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Replying To mick2007:  "Taking last nights match in isolation, it was a mismatch in terms to pace, power, scoreline and general football ability so if you call that bashing well so be it…even someone like you couldn't argue with that…… more worryingly for everyone is the fact that apart from Beggan, McCarthy and jack as an impact sub there's nobody else anywhere near the required intercounty standard on show last night so I certainly don't envy Brannigans job…dominating the local club scene in what's the worst standard of club championship in the last 20 years isn't helping anyone…"
100% agree. I've been scoffed at on this sub for trying to put a finger on what's going wrong in Monaghan football but the fact is that we're about to enter some lean, lean years.

Our clubs scene is atrocious at the minute - jerseys for old men everywhere, almost every club is relying on hero's who were fantastic 15 years ago but really and truly should have moved on by now.

When Monaghan football was on the rise during Banty's first time and when malachy came in at first you had Magheracloone, Latton, Clontibret, Ballybay, Harps, Scotstown and to a certain extent Blayney and Donamoyne all flying with big numbers, exciting young talent and good representation on the county team - now you have Scotstown with 7-9 men on the county team, winning the senior championship at a canter and getting obliterated by youth and speed once they get out into open waters.

Facts are facts, at all level's of adult football, across all of the clubs there's been a massive decline in the quantity AND quality of good young footballers coming through.

Where's the next Conor, Darren/Kieran, Tommy/Damien, the wylies, Duffys, etc?..

Div.3 awaits.

Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 178 - 25/11/2024 09:37:10    2581115

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Replying To Jjoniel79:  "100% agree. I've been scoffed at on this sub for trying to put a finger on what's going wrong in Monaghan football but the fact is that we're about to enter some lean, lean years.

Our clubs scene is atrocious at the minute - jerseys for old men everywhere, almost every club is relying on hero's who were fantastic 15 years ago but really and truly should have moved on by now.

When Monaghan football was on the rise during Banty's first time and when malachy came in at first you had Magheracloone, Latton, Clontibret, Ballybay, Harps, Scotstown and to a certain extent Blayney and Donamoyne all flying with big numbers, exciting young talent and good representation on the county team - now you have Scotstown with 7-9 men on the county team, winning the senior championship at a canter and getting obliterated by youth and speed once they get out into open waters.

Facts are facts, at all level's of adult football, across all of the clubs there's been a massive decline in the quantity AND quality of good young footballers coming through.

Where's the next Conor, Darren/Kieran, Tommy/Damien, the wylies, Duffys, etc?..

Div.3 awaits."
You do realise we won 2 Minor Ulster titles in 18/19, got to the final in 2020, reached our first men's All Ireland Final in god knows how many years in 2022 at Minor level. There's more talent in the county than ever before.

MonaghanMan44life (Monaghan) - Posts: 17 - 25/11/2024 09:55:30    2581123

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Replying To Jjoniel79:  "100% agree. I've been scoffed at on this sub for trying to put a finger on what's going wrong in Monaghan football but the fact is that we're about to enter some lean, lean years.

Our clubs scene is atrocious at the minute - jerseys for old men everywhere, almost every club is relying on hero's who were fantastic 15 years ago but really and truly should have moved on by now.

When Monaghan football was on the rise during Banty's first time and when malachy came in at first you had Magheracloone, Latton, Clontibret, Ballybay, Harps, Scotstown and to a certain extent Blayney and Donamoyne all flying with big numbers, exciting young talent and good representation on the county team - now you have Scotstown with 7-9 men on the county team, winning the senior championship at a canter and getting obliterated by youth and speed once they get out into open waters.

Facts are facts, at all level's of adult football, across all of the clubs there's been a massive decline in the quantity AND quality of good young footballers coming through.

Where's the next Conor, Darren/Kieran, Tommy/Damien, the wylies, Duffys, etc?..

Div.3 awaits."
Does have a dominant club in senior club at provincial level mean anything? Kilcoo are a top, top side and have dominated Down club scene for 10 years when Down have been generally poor for the same period of time. Sure Down have improved gradually in the past couple of years under Laverty but I would say that is more down to them having the right manager in place. Sometimes a powerful club team can help boost a county side but there isn't hard evidence that there is a direct link. Donegal clubs are generally less competitive in ulster than Monaghan clubs, yet Donegal are ulster senior champions. While it can help a bit it doesn't mean a whole lot.

Scotstown's dominance will take a hit in next few years as they have quite a few aging stars. Same with Ballybay. Everything is cyclical. I think we'll enter a period where other Monaghan senior club teams will be more challengers in next 4 to 5 years for the Monaghan senior championship.

The county's senior team's fortune will depend more on the choice of manager (not sure about this) and the players coming through from underage (which I am very optimistic about). Monaghan's current fallow period is sort of predictable based on talent that was coming through under-age e.g. for 4 years from 2017 to 2020 Monaghan won one game in Ulster U21/U20 championship (and that was against Antrim). The core of a county senior team should be players in their mid to late 20's as that is typically when players are approaching their peak or at their peak. That age group corresponds with with 4 years of underachieving under 20 teams where we've got a handful of players who made the breakthrough and established themselves.

sleater (Monaghan) - Posts: 163 - 25/11/2024 12:06:04    2581153

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Replying To mick2007:  "Hey pal, you need to accept the harsh truth which is another year with no ulster title…I deal in facts, something you struggle to accept which is why you throw the rattle out of the pram on here.. another thing I grew up admiring and watching the great scotstown teams of the 80s and early 90s, respected by everyone within the county and further afield…"
Mick… if we all got a euro every time you referenced the 80s and "miserable failure" , " fergie" "McCurrin" . It goes on and on..

Like a broken record .. another year no Ulster title … I would say you have posted at least 30 posts this year with the references above.

I'm not throwing nothing out of the pram. Just calling you out for what you are …

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 662 - 25/11/2024 12:12:17    2581156

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Replying To sleater:  "Does have a dominant club in senior club at provincial level mean anything? Kilcoo are a top, top side and have dominated Down club scene for 10 years when Down have been generally poor for the same period of time. Sure Down have improved gradually in the past couple of years under Laverty but I would say that is more down to them having the right manager in place. Sometimes a powerful club team can help boost a county side but there isn't hard evidence that there is a direct link. Donegal clubs are generally less competitive in ulster than Monaghan clubs, yet Donegal are ulster senior champions. While it can help a bit it doesn't mean a whole lot.

Scotstown's dominance will take a hit in next few years as they have quite a few aging stars. Same with Ballybay. Everything is cyclical. I think we'll enter a period where other Monaghan senior club teams will be more challengers in next 4 to 5 years for the Monaghan senior championship.

The county's senior team's fortune will depend more on the choice of manager (not sure about this) and the players coming through from underage (which I am very optimistic about). Monaghan's current fallow period is sort of predictable based on talent that was coming through under-age e.g. for 4 years from 2017 to 2020 Monaghan won one game in Ulster U21/U20 championship (and that was against Antrim). The core of a county senior team should be players in their mid to late 20's as that is typically when players are approaching their peak or at their peak. That age group corresponds with with 4 years of underachieving under 20 teams where we've got a handful of players who made the breakthrough and established themselves."
Exactly. Too any men here lamenting our club scene as if it has a connection to Ulster club.. Donegal prime example and Tyrone senior club teams also. It's about the collective not the individual players. We will see where we are at next April.

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 662 - 25/11/2024 12:15:29    2581157

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Replying To veterngaa:  "Mick… if we all got a euro every time you referenced the 80s and "miserable failure" , " fergie" "McCurrin" . It goes on and on..

Like a broken record .. another year no Ulster title … I would say you have posted at least 30 posts this year with the references above.

I'm not throwing nothing out of the pram. Just calling you out for what you are …"
Counting, handling the truth and understanding what club a man is attached too and where's he's from and generally the whole ethos of the GAA are just some of the things you can't seem to get ur head around… anyway enough of replying to a bar stool baby like urself…

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 545 - 25/11/2024 13:22:35    2581168

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When is the league fixtures released

farneygael3 (Monaghan) - Posts: 81 - 25/11/2024 14:28:19    2581184

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Replying To veterngaa:  "Exactly. Too any men here lamenting our club scene as if it has a connection to Ulster club.. Donegal prime example and Tyrone senior club teams also. It's about the collective not the individual players. We will see where we are at next April."
Look I hope you're right, I'm not for a second saying I hope to see the county team struggle - but when you've the backbone of the county team getting thoroughly gutted in a club match it raises a few concerns.

Time will tell weather I'm being overly critical and concerned.

Additionally I agree with another poster that things are cyclical - clubs fortunes do rise and fall but I personally see it as a bit concerning that nearly all the "heavyweights" over the last 20 years are trending downwards.

Having said that I'd personally love to see the likes of Aughnamullan, Killanny or Donamoyne win a few senior championship's. Would be a well deserved kick up the hole for some of the clubs with bigger populations for resting on their laurels.

Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 178 - 25/11/2024 15:56:04    2581196

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Jack McCurrin should have chosen Errigal Ciaran when he had the chance.

younggun08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 39 - 25/11/2024 16:29:50    2581200

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Replying To mick2007:  "Counting, handling the truth and understanding what club a man is attached too and where's he's from and generally the whole ethos of the GAA are just some of the things you can't seem to get ur head around… anyway enough of replying to a bar stool baby like urself…"
Well we know know you are still living in the 80s and the laughing stock of this forum … I think a wee scotstown women's rejected you when you were a garsun…

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 662 - 25/11/2024 16:41:21    2581205

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Replying To Jjoniel79:  "Look I hope you're right, I'm not for a second saying I hope to see the county team struggle - but when you've the backbone of the county team getting thoroughly gutted in a club match it raises a few concerns.

Time will tell weather I'm being overly critical and concerned.

Additionally I agree with another poster that things are cyclical - clubs fortunes do rise and fall but I personally see it as a bit concerning that nearly all the "heavyweights" over the last 20 years are trending downwards.

Having said that I'd personally love to see the likes of Aughnamullan, Killanny or Donamoyne win a few senior championship's. Would be a well deserved kick up the hole for some of the clubs with bigger populations for resting on their laurels."
Good point. Monaghan harps .. Blayney… Carrick… they should take a long hard look at themselves

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 662 - 25/11/2024 16:42:36    2581206

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Replying To veterngaa:  "Well we know know you are still living in the 80s and the laughing stock of this forum … I think a wee scotstown women's rejected you when you were a garsun…"
I'm the laughing stock of this forum lol you have provided great entertainment over the last 12 months on here… now run home to mammy and stick on Johnny Logan's classic "what's another year" …

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 545 - 25/11/2024 17:21:24    2581216

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Replying To veterngaa:  "Good point. Monaghan harps .. Blayney… Carrick… they should take a long hard look at themselves"
Truagh, Emyvale, Magheracloone too. Scotstowns average age including the bench is pretty embarrassing too considering they've a small country of 20 something year olds in their ranks.

Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 178 - 25/11/2024 17:46:16    2581220

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Replying To farneygael3:  "When is the league fixtures released"
Not sure when all released, but first game is away to Cavan.

currinman (Monaghan) - Posts: 41 - 25/11/2024 17:53:08    2581221

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Replying To mick2007:  "I'm the laughing stock of this forum lol you have provided great entertainment over the last 12 months on here… now run home to mammy and stick on Johnny Logan's classic "what's another year" …"
Showing your true colours again.. envious of the blues! I don't know what world you live in!

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 662 - 25/11/2024 18:21:50    2581226

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