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Replying To Viking66: "Total GAA intercounty team expenditure was around 44 million. Croke Park generated 46 million revenue by itself, that's only a drop in the ocean compared to what the total revenue generated by all the county boards and Provincial councils and centrally generated sponsorship, advertising and fundraising. And the total spend on infrastructure which is currently shared anyway." I wrote a reply earlier to the assertion that "spend on infrastructure is currently shared anyway" but seems mods didn't let it through, perhaps because it was too specific on how infrastructural spend is "shared" on major capital projects here in Wexford. So I'll try write a more general one now.
I have to acknowledge it's true to say that the spend is "shared", but the key point is that it's far from a case of it being shared equally or proportionally. I know that you're a County Board delegate - next time infrastructural projects are being discussed at the meeting, ask the question about what percentage of overall spend is being put forward by the other two associations.
Have already given an example of how an infrastructural spend has thus far been "shared" in my own place - a 93% share from the GAA club, and a 7% share from camogie & LGFA combined.
And yes, that's a problem for us, but the point is that after years of effort in this regard, things have never gotten any better. That's why it's a very real and very valid point in questioning the narrative that costs are already "shared", or that things would be any different after integration.
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Replying To zinny: "So your club should benefit hugely from it as they now also take joint responsibility for everything. Question for you, which club at the moment would you want your smartest and hardest working organisers?
What you hope is that post integration that is no longer a question and for the women involved in the GAA clubs at the moment i doubt it ever will be but will the same be true for the men. The idea is greater together and its up to the clubs themselves to achieve it." I'm not quite sure what your point is here.
What I will say is this - if more than 60 people from the GAA end of things can work on a major fundraising project, I'd like to see at least ten or fifteen from the camogie/LGFA end of things put in similar efforts, instead of just two of them.
That'd make somewhere from 15 to 20% of effort from them - surely not unreasonable when you consider they'd end up with about 50% of use of the new facilities anyway, same as they already do with our existing facilities.
By the way, this is not a men v women thing. Some women here are primarily or solely associated with the GAA club, and some men are primarily or solely associated with camogie/LGFA. One of the two people who did make an effort on behalf of camogie/LGFA is a man. One of three main drivers of that fundraiser from the GAA committee is a woman.
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Finally for now, for all those looking for a link to the report where the figures being quoted by another poster were given - that passage came from a column printed in the Nenagh Guardian in July 2023. Make of that what you will.
https://www.nenaghguardian.ie/2023/07/02/in-all-fairness-money-is-the-route-of-integration-problems/
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It wasn't hard to find that report. Took two seconds with this wonderful online tool I have, called Google. All those who were demanding a link to it should look into getting this Google thing themselves.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2937 - 09/06/2025 23:40:42
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Finally for now, for all those looking for a link to the report where the figures being quoted by another poster were given - that passage came from a column printed in the Nenagh Guardian in July 2023. Make of that what you will. https://www.nenaghguardian.ie/2023/07/02/in-all-fairness-money-is-the-route-of-integration-problems/ linkIt wasn't hard to find that report. Took two seconds with this wonderful online tool I have, called Google. All those who were demanding a link to it should look into getting this Google thing themselves."
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1371 - 10/06/2025 12:59:44
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Replying To Kew: "So this has turned into a discussion about me providing a link to a GAA financial report. Hilarious the two of you are pretending I spent the time making up numbers the GAA have provided, just so you don't have to acknowledge the financial issues the merge has. There is no link to the gaa financial report. If you think I am making up the numbers the GAA have provided this is a waste of time. I gave the financial figures for the year but both of you won't address the figures, I can't do anymore to help the two of you." You know what's hilarious? You coming on here telling people that there's some 'financial report' which shows that the cost of the merger will 'finish the GAA' when there's no report at all. And then we've now discovered that you copied and pasted the figures provided from some low brow article that you refused to link. No wonder you refused to provide a link to it. I'd say if I went back far enough you were against Rule 42 as well. You're some joker.
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Replying To Square_B: "You know what's hilarious? You coming on here telling people that there's some 'financial report' which shows that the cost of the merger will 'finish the GAA' when there's no report at all. And then we've now discovered that you copied and pasted the figures provided from some low brow article that you refused to link. No wonder you refused to provide a link to it. I'd say if I went back far enough you were against Rule 42 as well. You're some joker." Report wasn't even a GAA report, it was a GPA report. The figures weren't even in that report.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8076 - 10/06/2025 14:48:57
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I wrote a reply earlier to the assertion that "spend on infrastructure is currently shared anyway" but seems mods didn't let it through, perhaps because it was too specific on how infrastructural spend is "shared" on major capital projects here in Wexford. So I'll try write a more general one now.
I have to acknowledge it's true to say that the spend is "shared", but the key point is that it's far from a case of it being shared equally or proportionally. I know that you're a County Board delegate - next time infrastructural projects are being discussed at the meeting, ask the question about what percentage of overall spend is being put forward by the other two associations.
Have already given an example of how an infrastructural spend has thus far been "shared" in my own place - a 93% share from the GAA club, and a 7% share from camogie & LGFA combined.
And yes, that's a problem for us, but the point is that after years of effort in this regard, things have never gotten any better. That's why it's a very real and very valid point in questioning the narrative that costs are already "shared", or that things would be any different after integration." Most of our infrastructure improvements have been funded by way of grants. The percentage that we have had to put to it we raised through various different fundraising initiatives, which everyone put time into. Obviously we have more GAA members than LGFA or CA ones so proportionately I guess you could say more GAA member hours were put in than hours from the others.
But it's very important to point out that nearly all of us come from the same GAA families in the parish, except me! Many of the families are members of 2 or all 3 organisations, the coaching pool at the club likewise, I'm surprised it's so delineated at your club.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16279 - 10/06/2025 16:43:18
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Finally for now, for all those looking for a link to the report where the figures being quoted by another poster were given - that passage came from a column printed in the Nenagh Guardian in July 2023. Make of that what you will. https://www.nenaghguardian.ie/2023/07/02/in-all-fairness-money-is-the-route-of-integration-problems/ linkIt wasn't hard to find that report. Took two seconds with this wonderful online tool I have, called Google. All those who were demanding a link to it should look into getting this Google thing themselves."
The choice of the word "they" surely means that the journalist has missed the whole point of this. There won't be a "they" if there's a merger, there will only be a "we".
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16279 - 10/06/2025 16:48:06
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I wrote a reply earlier to the assertion that "spend on infrastructure is currently shared anyway" but seems mods didn't let it through, perhaps because it was too specific on how infrastructural spend is "shared" on major capital projects here in Wexford. So I'll try write a more general one now.
I have to acknowledge it's true to say that the spend is "shared", but the key point is that it's far from a case of it being shared equally or proportionally. I know that you're a County Board delegate - next time infrastructural projects are being discussed at the meeting, ask the question about what percentage of overall spend is being put forward by the other two associations.
Have already given an example of how an infrastructural spend has thus far been "shared" in my own place - a 93% share from the GAA club, and a 7% share from camogie & LGFA combined.
And yes, that's a problem for us, but the point is that after years of effort in this regard, things have never gotten any better. That's why it's a very real and very valid point in questioning the narrative that costs are already "shared", or that things would be any different after integration." Sorry only read this again. I meant the infrastructure was shared, not the the cost of it. And that sharing would've been a condition of many of the grants needed to pay for it, either directly or tacitly agreed.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16279 - 10/06/2025 17:10:29
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I'm not quite sure what your point is here.
What I will say is this - if more than 60 people from the GAA end of things can work on a major fundraising project, I'd like to see at least ten or fifteen from the camogie/LGFA end of things put in similar efforts, instead of just two of them.
That'd make somewhere from 15 to 20% of effort from them - surely not unreasonable when you consider they'd end up with about 50% of use of the new facilities anyway, same as they already do with our existing facilities.
By the way, this is not a men v women thing. Some women here are primarily or solely associated with the GAA club, and some men are primarily or solely associated with camogie/LGFA. One of the two people who did make an effort on behalf of camogie/LGFA is a man. One of three main drivers of that fundraiser from the GAA committee is a woman." The point is as the dominant organisation the GAA was always going to get the best people, either men or women, the GAA has benefited massively from the norms of society down through the years and still do. The women's organisations should never existed separately, if the GAA is an organisation dedicated to keeping Irish culture alive then everyone has to accept that Irish culture is not gender specific so whatever pain there is now its something that's long overdue and everyone needs to get behind it. A one club policy requires everyone to get involved. That will differ from club to club but that's no surprise as each club is its own mini society.
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Replying To zinny: "The point is as the dominant organisation the GAA was always going to get the best people, either men or women, the GAA has benefited massively from the norms of society down through the years and still do. The women's organisations should never existed separately, if the GAA is an organisation dedicated to keeping Irish culture alive then everyone has to accept that Irish culture is not gender specific so whatever pain there is now its something that's long overdue and everyone needs to get behind it. A one club policy requires everyone to get involved. That will differ from club to club but that's no surprise as each club is its own mini society." Paring it back and stating it bluntly - saying "the GAA was always going to get the best people, either men or women" is basically a nice way of saying that those currently instead involved in Camogie or LGFA don't have as much to bring to the table, because they're not as good in the first place. Therefore, the ones currently involved in GAA will be the ones people expect to keep the entire show running going forward, instead of just the elements they look after right now.
But leaving that aside for the moment and going back to the recent example from my own place -
Some 25 to 30 GAA players were involved in ticket sales and other elements of organisation. Just three camogie/ladies football players got involved, and to a far lesser extent than their male counterparts, despite several group texts, direct phone calls, and even face-to-face conversations. This also despite how they already enjoy close to 50% usage of our current facilities, and will no doubt have some 50% usage of the new development too.
Maybe this is an outlier and things are nowhere near as bad in other places, but this is a real issue here. There's far too much attitude of "sure the men's side of things look after all that, and all we have to do is just turn up to play."
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2937 - 11/06/2025 13:09:24
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Paring it back and stating it bluntly - saying "the GAA was always going to get the best people, either men or women" is basically a nice way of saying that those currently instead involved in Camogie or LGFA don't have as much to bring to the table, because they're not as good in the first place. Therefore, the ones currently involved in GAA will be the ones people expect to keep the entire show running going forward, instead of just the elements they look after right now.
But leaving that aside for the moment and going back to the recent example from my own place -
Some 25 to 30 GAA players were involved in ticket sales and other elements of organisation. Just three camogie/ladies football players got involved, and to a far lesser extent than their male counterparts, despite several group texts, direct phone calls, and even face-to-face conversations. This also despite how they already enjoy close to 50% usage of our current facilities, and will no doubt have some 50% usage of the new development too.
Maybe this is an outlier and things are nowhere near as bad in other places, but this is a real issue here. There's far too much attitude of "sure the men's side of things look after all that, and all we have to do is just turn up to play."" It's not to say that there are not good people in the other organisations but its like big corporations and small ones, the people, the structures, the infrastructure is all there and as much as the others may have some good people the bigger one will always attract most of the best.
But look a lot of men take the same attitude to clubs as what you say women do. However it cuts both ways, if all you ever have involved the other clubs in is fundraising attempts and never been part of the broader decision making then it does create a them and us mentality. This is about breaking down the barriers and getting people to work together towards common goals. I am not saying there won't be issues along the way and it will take some time to bed down but its the right thing to do.
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Paring it back and stating it bluntly - saying "the GAA was always going to get the best people, either men or women" is basically a nice way of saying that those currently instead involved in Camogie or LGFA don't have as much to bring to the table, because they're not as good in the first place. Therefore, the ones currently involved in GAA will be the ones people expect to keep the entire show running going forward, instead of just the elements they look after right now.
But leaving that aside for the moment and going back to the recent example from my own place -
Some 25 to 30 GAA players were involved in ticket sales and other elements of organisation. Just three camogie/ladies football players got involved, and to a far lesser extent than their male counterparts, despite several group texts, direct phone calls, and even face-to-face conversations. This also despite how they already enjoy close to 50% usage of our current facilities, and will no doubt have some 50% usage of the new development too.
Maybe this is an outlier and things are nowhere near as bad in other places, but this is a real issue here. There's far too much attitude of "sure the men's side of things look after all that, and all we have to do is just turn up to play."" That's pretty shocking tbh Pikeman. If it's the competition I'm thinking of all the ticket sellers at the Park the last couple of years were fellas alright.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16279 - 12/06/2025 15:58:02
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