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Really hope this doesn't set Dublin hurling back any more, strange decisions along with some of the guys he cut last year. He seems fairly clear that they are gone as opposed to having an open training panel like most counties.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2254 - 07/11/2016 19:06:18    1932491

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Woke up today with a "glass half full" look at it. Look its not an ideal situation by any stretch but what if the panel he has now is the panel Cunningham feels suits they style he wants to play. Young fast hurlers. Only Shane Durkin from the lads not there now would add pace. In fact Durkin is a highly under rated hurler. Kelly was a top hurler but how does anyone know if hell get back to the level he was at after the injury? Think he togged out twice for his club, at full forward, this year. Sutcliffe obviously has a big issue with Cunningham and wont be back

But there are still leaders there in Rushe Maguire, Schutte Treacy Dotsy and ODwyer. Some top hurlers in McMorrow Crummey Barrett OCallaghan Odonnell and Mark Schutte. Add in now some fresh blood and some exciting prospects in Whitley Malone Smyth Burke and O'Sullivan in from the minors. Maybe it might work out better then I looks like it will now?

Clutching?

Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 08/11/2016 13:28:26    1932697

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As someone who has played hurling in Dublin...my theory is that you have exactly the same problem that Tipp footballers will have in getting to the top.
Tradition!
I could name 10 top class hurlers in Dublin who choose football. I'm sure Dubs could name a lot more.
I'm convinced the likes of Ciaran Kilkenny, Cormac Costello and Diarmuid Connolly (if they had to choose hurling) would walk on to any hurling team in the country including Kilkenny and Tipp. I've seen all three up close albeit never played against them and both CK and CC are two of the top 4-5 minor hurlers I have seen in the last few years.
You can't continue too loose these players if you want to go to the next level. But unfortunately like Tipp footballers you will not change tradition.
Dublin have some classy players in there but the 3 I've mentioned along with a few more are really top top players

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/11/2016 09:28:02    1932922

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Hurling is my favourite game and I have attended a few of my own counties. I just don't get how they are not well supported. I think it affects the players as well. I suppose certain players dropping hurling to try and break into the football team doesn't help either."
It's the same as every county really. Why isn't hurling being well supported in Mayo? Mayo have some good hurlers.
Why do only a couple of hundred show up for Tipp football matches (at best). It's because they are not fashionable as much as anything. If Tipp won the double this year, you'd still struggle to get more that a few thousand at any of their football games. You can't break tradition.
The best players will nearly always choose the bigger followed team in the county. Declan Browne being the obvious exception. The county boards will always prioritise the club fixtures as will the clubs of the more popular game.
All clubs in North Tipp will pull out their football teams if they are still involved in the hurling, with many teams playing their first football games in Sept/Oct anyway

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/11/2016 10:00:24    1932933

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Replying To Brianmac78:  "Woke up today with a "glass half full" look at it. Look its not an ideal situation by any stretch but what if the panel he has now is the panel Cunningham feels suits they style he wants to play. Young fast hurlers. Only Shane Durkin from the lads not there now would add pace. In fact Durkin is a highly under rated hurler. Kelly was a top hurler but how does anyone know if hell get back to the level he was at after the injury? Think he togged out twice for his club, at full forward, this year. Sutcliffe obviously has a big issue with Cunningham and wont be back

But there are still leaders there in Rushe Maguire, Schutte Treacy Dotsy and ODwyer. Some top hurlers in McMorrow Crummey Barrett OCallaghan Odonnell and Mark Schutte. Add in now some fresh blood and some exciting prospects in Whitley Malone Smyth Burke and O'Sullivan in from the minors. Maybe it might work out better then I looks like it will now?

Clutching?"
You've made me feel slightly more optimistic with that post!

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 09/11/2016 10:15:23    1932940

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Replying To witnof:  "I am with Damo on this. Dublin is one probably the only true Dual County in that nearly every club and every player plays both codes. Many counties that play both have a geographical split with one part of the county playing hurling the other football.

So our lads hurl far less in that 50% of their time is with the big ball."
And those clubs have catchment areas that are roughly size as the population of some counties.

Cully (Laois) - Posts: 375 - 09/11/2016 14:05:55    1933024

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Replying To tiobraid:  "As someone who has played hurling in Dublin...my theory is that you have exactly the same problem that Tipp footballers will have in getting to the top.
Tradition!
I could name 10 top class hurlers in Dublin who choose football. I'm sure Dubs could name a lot more.
I'm convinced the likes of Ciaran Kilkenny, Cormac Costello and Diarmuid Connolly (if they had to choose hurling) would walk on to any hurling team in the country including Kilkenny and Tipp. I've seen all three up close albeit never played against them and both CK and CC are two of the top 4-5 minor hurlers I have seen in the last few years.
You can't continue too loose these players if you want to go to the next level. But unfortunately like Tipp footballers you will not change tradition.
Dublin have some classy players in there but the 3 I've mentioned along with a few more are really top top players"
Difference is, Dublin have a population of over 1.3 million, whereas Tipperary has a population of 160,000. If there's one county that can support both codes, it has to be Dublin.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 09/11/2016 18:27:12    1933116

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Replying To Marlon_JD:  "Difference is, Dublin have a population of over 1.3 million, whereas Tipperary has a population of 160,000. If there's one county that can support both codes, it has to be Dublin."
Dublin has far more sports clubs of different codes to content with. Dublin has far more people who are not Irish and have no knowledge of GAA let alone interest. Dublin has a lot more population who go home to p,as for there local clubs at weekends. The population issue is over played by non Dublin people

Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 09/11/2016 19:24:39    1933140

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Replying To Brianmac78:  "Dublin has far more sports clubs of different codes to content with. Dublin has far more people who are not Irish and have no knowledge of GAA let alone interest. Dublin has a lot more population who go home to p,as for there local clubs at weekends. The population issue is over played by non Dublin people"
So now the population issue is over played by non Dublin people. Few weeks ago when there was discussion bout development money Dublin people on this forum argued that the grants were needed because of the massive population.
Every parish in modern Ireland has teams/clubs offering different sports and activities. You cannot have it both ways lads!

Weary (None) - Posts: 249 - 09/11/2016 20:14:40    1933146

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Replying To Marlon_JD:  "Difference is, Dublin have a population of over 1.3 million, whereas Tipperary has a population of 160,000. If there's one county that can support both codes, it has to be Dublin."
They don't have a population of 1.3 million in GAA terms...I never understand that kind of rubbish.
There's thousands of non Dubs playing GAA in their home counties and a huge amount of foreigners that you won't get in Tipp.
Yes they have a huge number of clubs but your point is poorly made

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 10/11/2016 10:02:19    1933228

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Anyone hear Carton's interview on Off The Ball tonight? Very damning of Cunningham...

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 15/11/2016 20:55:53    1934519

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Replying To keeper7:  "Anyone hear Carton's interview on Off The Ball tonight? Very damning of Cunningham..."
Dark times for Dublin hurling but Carton did the situation no favours by speaking out like he did. If the players want him gone, there are ways to do it. I would suggest however, he has some support as moves would have been made already.

That being said, it has been seen before that when a new manager comes in and seeks to freshen up the team by moving on some of the older heads, it is often met with a backlash.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2696 - 16/11/2016 04:27:42    1934560

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Limerick are the prime example of this."
Ah come on, if you are going to try and get a rise out of someone at least say something some bit factual. School report Lohan - must try harder.

mike03 (Limerick) - Posts: 2000 - 16/11/2016 08:51:47    1934576

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Replying To mike03:  "Ah come on, if you are going to try and get a rise out of someone at least say something some bit factual. School report Lohan - must try harder."
Are you suggesting that Limerick have been successful over the last number of years or that they are not very well funded?

I am confused as I would have thought that the answer is no and yes respectfully and therefore my comment is perfectly valid. I have little time to troll I can assure you.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2696 - 17/11/2016 08:27:17    1934960

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Could we have some Dublin supporters' reactions to Carton's interview?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 17/11/2016 15:06:01    1935100

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Replying To keeper7:  "Could we have some Dublin supporters' reactions to Carton's interview?"
I gave my reaction to the interview on Dubs forum.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 17/11/2016 15:34:51    1935111

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Replying To cuederocket:  "I gave my reaction to the interview on Dubs forum."
A copy & paste will do so!

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 17/11/2016 16:46:02    1935133

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Replying To keeper7:  "A copy & paste will do so!"
I dont know how to copy and paste.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 17/11/2016 16:50:49    1935136

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Dark times for Dublin hurling but Carton did the situation no favours by speaking out like he did. If the players want him gone, there are ways to do it. I would suggest however, he has some support as moves would have been made already.

That being said, it has been seen before that when a new manager comes in and seeks to freshen up the team by moving on some of the older heads, it is often met with a backlash."
That's quiet a few old heads though to cull in a very short space of time.Its hardly like we have a dozen lads waiting in the wings with heaps of under age AIs.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2313 - 17/11/2016 17:03:45    1935144

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Replying To cuederocket:  "I dont know how to copy and paste."
Boo.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 17/11/2016 18:43:14    1935163

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