the president does not get paid by the GAA (directly). He get's paid his salary by his employer which is then reimbursed by the GAA to his employer. the players don't have to give up their jobs. lots of amateur sports people train just as hard as GAA players anyway, however the difference is that GAA is extremely popular with the public and so can generate TV revenue and gate receipts etc etc. this money is ploughed back in to the GAA at grass roots level . now the equality between different counties is a different matter.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 15/03/2016 12:18:14    1835044

The president should be paid if he has to take leave of absence . Likewise players who play at senior inter county level and achieve gate receipts/Income for the GAA. Must have made an exceptional effort and sacrificed career/business/wages. This they should be compensated for . It should be related to 1. How much they generate for the gaa, 2. How much estimated loss they are at. 3. There must be a cap. In fact to prevent future scandal all GAA salaries should be capped at say €50K PA. I am not talking of paying players who get on non achieving teams ( even at Inter Co) and effectively play for their own recreation. It is noteworthy but not meriting a salary.

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 566 - 15/03/2016 12:25:01    1835046

This statement is based on what?? I think it is based on the same values of Marlon....been negative about the GAA in the in thing.
I remember seeing the figures somewhere for the time away from, the KMs per etc for the President, but cannot find.
And remember the GAA Presidents salary is based on the job he left, there is no fixed rate
witnof

May I ask what your denial is based on? Where is the proof that the point isn't accurate? I don't care if it is negative or positive, Im only concerned with the truth. Your assertion that it is negative says more about your own view than mine - it is negative it you don't want to upset the applecart alright. Id consider critical thinking to be a positive actually.

So I ask you, what proof do you have to assert that the president puts in as much or more time and effort than intercounty players and managers?

Ormond, the (sic) comes across as petty and arrogant. Id suggest you drop it.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 15/03/2016 12:41:29    1835055

The Master I clearly stated I could not find the figures.

Whereas you are saying that you can make a statement, that you cannot back up, but I have to PROVE you wrong??? Thing it sums up the point of this thread really, lets just knock something based on perception.

Let me make a statement and you prove it wrong.

'The administrators that get paid for full time roles are NOT over paid and in fact give huge service in reinvesting in our local communities and games, because they are first and foremost GAA people with a love of our games'.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 15/03/2016 13:19:18    1835084

The Master I clearly stated I could not find the figures.
Whereas you are saying that you can make a statement, that you cannot back up, but I have to PROVE you wrong??? Thing it sums up the point of this thread really, lets just knock something based on perception.

Well of course you do, as you are making an assertion the same as I am. You seem to think that this isn't a court of law where Im on trial. Far from it.


Let me make a statement and you prove it wrong.
'The administrators that get paid for full time roles are NOT over paid and in fact give huge service in reinvesting in our local communities and games, because they are first and foremost GAA people with a love of our games'.
witnof

I never made any point about being overpaid. I said they get paid, yet the players and managers put in more time and effort, yet don't get paid.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 15/03/2016 15:37:10    1835145

But Master how can you say managers and players put in more? What factual basis is there for this???

The President himself and someone like Jon Costello in Dublin put in huge hours because they are also normal GAA club members. The GAA games in general owe a lot to these administrators.

So show how they do less? Is this in hours?? KMs?? Working after hours??? Working with Club teams?? There is no basis for your statement. The administrators I know it is a passion and many are not doing GAA stuff only when they sleep.

So explain to me how players are doing more (and don't forget some of the administrators are players themselves)

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 15/03/2016 16:06:34    1835163

I have no issues with administrators getting well paid as without them you cannot have an organisation. However ........and it is a big however.... a lot of GAA administrators seem to be lifers operating very amateur operations. Paid professionals within the organisation must be held to account to professional standards.

e.g. County Secretary is an elected position yet in most counties it seems to be the most important for an operational point of view. Surely the correct structure would be a small executive (amateur), elected by the clubs, who then advertise/recruit for the paid positions. The people that take up the role would not need any gaa background but an administration track record (or finance depending on the role), they should be given goals & objectives and told to get on with it, reporting to the exective on regular basis.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1918 - 15/03/2016 16:39:22    1835181

But Master how can you say managers and players put in more? What factual basis is there for this???

Well that is my opinion. And I have formed after seeing the hours of every day guys have to put in, just like it is your opinion that my point is wrong. Sleeping patterns, diet, preparation for each opponent, gymwork etc etc, and that is before even kicking a ball. While managers have it no easier. What is the president doing that is anywhere near this level of commitment? Attend a few events, make a few speeches and then get paid to watch a games? Come on man. Im not saying we should do away with the president or any role, Im making the point that they don't do a fraction of the workload on players/managers


The President himself and someone like Jon Costello in Dublin put in huge hours because they are also normal GAA club members. The GAA games in general owe a lot to these administrators.

How huge though? Huge is relative. You claim it is as much or more than players/managers. Where is the evidence to support this?


So show how they do less? Is this in hours?? KMs?? Working after hours??? Working with Club teams?? There is no basis for your statement. The administrators I know it is a passion and many are not doing GAA stuff only when they sleep.
So explain to me how players are doing more (and don't forget some of the administrators are players themselves)
witnof

You are just listing out a few standard things that their job entails. I don't see a workload like the players have, or anywhere near it. It looks quite standard. Again I repeat, Im not saying they are slacking, Im saying the players/managers do a lot. I have shown the large workload on players, Im still waiting to see the matching workload on staff like the president. Will you provide that like I have for you?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 15/03/2016 17:06:41    1835189

Master in his 3 years as president Nicky Brennan done 150000 miles in Ireland alone, as well as travelling all over the world representing the organisation. The idea that someone could perform the role while doing their regular job has no basis in reality at all.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 15/03/2016 17:47:51    1835199

You are just listing out a few standard things that their job entails. I don't see a workload like the players have, or anywhere near it. It looks quite standard. Again I repeat, Im not saying they are slacking, Im saying the players/managers do a lot. I have shown the large workload on players, Im still waiting to see the matching workload on staff like the president. Will you provide that like I have for you?

Your arrogance is quite simply out of this world , you do know just because you write something doesn't make it fact , Ive asked before what do YOU KNOW abot the day to day running of a club let alone an organisation , you haven't posted on the How involved are you thread , and that tells a story in itself . Suppose sitting in an Ivory Tower is participating of a sort

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 15/03/2016 17:55:30    1835202

TheMaster I won't post on this thread again, you are doubling down with some of your statements as you realise there is no basis to them at.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 15/03/2016 18:18:57    1835212

Are people here aware that Croke Park and hotel and businesses operating out of it are a private company? Yes with full time paid staff the company is called Pairc Teo look it up. The president is paid, like no one remembers the controversy over a former president paid nearly 400K? now ten years on people getting their knickers in a twist over piddley sums like 156K you'd be lucky to keep two top Dublin Senior club teams going on that.

So people feel doctors and physio's should WORK for nothing? Dieticians and Caterers? Or bus drivers ferrying the GAA teams? How much does Dublin GAA Hurling and Football spend on just coaches for all its squads adult and juvenile? Go on guess? Or maybe hotel accomodation you would be gobsmacked at how much.

Croke Park HQ is a separate entity to the GAA it is a wholly private company no surprises there, managers are paid expenses no surprises there we know all this.

That doesn't mean the sport is professional - it is far far from professional.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 15/03/2016 18:46:27    1835225

Agree Arock
Nothing wrong with having the best amateur organisation in the world run by professionals .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 16/03/2016 11:16:18    1835326

Good post AROCK.

But without players working hard to achieve a professional performance level WITHOUT pay, these people on high salaries would have an empty stadium to look after. The crowd don't buy pricey tickets to look at Doctors, Dieticiens, Bus Drivers, Stadium managers etc.

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 566 - 16/03/2016 11:53:22    1835341

How the hell did Wicklow only spend 200K on their teams. It cost around 100K to keep my club going last year!!

fast_forward (Louth) - Posts: 45 - 16/03/2016 12:35:54    1835357

Look at McCaffrey chasing a dream of becoming a doctor alongside for a few years living the dream of playing for his county side , never complained thought it a privilege , he starts getting paid whoever releases the purse strings has a hold not a tight grip but a hold nonetheless , before you know it contracts , freedom of movement you cant drip feed money into the players , its professionalism or not .
I find it the most ironic thing in the world that county players that I have meet actually get it , and don't chase the buck , lads on here don't get it .
Does McCaffrey or Rory O Carroll feel neglected or that they are missing out no , they have the freedom to opt in or out and also have a life .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 16/03/2016 12:56:01    1835365

lads its pretty simple. if the economics supported it players should be paid. it doesn't! it may in the future but now yet. each match day has approx 50 players togged out. there are only a handful of games sold out each year. you could not possible pay that amount of players with the current gaa income.

as for paying the administrators.....as i said previously i have no issue with this once they do a professional job......and thats the bit i have an issue with i.e. how good a job they are doing. because if they were doing a top notch job i believe that eventually the finances would be there to look after the players a bit better.

proper fixture list/competition structures at all levels. this would allow the game to grow and possible be marketed better etc generating the income etc.... seems simple.......... the problem is everybody gives out about the current set up but no one is prepared to bend any little bit to allow things to change........... tradition is killing us!

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1918 - 16/03/2016 13:42:26    1835383

To the OP,is there a list of who spent what and a ranking from last season?

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 17/03/2016 12:37:56    1835574

We couldn't sustain a league of Ireland style professional game at present, as we currently don't have enough Inter-county games per year to generate sufficient income. Then comes the question of the clubs, and do they lose the Inter-county players who are now essentially contracted to the County team.

In my opinion, under the current conditions, we could not sustain a professional game. If we did try and do that, money that would have previously been shared among the clubs, would probably be dramatically reduced.

I do believe Inter-county players who train like professionals, should receive decent compensation every year for their efforts.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3026 - 18/03/2016 17:42:56    1835827