it is now standard practice.
Charging with the ball is now rampant.
Over-carrying, shoulders into the back etc, too many indiscretions constantly allowed.
In rugby the laws are implemented with vigour. Soccer is the same, even using VAR to check if there was a foul in the build up to a score.
In golf you penalize yourself in you transgress.
But in the game of hurling we turn a blind eye to the constant fouls, all in the name of letting it flow.
Why? The game has deteriorated in terms of skill in recent years and is now based as much, if not more, on physicality than skill.
Its now all about creating and winning rucks, bursting past opponents taking 6-7 steps, high tackles and one handed hurling or throwing the sliotar. Nobody even bothers to take a side line cut anymore. Referees don't implement the 13 metre rule at all on line balls.
Bad refereeing has been a problem now for a decade or more and dare anyone say so.
If the game continues in the current direction it will loose its standing as the great sport it once was." Have to agree with all the above and no debate about any of it on the sunday game either.
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 389 - 10/06/2025 19:40:09
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Replying To bloodandbandage: "I'd say you were spurned by A cork woman - hence the bitterness! and stop pretending you have friends from Cork. Pure and utter nonsense" While admittedly it's a bit over the top, I agree with a fair bit. I worked in cork for years and have some decent friends but the arrogance is ridiculous. If there was a restaurant with poor quality food/service they'd still stay it was perfect because sure tis in cork.
Oh and the roaring down the throat, I got when I described cork airport as being seasonal.
Tommy Tiernan's joke was spot on. Can they help it when they are constantly being brainwashed from childhood.
The worst of all and more serious is the latest carry on of the supporters with the ridiculous booing and jeering. Don't get me wrong we all have a cohort that let sides down but it's not the odd one or two in cork. Did I hear the tipp team were booed running out onto the pitch down there too? Just wear soccer jerseys already. A woman near me was thinking about taking her children out the last day, the cork supporters near us were that viscious. But sure it's OK when your the darlings of the media
Mads (Limerick) - Posts: 371 - 10/06/2025 19:59:21
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Replying To SixtiesKid: "Why is it that so many people are opposed to the proper implementation of the rules in Hurling?
As usual we see great attention to refereeing standards during the league and then all is abandoned come Championship.
What other sport allows referees to blatantly ignore the rules in order to "let the game flow"?
Over recent years we have allowed blatant throwing of the sliotar to the extent that it is now standard practice.
Charging with the ball is now rampant.
Over-carrying, shoulders into the back etc, too many indiscretions constantly allowed.
In rugby the laws are implemented with vigour. Soccer is the same, even using VAR to check if there was a foul in the build up to a score.
In golf you penalize yourself in you transgress.
But in the game of hurling we turn a blind eye to the constant fouls, all in the name of letting it flow.
Why? The game has deteriorated in terms of skill in recent years and is now based as much, if not more, on physicality than skill.
Its now all about creating and winning rucks, bursting past opponents taking 6-7 steps, high tackles and one handed hurling or throwing the sliotar. Nobody even bothers to take a side line cut anymore. Referees don't implement the 13 metre rule at all on line balls.
Bad refereeing has been a problem now for a decade or more and dare anyone say so.
If the game continues in the current direction it will loose its standing as the great sport it once was." Just watched the Paul Murphy/ Skehill podcast.. both raved about the Munster final,the intensity and the competition. Paul Murphy said it was one of the best games ever… I guess beauty in in the eye of the beholder ! I'm looking forward to Kilkenny vs Limerick.. and Cork vs Tipp/ Galway..the season is terrific so far!
Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 570 - 10/06/2025 20:12:15
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Replying To Ryanteam: "Very good video of the Cork team singing "Killeagh " in unison after the game, doing the rounds. You might enjoy it. It's almost as good as the "Super Bowl Shuffle " from the Bears in 1986." Bear Down, Chicago Bears! This could be our year ;-)
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16279 - 10/06/2025 21:52:24
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Replying To SixtiesKid: "Why is it that so many people are opposed to the proper implementation of the rules in Hurling?
As usual we see great attention to refereeing standards during the league and then all is abandoned come Championship.
What other sport allows referees to blatantly ignore the rules in order to "let the game flow"?
Over recent years we have allowed blatant throwing of the sliotar to the extent that it is now standard practice.
Charging with the ball is now rampant.
Over-carrying, shoulders into the back etc, too many indiscretions constantly allowed.
In rugby the laws are implemented with vigour. Soccer is the same, even using VAR to check if there was a foul in the build up to a score.
In golf you penalize yourself in you transgress.
But in the game of hurling we turn a blind eye to the constant fouls, all in the name of letting it flow.
Why? The game has deteriorated in terms of skill in recent years and is now based as much, if not more, on physicality than skill.
Its now all about creating and winning rucks, bursting past opponents taking 6-7 steps, high tackles and one handed hurling or throwing the sliotar. Nobody even bothers to take a side line cut anymore. Referees don't implement the 13 metre rule at all on line balls.
Bad refereeing has been a problem now for a decade or more and dare anyone say so.
If the game continues in the current direction it will loose its standing as the great sport it once was." I agree refereeing is having too much influence on results. No one knows that better than us. No they don't even out if when a bad call or a non call eliminates you from the championship. However let's analyze it another bit and look at where the game is now compared to 50 's and 60'. I was watching a game with the great Christy Ring and Tipp. You could go out and have a cup of tea from when the ball was lifted until struck. It was barely moved 20 yds along the ground 50% if the strikes. The players now are so fast, strong and athletic and the ball traveling 10 times faster and further. Also players are cuter drawing frees and simulating injury. Lifting the arm and hand of an opponent. Striking above the head is part of the game and accidental contact will happen. Last Sunday a player felt the opponent coming over the top to get the ball and he pinched the hurley between his neck and shoulder to get the free. Put this in the context of a referee. There is no earthly way he can travel at this speed to see these infringements if everyone wants the rules followed. The assistant from the sideline is not good enough. The progress of the game and dishonesty of players have got us to where we have constant controversies. Then the powers that be come along in the league with pet agendas that are then ignored come championship. An example is the stupid black card and a penalty for stopping a scoring chance. We had a Clare player out on the side penalized for what was interfering with a scoring chance. We had a Waterford player dragged down in the square by two players this year and no call. The bottom line is this is a job for two referees and review for critical decisions. Severe penalties for players cheating but this has to come after review. We have a great sport that has come on in leaps and bounds but refereeing it is stuck in the distance past.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3106 - 10/06/2025 22:09:18
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Replying To SixtiesKid: "Why is it that so many people are opposed to the proper implementation of the rules in Hurling?
As usual we see great attention to refereeing standards during the league and then all is abandoned come Championship.
What other sport allows referees to blatantly ignore the rules in order to "let the game flow"?
Over recent years we have allowed blatant throwing of the sliotar to the extent that it is now standard practice.
Charging with the ball is now rampant.
Over-carrying, shoulders into the back etc, too many indiscretions constantly allowed.
In rugby the laws are implemented with vigour. Soccer is the same, even using VAR to check if there was a foul in the build up to a score.
In golf you penalize yourself in you transgress.
But in the game of hurling we turn a blind eye to the constant fouls, all in the name of letting it flow.
Why? The game has deteriorated in terms of skill in recent years and is now based as much, if not more, on physicality than skill.
Its now all about creating and winning rucks, bursting past opponents taking 6-7 steps, high tackles and one handed hurling or throwing the sliotar. Nobody even bothers to take a side line cut anymore. Referees don't implement the 13 metre rule at all on line balls.
Bad refereeing has been a problem now for a decade or more and dare anyone say so.
If the game continues in the current direction it will loose its standing as the great sport it once was." How anyone can say there's been a deterioration in skill over the past decade is bordering on embarrassing. The skill levels went through the roof in the 2000s and in the past 10-12 years they've increased again. The game may be more physical but the skill levels are outrageously good
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2194 - 10/06/2025 22:28:34
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Replying To Claretandblue: "How anyone can say there's been a deterioration in skill over the past decade is bordering on embarrassing. The skill levels went through the roof in the 2000s and in the past 10-12 years they've increased again. The game may be more physical but the skill levels are outrageously good" Definitely
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16279 - 11/06/2025 06:29:56
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Replying To Claretandblue: "How anyone can say there's been a deterioration in skill over the past decade is bordering on embarrassing. The skill levels went through the roof in the 2000s and in the past 10-12 years they've increased again. The game may be more physical but the skill levels are outrageously good" Agreed. The first touch and striking from both sides now is better than it was 15 years ago and miles ahead of where it was 30 years ago.
We take for granted now that players can instantly control a sliotar which is flying at them at pace, while under pressure from their marker.
If a player misses a shot off their weaker side from anywhere inside 65 yards now, it's considered a poor strike. Years only a handful of players were capable of scoring those regularly.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2379 - 11/06/2025 08:01:39
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Replying To Canuck: "I agree refereeing is having too much influence on results. No one knows that better than us. No they don't even out if when a bad call or a non call eliminates you from the championship. However let's analyze it another bit and look at where the game is now compared to 50 's and 60'. I was watching a game with the great Christy Ring and Tipp. You could go out and have a cup of tea from when the ball was lifted until struck. It was barely moved 20 yds along the ground 50% if the strikes. The players now are so fast, strong and athletic and the ball traveling 10 times faster and further. Also players are cuter drawing frees and simulating injury. Lifting the arm and hand of an opponent. Striking above the head is part of the game and accidental contact will happen. Last Sunday a player felt the opponent coming over the top to get the ball and he pinched the hurley between his neck and shoulder to get the free. Put this in the context of a referee. There is no earthly way he can travel at this speed to see these infringements if everyone wants the rules followed. The assistant from the sideline is not good enough. The progress of the game and dishonesty of players have got us to where we have constant controversies. Then the powers that be come along in the league with pet agendas that are then ignored come championship. An example is the stupid black card and a penalty for stopping a scoring chance. We had a Clare player out on the side penalized for what was interfering with a scoring chance. We had a Waterford player dragged down in the square by two players this year and no call. The bottom line is this is a job for two referees and review for critical decisions. Severe penalties for players cheating but this has to come after review. We have a great sport that has come on in leaps and bounds but refereeing it is stuck in the distance past." We all get a little whimsical when talking about hurlers of the past, but you're right, the game has moved on, and today's game is definitely superior. Skill levels shown by Cian Lynch for example are unparalleled, how he can catch a ball under severe pressure is amazing, and the sheer battling for possession exemplified by Brian Hayes and Dan Morrissey last Saturday can only be admired. As for sideline cuts, it has only improved and several players now routinely send them over the bar. Goalkeepers are nowadays much better than before, and puck out strategies are now part of a goalie's repertoire! The game is so fast that it's hard for referees to keep up, but hey… we were all enthralled I am sure, last weekend!
Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 570 - 11/06/2025 08:17:03
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Replying To Mads: "While admittedly it's a bit over the top, I agree with a fair bit. I worked in cork for years and have some decent friends but the arrogance is ridiculous. If there was a restaurant with poor quality food/service they'd still stay it was perfect because sure tis in cork.
Oh and the roaring down the throat, I got when I described cork airport as being seasonal.
Tommy Tiernan's joke was spot on. Can they help it when they are constantly being brainwashed from childhood.
The worst of all and more serious is the latest carry on of the supporters with the ridiculous booing and jeering. Don't get me wrong we all have a cohort that let sides down but it's not the odd one or two in cork. Did I hear the tipp team were booed running out onto the pitch down there too? Just wear soccer jerseys already. A woman near me was thinking about taking her children out the last day, the cork supporters near us were that viscious. But sure it's OK when your the darlings of the media" Cork have a serious arrogance and always have. Like it or not, it's nothing new. Makes it sweeter beating them.
But your selective condemnation is ridiculous. fitzgibbon was whistled and jeered taking the 65? There are multiple videos of Limerick fans jeering, gesturing and directing abhorrent language at departing Cork fans a few weeks ago.
dakid (Australia) - Posts: 305 - 11/06/2025 08:23:27
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Replying To Canuck: "I agree refereeing is having too much influence on results. No one knows that better than us. No they don't even out if when a bad call or a non call eliminates you from the championship. However let's analyze it another bit and look at where the game is now compared to 50 's and 60'. I was watching a game with the great Christy Ring and Tipp. You could go out and have a cup of tea from when the ball was lifted until struck. It was barely moved 20 yds along the ground 50% if the strikes. The players now are so fast, strong and athletic and the ball traveling 10 times faster and further. Also players are cuter drawing frees and simulating injury. Lifting the arm and hand of an opponent. Striking above the head is part of the game and accidental contact will happen. Last Sunday a player felt the opponent coming over the top to get the ball and he pinched the hurley between his neck and shoulder to get the free. Put this in the context of a referee. There is no earthly way he can travel at this speed to see these infringements if everyone wants the rules followed. The assistant from the sideline is not good enough. The progress of the game and dishonesty of players have got us to where we have constant controversies. Then the powers that be come along in the league with pet agendas that are then ignored come championship. An example is the stupid black card and a penalty for stopping a scoring chance. We had a Clare player out on the side penalized for what was interfering with a scoring chance. We had a Waterford player dragged down in the square by two players this year and no call. The bottom line is this is a job for two referees and review for critical decisions. Severe penalties for players cheating but this has to come after review. We have a great sport that has come on in leaps and bounds but refereeing it is stuck in the distance past." And refs are expected to race around the pitch after 30 elite athletes half their age
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2388 - 11/06/2025 08:49:15
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Replying To Claretandblue: "How anyone can say there's been a deterioration in skill over the past decade is bordering on embarrassing. The skill levels went through the roof in the 2000s and in the past 10-12 years they've increased again. The game may be more physical but the skill levels are outrageously good" Some skills are not practiced at all e.g ground hurling, overhead pulls and much of the terminology and style of play is borrowed from foreign games, particularly rugby. We now hear terms that belong to another sport, rucks, turnovers etc. The emphasis is on bulk and brawn rather than fast skilful wrist work. There are still some wonderful hurlers but most of them are not given any protection in the interest "letting the game flow".
Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 207 - 11/06/2025 09:43:16
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Replying To Bon: "And refs are expected to race around the pitch after 30 elite athletes half their age" The speed of the game now we either need two referees or some sort of var.
There are massive risks with this though.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3720 - 11/06/2025 10:15:56
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Replying To Ryanteam: "We all get a little whimsical when talking about hurlers of the past, but you're right, the game has moved on, and today's game is definitely superior. Skill levels shown by Cian Lynch for example are unparalleled, how he can catch a ball under severe pressure is amazing, and the sheer battling for possession exemplified by Brian Hayes and Dan Morrissey last Saturday can only be admired. As for sideline cuts, it has only improved and several players now routinely send them over the bar. Goalkeepers are nowadays much better than before, and puck out strategies are now part of a goalie's repertoire! The game is so fast that it's hard for referees to keep up, but hey… we were all enthralled I am sure, last weekend!" To be fair players of the past are reflective of their time. I'll give an example, Rory McCarthy was the best I ever saw for doubling on a ball or killing it on his hurl while in the air.
Adrian fenlon was a master ground hurler.
These were amazing skills to watch but lads just wouldn't be let do it now because you're far too likely to lose possession.
We're gone obsessed with efficiency.
I think shot stopping is nearly a secondary skill for keepers now. Their use of possession is their primary.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3720 - 11/06/2025 10:19:42
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Replying To Crashingwaves: "Some skills are not practiced at all e.g ground hurling, overhead pulls and much of the terminology and style of play is borrowed from foreign games, particularly rugby. We now hear terms that belong to another sport, rucks, turnovers etc. The emphasis is on bulk and brawn rather than fast skilful wrist work. There are still some wonderful hurlers but most of them are not given any protection in the interest "letting the game flow"." This is the point I think some people are missing. Some skills like first touch and striking are so immaculate now that other skills have been eliminated from the game, like ground hurling or playing the ball in the air. Or the Dj classic 15 yeard handpass off the hurl that would split a defence. I'm not commenting on whether the game is better or worse for it but I think it's fair to say the near perfection of some parts of the game have narrowed the spectrum of skills.
Overdahill (Galway) - Posts: 72 - 11/06/2025 10:45:48
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Replying To Crashingwaves: "Some skills are not practiced at all e.g ground hurling, overhead pulls and much of the terminology and style of play is borrowed from foreign games, particularly rugby. We now hear terms that belong to another sport, rucks, turnovers etc. The emphasis is on bulk and brawn rather than fast skilful wrist work. There are still some wonderful hurlers but most of them are not given any protection in the interest "letting the game flow"." Ground hurling usually results in a turnover, that is why it is not done regularly. You play to win, when you coach kids now you encourage them to get the ball in their hand. You contest the ball on the ground and you get out of the danger area but in general you get the ball in your hand and take control of the situation.
The emphasis is not on bulk and brawn, You need enforcers and all teams have them and you need the skilful players with vision and creativity and its always been like that.
The skill levels have never been so high. Take Limerick as an example they took all the skills of the game and brought them to a new level. Their stick passing, catching, long ball delivery, soloing, off the ball movement, shooting, hooking and blocking are all far better now than they were 10 years ago. They have players at corner back like Barry Nash who can hurl just as well and with as much skill as your forwards and score points. Adam English is a relatively small and skilful hurler so is Peter Casey. Declan Hannon relied completely on skill and technique for years at centre back rather than brawn, same with Darragh O Donoghue. Cian Lynch is one of the most skilful hurlers in the history of the game. Kyle Hayes and Gearoid Hegarty are as big and strong as they come but they are both well able to hurl and take their scores. That goal he got against KK where he picked the ball with he heel of the hurley and drove it top corner is one of the great AI goals. With Limerick its all about letting things flow and the more it flows the more they like it. Its the same for all top teams.
There is not as much overhead pulls now because you want to give a ball in that favours your team mates rather than it being a 50 50. Limerick go long all the time and Cork go direct in to Brian Hayes constantly, so that element of the game is still there. Scores are far higher now because the balls going in to forwards are of far higher quality.
Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 447 - 11/06/2025 11:04:46
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