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Replying To tirawleybaron: "There are a lot of reasons why only 7k turned out.
1. Beach weather - might be the only sunny Sunday all year in Mayo - kids had to go to the beach
2. Cavan (a weakened version of them) was supposed to be a straight forward win at home (nothing to see here) for a top 8 team.
3. Too may matches in a short space of time, with the best two games in the group away, and (had they beaten Cavan) a likely prelim q final also. €30 a ticket for adults every two week (and €100 by the time you add in fuel, sweets/food for the kids etc)
4. Performances to date - I have been bringing my kids (aged 7&9) to Mayo matches since the q final v Dublin in 2023. They have watched as Mayo threw away a lead v Galway () & Dublin, lost to Derry last year. Then I tortured them more making them watch Mayo lose to Dublin, draw with Tyrone and get hammered by Galway in the league, before they finally got to see their first Mayo win V Donegal (their 2nd team). I then brought them to the Connacht final for more torture.
Mayos record in McHale park is so poor, the above is what you get from going to see Mayo in McHale park generally. I's say a lot of families thought it better to go to the beach than torture their kids in McHale park.
As for the other stuff.
There is trouble in the camp - 5 players walking away for this season (not retiring) speaks for itself.
COC always lead the Mayo team in standards as he is the most competitive guy on the panel. He didn't walk away (and not retire) for no reason.
Mayo no longer give it their all in every match - they switch off for long periods and cannot put two good performances back to back. Just like they were in the 2000's. It must be hard for those that are used to high standards to play under a management team that don't hold players to those kind of standards.
On a hot day, playing running football (as highlighted so eloquently by Carney), Mayo delayed their substitutions until they were getting overwhelmed.
Of the starting 6 forwards, only one scored from play before the 70th minute (don't even start on why there was no hooter - there must be only 7 of them in the whole country that get moved around) and no one thought it was a good idea to make a change until the 58th minute.
If your an intercounty forward, playing under these rules and the wind behind you, you would want your hole kicked if you cant get a score in 55mins of football, wind or no wind.
As for adapting to rules, in almost all the games I have been to this year, I have seen some sort of clever innovation from the opposition, but never from Mayo. They have only just got the hang of the 3 point rule in the last month ffs.
Saying all that, its all set up for Mayo to go up to Omagh, throw off the shackles and pull off a win. If they do, its because they will have dumped the current set of tactics. If they stick to the slow handpassing game away to Tyrone and Donegal - both matches will end up in 10 point defeats." Were any of the 5 players certain starter's? I don't think so. COC best days were behind him. O Hora would not be first choice in the backs anymore, James Carr never really nailed down a starting place. I'm not sure who else you had in mind
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Replying To eoinog: "Were any of the 5 players certain starter's? I don't think so. COC best days were behind him. O Hora would not be first choice in the backs anymore, James Carr never really nailed down a starting place. I'm not sure who else you had in mind" James Carr had a lot of injuries but he is missed . O Hora is a starter. Cillian still has plenty to offer scored 1/8 for his club in the last few weeks .
Mcstays time is up . This loss is totally on management.
How Rochford got back in is beyond me . he game a guy said to me he asked Rochford what's with the style of play and Rochford just stuck his two fingers up to him a disgrace
Time for them to go.
S1234 (Mayo) - Posts: 168 - 21/05/2025 09:16:49
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Replying To eoinog: "Were any of the 5 players certain starter's? I don't think so. COC best days were behind him. O Hora would not be first choice in the backs anymore, James Carr never really nailed down a starting place. I'm not sure who else you had in mind" You're right, those were not certain starters. But the point is still valid, 4 or 5 players, whether they be squad players or starters walking away from the squad is not a positive sign, particularly high profile players such as COC and O Hora.
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Replying To Cbar: "You're right, those were not certain starters. But the point is still valid, 4 or 5 players, whether they be squad players or starters walking away from the squad is not a positive sign, particularly high profile players such as COC and O Hora." It par for course I think Galway have had similar amount of last years panel do same but no big deal made of
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Replying To Cbar: "You're right, those were not certain starters. But the point is still valid, 4 or 5 players, whether they be squad players or starters walking away from the squad is not a positive sign, particularly high profile players such as COC and O Hora." Mayo just haven't been able to replace the likes of Keegan, Barrett, Higgins and Boyle. Durcan and O'Connor have had injury troubles and are in the twighlight of their careers. That's 6 colossal players and the spine of a brilliant team in their prime. The management ticket looked liked too many chiefs at the begining and maybe that's how it played out. Wasn't a great sign when McHale parted ways as him and Kevin would have always worked well together.
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Replying To S1234: "James Carr had a lot of injuries but he is missed . O Hora is a starter. Cillian still has plenty to offer scored 1/8 for his club in the last few weeks .
Mcstays time is up . This loss is totally on management.
How Rochford got back in is beyond me . he game a guy said to me he asked Rochford what's with the style of play and Rochford just stuck his two fingers up to him a disgrace
Time for them to go." Proof read your messages,they make no sense
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Replying To FullOfPorter: "Mayo just haven't been able to replace the likes of Keegan, Barrett, Higgins and Boyle. Durcan and O'Connor have had injury troubles and are in the twighlight of their careers. That's 6 colossal players and the spine of a brilliant team in their prime. The management ticket looked liked too many chiefs at the begining and maybe that's how it played out. Wasn't a great sign when McHale parted ways as him and Kevin would have always worked well together." Higgins and Boyle last stopped being starters in 2019. Barrett last started in 2020.
James Horan put together a much changed team in 2020 and 2021 and got us two Connacht titles and two all Ireland final appearances.
As I said on here a few weeks ago, not one established player has kicked on to a new level under this management team but several have gone the other direction. While any new players brought through have largely stagnated or regressed.
Whether we have the players to win an All Ireland is unlikely but that doesn't alter the fact that we are seriously underperforming at the moment.
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 457 - 21/05/2025 13:08:47
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Replying To jm25: "It par for course I think Galway have had similar amount of last years panel do same but no big deal made of" Is it par for course? I am sure that it did happen in the past, I personally can't remember it happening that 4 or 5 left the Mayo panel.
Cbar (Mayo) - Posts: 358 - 21/05/2025 14:30:12
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Replying To MayoDan: "Higgins and Boyle last stopped being starters in 2019. Barrett last started in 2020.
James Horan put together a much changed team in 2020 and 2021 and got us two Connacht titles and two all Ireland final appearances.
As I said on here a few weeks ago, not one established player has kicked on to a new level under this management team but several have gone the other direction. While any new players brought through have largely stagnated or regressed.
Whether we have the players to win an All Ireland is unlikely but that doesn't alter the fact that we are seriously underperforming at the moment." Absolutely 100% agree - its the underperforming and indeed regression year on year.
Cbar (Mayo) - Posts: 358 - 21/05/2025 14:32:42
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Replying To Cbar: "You're right, those were not certain starters. But the point is still valid, 4 or 5 players, whether they be squad players or starters walking away from the squad is not a positive sign, particularly high profile players such as COC and O Hora." I think the biggest story was when McHale walked away. I don't think he was on board with what was going on. Then 5 players suddenly walk away, sooner or later we will find out what was going on. McStay has been a disaster for Mayo. I would love to hear from men and women that served under him in the military, I sure hope he was better at that than managing a football team.
cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 530 - 21/05/2025 15:16:44
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Replying To MayoDan: "Higgins and Boyle last stopped being starters in 2019. Barrett last started in 2020.
James Horan put together a much changed team in 2020 and 2021 and got us two Connacht titles and two all Ireland final appearances.
As I said on here a few weeks ago, not one established player has kicked on to a new level under this management team but several have gone the other direction. While any new players brought through have largely stagnated or regressed.
Whether we have the players to win an All Ireland is unlikely but that doesn't alter the fact that we are seriously underperforming at the moment." Excellent post. It seems to me that the game plan is to get the ball to Ryan O'Donoghue for him to score. The amount of open shots that Mayo turn down is astonishing. Mayo forwards look like they're running track at times, surprised they don't get dizzy. For years I've been asking for the ball to be kicked into the square to O'Shea and the only time we done it on Sunday it ended up in the Cavan net. Mayo sideline has been our problem for years.
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As Klopp said we he walked through the doors of Anfield, "it's not so important what people think when you come in, it's much more important what people think when you leave"
Are we any better than we are three years ago? Absolutely not, we are much worse in fact. Players have to take blame but the reality is the buck stops with the management. Just look at Donegal, about as useful as a chocolate teapot without McGuinness.
Look at the difference when he comes back. Interesting to note the Rochford connection there too.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11584 - 21/05/2025 15:41:29
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McStay used to rave on about Mayos use of Aiden O Shea and our forward play in general. He has previously complained of the lack of a kicking game and the teams attitude in league finals etc.
Yet somehow is watches over all of the failings he used to highlight and then makes excuses for them. Either he has changed his mind on football in the past 3 years or else he hasn't the authority or will to go out and change the problems that he used to be able to see and presumably still can.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1018/1172365-kevin-mcstay-aidan-oshea-unmarkable-against-galway/
https://www.mayonews.ie/news/sport/1144887/slow-start-could-prove-costly-for-mayo-says-kevin-mcstay.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-change-needs-to-happen-in-the-mayo-dressing-room-and-across-the-county-1.4672608
Alternatively, someone else was writing his columns all those years and he lost that persons phone number.
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Replying To cluichethar: "I think the biggest story was when McHale walked away. I don't think he was on board with what was going on. Then 5 players suddenly walk away, sooner or later we will find out what was going on. McStay has been a disaster for Mayo. I would love to hear from men and women that served under him in the military, I sure hope he was better at that than managing a football team." Not sure where that '5' referred to a couple of times here has come from.
I'd have thought it'd be 7, 8 or 10 depending on the specific context.
We had 7 opt-outs before potential selection last year (Cillian O'Connor, Pádraig O'Hora, Rory Byrne, James Carr, Aaron McDonnell, Conor McStay and Michael Plunkett), 1 late opt-out this year following the pre-season (Robert Hennelly) & 2 opt-outs from the previous year (Aidan Orme & Fionn McDonagh).
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Replying To yew_tree: "As Klopp said we he walked through the doors of Anfield, "it's not so important what people think when you come in, it's much more important what people think when you leave"
Are we any better than we are three years ago? Absolutely not, we are much worse in fact. Players have to take blame but the reality is the buck stops with the management. Just look at Donegal, about as useful as a chocolate teapot without McGuinness.
Look at the difference when he comes back. Interesting to note the Rochford connection there too." Ya - Rochford, he won plaudits for bringing Corofin to club AI and for Mayos performances in 2016 and 2017 finals.
But he has done nothing since which makes you question how much credit should he get for those achievements... it was effectively Horans team after all.
We are in a similar position to where Donegal were 2 years ago. They went down to Clare and I thought they would be bet after getting relegated in the league.
Unfortunately we don't have a Jim McG to fly in and save the day but it shows that with the right management, things can change very quickly.... I might dust off the CV.
Has Noel Connelly ever expressed an interest in coming back? I would be surprised if he did - I am just curious.
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Replying To MayoDan: "Higgins and Boyle last stopped being starters in 2019. Barrett last started in 2020.
James Horan put together a much changed team in 2020 and 2021 and got us two Connacht titles and two all Ireland final appearances.
As I said on here a few weeks ago, not one established player has kicked on to a new level under this management team but several have gone the other direction. While any new players brought through have largely stagnated or regressed.
Whether we have the players to win an All Ireland is unlikely but that doesn't alter the fact that we are seriously underperforming at the moment." Among the best traits of a Horan managed Mayo team was how fit,conditioned and motivated they were.
Worst thing to say about any Division 1 team is that they don't look fit or motivated. 70 minutes played on Sunday Cavan 8 points ahead, they ran a Mayo side off the pitch that didn't look fit and motivated.
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