If you are trying to compare Kerrys run to Munster to Crossmaglens run to Ulster you are being completely ridiculous.

As easy as they find it in Armagh they still have a full year of keeping playersgoing through a full season, county absences whatever else. They then have to go through ulster which you appear to think is a walk in the park. You don't often see them get it easy in any ulster game.

Tough tough route through which they keep achieveing. Not like kerrys one game then an all Ireland final.

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 30/11/2015 13:54:51    1810593

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i dont think so, we are a small club and have a small pick, to be in the senior Division is a great achievement! The Armagh Championship tho isnt as bad as made out tho, Cross are a class act and would win in other Counties as well

youngfella27 (Armagh) - Posts: 110 - 30/11/2015 13:58:04    1810594

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Like to keep a bit of balance on here Mesamis, what's good for the goose is good for the gander etc! Maybe you could look into Crossmaglens club lotto to see if the reasons for their success are down to finance - I remember seeing a club calendar for sale in the petrol station there one year, a type of merchandise expense beyond most small clubs I'd have thought:)

Ha! Brilliant, still seems to be whooping over some people's heads.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13794 - 30/11/2015 14:02:09    1810599

Cheers youngfella for the response. Just thinking back to the early 00s when some prominent Armagh footballers were playing their club football in Dublin and thought it must be partly due to Crossmaglens domination in Armagh. I'd have thought the feeling of trying to topple Crossmaglen is similar to how many county footballers in Leinster feel about Dublin.
Redhand Crossmaglen have won all 11 Ulster finals they have appeared in - that is a type of domination they can only dream of during the long winters in the Kingdom!

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 30/11/2015 14:11:07    1810606

They got lucky yesterday,alot of decisions went for them,should of had Stephen Kernan sent off for striking,and got away with numerous fouls on Darren Hughes without major bookings.

A fine Club no doubt, but this team is not as good as ones in the past,if the semi final was in two weeks against Castlebar they would be well bet,but its not for 3 months so who knows but yesterday they were out played for long spells of the match,and kept in it by the ref.

hardcore (Monaghan) - Posts: 1366 - 30/11/2015 14:13:34    1810607

Cross have always had the ability to win even when playing not up to their high standard. How many times have they been nearly gone only to dramatically get that score they need to get out of a tight situation and get across the line. That's what sets them apart from other clubs in my book.
Every year they won it they seemed to pull a houdini act. These are just games I've been at: 06 barely escaped against Clontibret by 1 point, 07 nearly gone against Crokes the first day, 2 goals against to steal it on Kilmacud was it 2011?, epic semi with Dr.Crokes in Portlaoise that rained goals, escaped against Garrycastle the first day, then tanked them the second day, Dromore, Naomh Chonaill etc. and there's many more I can't remember offhand.
One things for sure if you pay money in to watch Cross there'll always be some drama and some fine scores!

Grey_Wolf (Leitrim) - Posts: 236 - 30/11/2015 14:19:54    1810612

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They got lucky yesterday,alot of decisions went for them,should of had Stephen Kernan sent off for striking,and got away with numerous fouls on Darren Hughes without major bookings.

A fine Club no doubt, but this team is not as good as ones in the past,if the semi final was in two weeks against Castlebar they would be well bet,but its not for 3 months so who knows but yesterday they were out played for long spells of the match,and kept in it by the ref.

oh dear

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 30/11/2015 14:54:16    1810617

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i think now if u watch the game back cross had to work for there frees and a few Scotstown were just handy enough!!

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thats the goal in Armagh to topple them and i think there is teams in Armagh that can, tho looking at yesterday i fear it could be a while!!

youngfella27 (Armagh) - Posts: 110 - 30/11/2015 15:04:31    1810620

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Cross have always had the ability to win even when playing not up to their high standard. How many times have they been nearly gone only to dramatically get that score they need to get out of a tight situation and get across the line. That's what sets them apart from other clubs in my book.
Every year they won it they seemed to pull a houdini act. These are just games I've been at: 06 barely escaped against Clontibret by 1 point, 07 nearly gone against Crokes the first day, 2 goals against to steal it on Kilmacud was it 2011?, epic semi with Dr.Crokes in Portlaoise that rained goals, escaped against Garrycastle the first day, then tanked them the second day, Dromore, Naomh Chonaill etc. and there's many more I can't remember offhand.
One things for sure if you pay money in to watch Cross there'll always be some drama and some fine scores!

I agree 100%, I thought when O'Callaghan (idiotic act) got himself sent off they were done for - maybe they should have been but...special clubs do special things - they got out of jail again.

GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 30/11/2015 15:10:50    1810624

Cross are an unbelievable club. But yesterday Barry Cassidy refused point blank to punish James Morgan for continuous pulling and dragging of Darren Hughes off the ball. The umpires failed to notify the referee of the continuous fouling or either he chose to ignore them. In the end Darren lost his temper as right at the end when he tried to make a run Morgan dragged him down. They are a fine footballing team with a cynical edge. Lack of experience cost Scotstown yesterday and poor management. This is a poor Cross team compared to the teams that went before them. But like always I hope the go the whole way.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1948 - 30/11/2015 16:04:18    1810636

You can't take away what they have achieved but you cannot say they are a very likeable club. They get away with a lot of off the ball stuff in Armagh and Ulster and I think some referees are just afraid to give decisions against them. Their behaviour during the Cargin incident left a sour taste with many. They never take responsibility for the antics they get up to on the pitch and always blame others. I give them dues for their success but the way they do it is not very admirable.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9816 - 30/11/2015 16:13:40    1810639

Ye can't bate an auld green eyed monster!!! Hughes gave as good as he got yesterday and won an awful lot of easy frees. James is no angel but he played like a lion yesterday and that's the long and short of it. Hughes had a battle on his hands and lost it on points. We have more admirers than nay-sayers so we must be doing something right! As for this team not being as good as previous teams, trust me they won't be far off an AI, that's all that counts.

RangerDanger (Armagh) - Posts: 101 - 30/11/2015 16:25:33    1810646

Morgan and co were hanging out of Hughes all afternoon and they found it difficult to handle him. Darren's only fault is that he takes too much out of the ball than he needs to, therefore, inviting more attention than warrants. I though both teams got a few handy frees but that had more to do with the conditions. Cross look to be getting on top and tackling hard in the run up to half time but I though Scotstown had them on the back foot for nearly all of the 2nd half, picking off some good scores. In the end it came down to a few errors made by Scotstown and they paid a heavy price for them.

drumlinbelt (Monaghan) - Posts: 179 - 30/11/2015 17:22:46    1810660

Did somebody say Cross have won 11/11 Ulster finals?Holy moley,thats incredible.How the hell has no Ulster team managed to beat them in a final?I mean,their good,real good,but come on.....

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 30/11/2015 17:41:45    1810662

cuederocket, since 1996 we have played in 37 finals in total at county, Ulster and AI level, we have won 36 in total. Only Kilmacud Crokes have beaten us in a final in 2009. In the history of Armagh GAA there have been 115 county senior finals, we have played in 61 of them and win 43, we've always won finals. The recent run has been phenomenal but not the first time we have dominated Armagh. We won 5 in a row in the 1920's and 6 from 11 from 1960-1970. We have pushed it to a new level in the last 20 years and hope to push it on higher again

RangerDanger (Armagh) - Posts: 101 - 30/11/2015 18:15:45    1810668

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Before Cross won Ulster , Mullabawn won it the previous year....

Ballarin, Ballinderry, Slaughneil, Ballaghy, Lavey from Derry have reached the All-Ireland finals
Burren from Down
St. Johns and St. Galls Antrim
Clann na Gael and Cross from Armagh
Scotstown from Monaghan

Ulster Club football is competitive...... Kilcoo were one of the favourites until Cross beat them...

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 30/11/2015 18:56:09    1810676

No disrespect to the Laois,Dublin and Tipp champions but i think the Crossmaglen v Castlebar All Ireland semi final will be the final in all but name. I don't think Cross are at the level they were which was a very high standard while Castlebar are stronger than 2 years ago so i think the Mayo men will win this All Ireland.

Mr_Pundit (UK) - Posts: 677 - 30/11/2015 19:42:25    1810685

I'd name you all the sides to make the club final from Munster Cuchulainn but I'd be here all night. You will be well aware that St Johns lost that final to a Limerick team as well. Can we agree that there are fine football clubs and football people in every county? Both Wicklow and Limerick have more club titles than 5 Ulster counties combined, Carlow clubs have more final appearances than these same 5 counties. Yet I'd never tell any Tyrone or Donegal man that his views on club football don't count because they have never won one the way some intercounty snobs treat other counties on here just because they happen to have their own version of Crossmaglen standing between them and silverware.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 30/11/2015 19:47:58    1810686

Great side no doubt, but do the other Armagh teams not get sick of their continued dominance in Armagh? At least shake it up a bit and have something like the Kerry Championshoips with Amalgamations involved.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2872 - 30/11/2015 20:33:53    1810691

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Great side no doubt, but do the other Armagh teams not get sick of their continued dominance in Armagh? At least shake it up a bit and have something like the Kerry Championshoips with Amalgamations involved.

Its not Crossmaglens fault. it up to others to raise their game. Phenomenal record for a club .

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 30/11/2015 21:07:27    1810705