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hillman you are portraying drinking at games as just being a rugby issue -it isnt it happens at a lot of sports --but you dont mention that, and i can guarantee you if the gaa let people into stands or terraces with drink it will become an issue there . I have been at games in gaelic grounds wher pub accross the road would be packed before the game, same with croke park the pubs going up dorset st be packed inside and outside before the game, same in thules for musnter championship games You go to horse racing fellas do be drinking at it (me a kids spend the day between parade ring,jockeys room and course dont go near bookies or bars) , same for soccer, look at the darts of the christmas (an i thought i was overdressed going to limerick games with a flag round me)
I was at that maori game and almost , same as all the munster games this year, the majority were there to watch the game and support the team, If it was just a social occasion there would have been no cheering at the haka , when musnter scored or a tackle made or when munster attacked the atmosphere was racous that night, but was 5 times that on saturday. the majority of the crowd knew the permutations and importance of the result hence the tension, terraces were full about 40 mins before ko
REgarding the drink -while i aint teetotal -My view dont let it into the stands or terraces - its a nuisance especially if you are in the stand with people going to and fro and you watching the game, keep it to the bar areas -really hope the gaa keep it out of the stands and terraces, If you wanna drink and watch a game - do it at home or in the pub
no such issues at mcgrath cup final with drinking in stand - great game small crowd - their loss was fine game
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:1005 - 24/01/2017 10:01:41There is plenty of drink and people drinking in terraces and stands at GAA games. people will always drink if they can at all.
I work at games and see absolutely no problem with people drinking at their seats or the terraces. Means much less problems than just having people drinking in stadium bars.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/01/2017 14:11:03
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "hillman you are portraying drinking at games as just being a rugby issue -it isnt it happens at a lot of sports --but you dont mention that, and i can guarantee you if the gaa let people into stands or terraces with drink it will become an issue there . I have been at games in gaelic grounds wher pub accross the road would be packed before the game, same with croke park the pubs going up dorset st be packed inside and outside before the game, same in thules for musnter championship games You go to horse racing fellas do be drinking at it (me a kids spend the day between parade ring,jockeys room and course dont go near bookies or bars) , same for soccer, look at the darts of the christmas (an i thought i was overdressed going to limerick games with a flag round me)
I was at that maori game and almost , same as all the munster games this year, the majority were there to watch the game and support the team, If it was just a social occasion there would have been no cheering at the haka , when musnter scored or a tackle made or when munster attacked the atmosphere was racous that night, but was 5 times that on saturday. the majority of the crowd knew the permutations and importance of the result hence the tension, terraces were full about 40 mins before ko
REgarding the drink -while i aint teetotal -My view dont let it into the stands or terraces - its a nuisance especially if you are in the stand with people going to and fro and you watching the game, keep it to the bar areas -really hope the gaa keep it out of the stands and terraces, If you wanna drink and watch a game - do it at home or in the pub
no such issues at mcgrath cup final with drinking in stand - great game small crowd - their loss was fine game
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:1005 - 24/01/2017 10:01:41There is plenty of drink and people drinking in terraces and stands at GAA games. people will always drink if they can at all.
I work at games and see absolutely no problem with people drinking at their seats or the terraces. Means much less problems than just having people drinking in stadium bars." WRONG ORMO. No drinking allowed in the terraces/stands at GAA matches. You need to get a grasp of reality.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 24/01/2017 14:33:37
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Drinking alcohol is allowed in the stands and terraces at Rugby matches. It is not allowed at GAA or Soccer.
This a fact regardless of whether you agree or disagree.
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12440 - 24/01/2017 14:50:09
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "hillman you are portraying drinking at games as just being a rugby issue -it isnt it happens at a lot of sports --but you dont mention that, and i can guarantee you if the gaa let people into stands or terraces with drink it will become an issue there . I have been at games in gaelic grounds wher pub accross the road would be packed before the game, same with croke park the pubs going up dorset st be packed inside and outside before the game, same in thules for musnter championship games You go to horse racing fellas do be drinking at it (me a kids spend the day between parade ring,jockeys room and course dont go near bookies or bars) , same for soccer, look at the darts of the christmas (an i thought i was overdressed going to limerick games with a flag round me)
I was at that maori game and almost , same as all the munster games this year, the majority were there to watch the game and support the team, If it was just a social occasion there would have been no cheering at the haka , when musnter scored or a tackle made or when munster attacked the atmosphere was racous that night, but was 5 times that on saturday. the majority of the crowd knew the permutations and importance of the result hence the tension, terraces were full about 40 mins before ko
REgarding the drink -while i aint teetotal -My view dont let it into the stands or terraces - its a nuisance especially if you are in the stand with people going to and fro and you watching the game, keep it to the bar areas -really hope the gaa keep it out of the stands and terraces, If you wanna drink and watch a game - do it at home or in the pub
no such issues at mcgrath cup final with drinking in stand - great game small crowd - their loss was fine game
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:1005 - 24/01/2017 10:01:41There is plenty of drink and people drinking in terraces and stands at GAA games. people will always drink if they can at all.
I work at games and see absolutely no problem with people drinking at their seats or the terraces. Means much less problems than just having people drinking in stadium bars." Haven't you said previously that you and your colleagues are regularly abused when stewarding at Connacht rugby games and that you often have to get supporters thrown out for bad behaviour?
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 24/01/2017 14:52:36
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Replying To Soma: " Replying To ormondbannerman: "hillman you are portraying drinking at games as just being a rugby issue -it isnt it happens at a lot of sports --but you dont mention that, and i can guarantee you if the gaa let people into stands or terraces with drink it will become an issue there . I have been at games in gaelic grounds wher pub accross the road would be packed before the game, same with croke park the pubs going up dorset st be packed inside and outside before the game, same in thules for musnter championship games You go to horse racing fellas do be drinking at it (me a kids spend the day between parade ring,jockeys room and course dont go near bookies or bars) , same for soccer, look at the darts of the christmas (an i thought i was overdressed going to limerick games with a flag round me)
I was at that maori game and almost , same as all the munster games this year, the majority were there to watch the game and support the team, If it was just a social occasion there would have been no cheering at the haka , when musnter scored or a tackle made or when munster attacked the atmosphere was racous that night, but was 5 times that on saturday. the majority of the crowd knew the permutations and importance of the result hence the tension, terraces were full about 40 mins before ko
REgarding the drink -while i aint teetotal -My view dont let it into the stands or terraces - its a nuisance especially if you are in the stand with people going to and fro and you watching the game, keep it to the bar areas -really hope the gaa keep it out of the stands and terraces, If you wanna drink and watch a game - do it at home or in the pub
no such issues at mcgrath cup final with drinking in stand - great game small crowd - their loss was fine game
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:1005 - 24/01/2017 10:01:41There is plenty of drink and people drinking in terraces and stands at GAA games. people will always drink if they can at all.
I work at games and see absolutely no problem with people drinking at their seats or the terraces. Means much less problems than just having people drinking in stadium bars." Haven't you said previously that you and your colleagues are regularly abused when stewarding at Connacht rugby games and that you often have to get supporters thrown out for bad behaviour?"
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 24/01/2017 15:16:12
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Bennybunny and breiffni - i think the point ormond is making is that fellas smuggle it in, ive seen it myself at games very rare though like rugby the vast majority go to watch the game
bringing drink into the stands and terraces is banned in thomond according to programme, signs around ground and matchday info notices on website- but hasnt been enforced.
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 24/01/2017 15:44:17
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I have had people having goes at me and other people working with me however i dont think banning drink is needed. The worst issues always involved people who hadnt drank a drop of booze.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/01/2017 16:04:20
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No drink at games, it's bad enough people going in and out like a yo yo for tea and food every 5 mins never mind having to go to the toilet after every pint of alcohol, if you want to watch a game and enjoy a drink there are plenty of pubs around, anyway we all know what happens when too much alcohol is drank people start getting abusive and arguments start and sadly kids and innocent bystanders can get caught up in fights. Keep the alcohol ban in place
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 24/01/2017 16:16:29
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Replying To janesboro: "Bennybunny and breiffni - i think the point ormond is making is that fellas smuggle it in, ive seen it myself at games very rare though like rugby the vast majority go to watch the game
bringing drink into the stands and terraces is banned in thomond according to programme, signs around ground and matchday info notices on website- but hasnt been enforced." He's constantly suggesting the drinking is at the same level and it absolutely is not.
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12440 - 24/01/2017 16:16:48
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "I have had people having goes at me and other people working with me however i dont think banning drink is needed. The worst issues always involved people who hadnt drank a drop of booze." Haha imagine that, maybe drinking should be made compulsory so!
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 24/01/2017 16:29:41
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People that tell lies have no memory.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts:3361 - 24/01/2017 15:16:12Oh go away. If you are going to join the debate debate the issues and not simply post a one line off topic insult.
Bennybunny and breiffni - i think the point ormond is making is that fellas smuggle it in, ive seen it myself at games very rare though like rugby the vast majority go to watch the game
bringing drink into the stands and terraces is banned in thomond according to programme, signs around ground and matchday info notices on website- but hasnt been enforced.
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:1007 - 24/01/2017 15:44:17Bringing glass will be banned but drink isnt actually banned in the most part in most grounds as there isnt issues
And yes that is the point i was making. There is always people with drink at games in Croke Park and other GAA grounds. Ive never done it as wouldnt like it but for all big tipp hurling games there is buses arranged and people in their teens/20s go to game together drinking cans on bus and bring more into ground especially if theyre on the hill. And if it happens in tipp it happens in every other county
No drink at games, it's bad enough people going in and out like a yo yo for tea and food every 5 mins never mind having to go to the toilet after every pint of alcohol, if you want to watch a game and enjoy a drink there are plenty of pubs around, anyway we all know what happens when too much alcohol is drank people start getting abusive and arguments start and sadly kids and innocent bystanders can get caught up in fights. Keep the alcohol ban in place
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts:830 - 24/01/2017 16:16:29Thats such a limited mind conservative decision. Surely people can go out and enjoy themselves at a game. If they cause trouble they are asked to leave.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/01/2017 16:44:33
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He's constantly suggesting the drinking is at the same level and it absolutely is not.
Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts:10807 - 24/01/2017 16:16:48
from my experience it is not at the same level - but i do think and (could be wrong) if liquor was allowed into the stadiums it probably would be , so id prefer it stays banned
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 24/01/2017 16:50:46
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https://twitter.com/ASMOfficiel
have a look at the clermont twitter feed lads- michael murphy over there now - mind you the first all black captain was a donegal man!!
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 24/01/2017 17:01:15
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Rugby competitions are sponsered by Alcohol companies eg Guiness Autumn series, Guiness Pro 12, Heineken cup (Euro cup now). It stands to reason that they will want their product on sale and available at the matches.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2625 - 24/01/2017 20:04:22
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Replying To janesboro: "He's constantly suggesting the drinking is at the same level and it absolutely is not.
Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts:10807 - 24/01/2017 16:16:48
from my experience it is not at the same level - but i do think and (could be wrong) if liquor was allowed into the stadiums it probably would be , so id prefer it stays banned" but the crucial thing is its not...he is arguing its the same..its not an opinion its a fact that its nowhere near on the same level in other sports due to the rules at the stadium....if irish people/british people were allowed bring drink in to another sport we would obviously as there is a huge drinking culture in the countries but the fact is there is rules there to prevent it..the drink culture is much bigger in rugby due to the rules and the sponsorship
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 25/01/2017 00:57:47
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Replying To alano12: "but the crucial thing is its not...he is arguing its the same..its not an opinion its a fact that its nowhere near on the same level in other sports due to the rules at the stadium....if irish people/british people were allowed bring drink in to another sport we would obviously as there is a huge drinking culture in the countries but the fact is there is rules there to prevent it..the drink culture is much bigger in rugby due to the rules and the sponsorship" exactly. And they can keep it that way too.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 25/01/2017 11:18:36
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There were no public bars in Croke Park up until fairly recently. Why don't they allow drinking in the stands? Would bring in more money to the GAA. Either that or go back to no bars. How come they sell beer at GAA games even though they're not sponsored by a beer company ? Will there be stands at the National League games selling insurance because they're sponsored by Allianz? Rugby has had bars inside the old Landswowne Road ground for years but twenty years ago you couldn't brink alcohol into the seats. It was encouraged and they made money. Have never been in The Aviva. Can you bring alcohol, bought in the grounds, to your seats? At club level Rugby, Soccer, GAA and other sports would not survive without sponsorship from local pubs.
If someone sits beside me at a match in Croker and is drinking a bottle of beer he got past officials, and well-behaved it's not bothering me. If some young lad sits beside ne after drinking cans for 3 hours on the bus up to the match and thinks he's funny cos he's pissed even though he can't be / wasn't served alcohol in the ground cos he's underage, swearing to impress his mates, I won't be happy. He's drinking cans because of peer pressure not because he woke up and says 'I think I'll drink this beer because they're sponsoring a sporting organisation'. No more than he'll say ' I won't go out with my mates because I don't much care for beer because they've sensibly decided not to sponsor sporting organisations and promote alcohol abuse.'
So either ban the sale of alcohol at all sporting occasions, which would seriously impact revenue. Or get an alcohol sponsor, who makes a commitment and is accountable, to encourage responsible drinking, and promote that message in our schools, to sponsor games, GAA, Rugby, Soccer etc. Then make some money from people drinking responsibly at game that we can all enjoy and not be ruined by the few who are intoxicated.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8152 - 25/01/2017 13:16:26
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Replying To GreenandRed: "There were no public bars in Croke Park up until fairly recently. Why don't they allow drinking in the stands? Would bring in more money to the GAA. Either that or go back to no bars. How come they sell beer at GAA games even though they're not sponsored by a beer company ? Will there be stands at the National League games selling insurance because they're sponsored by Allianz? Rugby has had bars inside the old Landswowne Road ground for years but twenty years ago you couldn't brink alcohol into the seats. It was encouraged and they made money. Have never been in The Aviva. Can you bring alcohol, bought in the grounds, to your seats? At club level Rugby, Soccer, GAA and other sports would not survive without sponsorship from local pubs.
If someone sits beside me at a match in Croker and is drinking a bottle of beer he got past officials, and well-behaved it's not bothering me. If some young lad sits beside ne after drinking cans for 3 hours on the bus up to the match and thinks he's funny cos he's pissed even though he can't be / wasn't served alcohol in the ground cos he's underage, swearing to impress his mates, I won't be happy. He's drinking cans because of peer pressure not because he woke up and says 'I think I'll drink this beer because they're sponsoring a sporting organisation'. No more than he'll say ' I won't go out with my mates because I don't much care for beer because they've sensibly decided not to sponsor sporting organisations and promote alcohol abuse.'
So either ban the sale of alcohol at all sporting occasions, which would seriously impact revenue. Or get an alcohol sponsor, who makes a commitment and is accountable, to encourage responsible drinking, and promote that message in our schools, to sponsor games, GAA, Rugby, Soccer etc. Then make some money from people drinking responsibly at game that we can all enjoy and not be ruined by the few who are intoxicated." You can't bring alcohol to your seat in Lansdowne for the soccer matches anyway. I'm assuming you can at the rugby cos you can see it on the tv.
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12440 - 25/01/2017 14:02:07
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Replying To GreenandRed: "There were no public bars in Croke Park up until fairly recently. Why don't they allow drinking in the stands? Would bring in more money to the GAA. Either that or go back to no bars. How come they sell beer at GAA games even though they're not sponsored by a beer company ? Will there be stands at the National League games selling insurance because they're sponsored by Allianz? Rugby has had bars inside the old Landswowne Road ground for years but twenty years ago you couldn't brink alcohol into the seats. It was encouraged and they made money. Have never been in The Aviva. Can you bring alcohol, bought in the grounds, to your seats? At club level Rugby, Soccer, GAA and other sports would not survive without sponsorship from local pubs.
If someone sits beside me at a match in Croker and is drinking a bottle of beer he got past officials, and well-behaved it's not bothering me. If some young lad sits beside ne after drinking cans for 3 hours on the bus up to the match and thinks he's funny cos he's pissed even though he can't be / wasn't served alcohol in the ground cos he's underage, swearing to impress his mates, I won't be happy. He's drinking cans because of peer pressure not because he woke up and says 'I think I'll drink this beer because they're sponsoring a sporting organisation'. No more than he'll say ' I won't go out with my mates because I don't much care for beer because they've sensibly decided not to sponsor sporting organisations and promote alcohol abuse.'
So either ban the sale of alcohol at all sporting occasions, which would seriously impact revenue. Or get an alcohol sponsor, who makes a commitment and is accountable, to encourage responsible drinking, and promote that message in our schools, to sponsor games, GAA, Rugby, Soccer etc. Then make some money from people drinking responsibly at game that we can all enjoy and not be ruined by the few who are intoxicated." Very good post.
Personally speaking (as an adult who attends matches either alone or with a bunch of lads), the drinking in the stands doesn't bother me that much (except when surrounded by the lad that drinks 13 cans and is roaring and swearing) - mostly because I join them (ie have pints before and after the game in a pub- outside the stadium).
I understand the revenue argument. This is what the GAA is going for. They were very happy to take the kudos a number of years ago when they stopped alcohol sponsorship for their main championships. On the other hand, they then start selling it in their main stadiums.
I assume that people attend GAA games for the entertainment that the sport offers? If a person needs or wants a drink, then this can be facilitated by watching big games in a pub or at home. You will then be surrounded by others that want exactly the same as you. Is it not possible to have one alcohol free space in society?
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 25/01/2017 14:25:02
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First off I never said alcohol was a rugby only problem, alcohol is a nationwide problem in Ireland. The point that was being made was regarding a match day experience. Now in most sports people drink in pubs or at the bar underneath the terrace or stand, that is completely different to rugbys no frills rule of drink anywhere, as this impacts on other patrons match day experience who have no interest in drinking and want to view the match. If somebody wants to drink that's there choice but when they are disrupting other patrons in doing so by constantly going up and down , spilling alcohol on others and making patrons have to move constantly to let them up and down the steps it's certainly ruins the spectacle for others taken place on the pitch as it becomes harder to actually get to see the action for starters.
It works in croke park if you want to drink you must do so before you come up the steps onto the hill, there is stewards in place to prevent people bringing it up.
surely the sport should come first, it's only 35 minutes a half in gaa, 40 minutes a half in rugby and 45 minutes a half in soccer it's hardly a long period to ask people to stand or sit for without alcohol or if it's too much you can still go down and drink it at the bar and come back up when your done.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/01/2017 17:05:53
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