So now we have it. Eye gouging, biting, cynical fouling, striking (hurl optional), vicious, nasty on field abuse etc can now go on with more or less the support of the GAA. Every time these incidents happen the Association adapts a vow of silence, buries it's head or looks the other way. In the very rare occasion that someone is accused, they and their club, county and fans go into total denial mode or engage lawyers to pick holes in the farcical disciplinary process even when they are as guilty as sin. We sometimes deserve our 'thick boggers' tag as the GAA is fast becoming a laughing stock and it's 'Constitution' nothing but a clowns charter.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9825 - 07/11/2015 16:49:05    1805171

Man up Ulsterman, you can always go to Tag rugby on Tuesdays and Thursdays if the good stuff is getting too rough for ya.

Shidoshi (Donegal) - Posts: 85 - 07/11/2015 17:21:15    1805178

come off it would you
these things happen in every sporting body
the only difference is how the media only highlights them as main stories when it comes to GAA
the rugby world cup was a two horse race before a ball was kicked i predicted australia to beat new zealand in the final
and im no rugby follower but it was clear as day only them two were ever going to win it.
yet they hyped it up to the last that it was a fantastic rugby world cup yet you knew none of the micky mousers had a hope in it.
the difference when it comes to talking about the championship with these same media outlets is like night and day
they look for every negative thing possible and put it out as the main headline.
take the national league to the rabo
you get more first string teams week in week out in the national leagues
you get 2nd and academy selection teams in the rabo most of the time
yet it gets presented in a positive light every week
and they continue to put the national league down in the same circles.
most of the incidents that are negative in soccer and rugby and other pro sports get swept under the carpet
and they concentrate on the positives
the same thing now happens in hurling
but its gaelic football the media outlets are going to town on
to me that says they have identified gaelic football as the biggest and most popular sport
and have an agenda to try bring it down at all costs
but judging by the public perception and attendances and overall playing numbers
its having the opposite effect
its only increasing the profile of the game

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 07/11/2015 17:30:36    1805181

How many people in Ireland if they were caught for a crime but knew if they kept their mouth shut or lawyered up they could get away with it would choose not to do so?

I suspect 99% of people regardless of the rights or wrongs would do whatever they could to get away with it.Its very easy for people to impose their morality upon others as you won't be suffering yourself.

The GAA just need to impose their rules and only allow an appeal in very rare circumstances.

If there is no evidence to prove a player was bitten in that recent club match or evidence can't be produced that proves a particular individual did it then very little can be done by the GAA.

The amount of melodrama on this site makes me think thta most of the posters here must be teenage girls.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 07/11/2015 17:42:04    1805184

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County: Offaly
Posts: 701

If there is no evidence to prove a player was bitten in that recent club match or evidence can't be produced that proves a particular individual did it then very little can be done by the GAA.

The amount of melodrama on this site makes me think thta most of the posters here must be teenage girls. [/I]

haha isn't that the truth, mr partitionist and the town cryers will never be happy.

07/11/2015 17:21:15 Shidoshi
Man up Ulsterman, you can always go to Tag rugby on Tuesdays and Thursdays if the good stuff is getting too rough for ya. Man up? What is wrong with what he said?
07/11/2015 17:30:36 hill16no1man
come off it would you these things happen in every sporting body the only difference is how the media only highlights them as main stories when it comes to GAA the rugby world cup was a two horse race before a ball was kicked i predicted australia to beat new zealand in the final and im no rugby follower but it was clear as day only them two were ever going to win it. yet they hyped it up to the last that it was a fantastic rugby world cup yet you knew none of the micky mousers had a hope in it. the difference when it comes to talking about the championship with these same media outlets is like night and day they look for every negative thing possible and put it out as the main headline. take the national league to the rabo you get more first string teams week in week out in the national leagues you get 2nd and academy selection teams in the rabo most of the time yet it gets presented in a positive light every week and they continue to put the national league down in the same circles. most of the incidents that are negative in soccer and rugby and other pro sports get swept under the carpet and they concentrate on the positives the same thing now happens in hurling but its gaelic football the media outlets are going to town on to me that says they have identified gaelic football as the biggest and most popular sport and have an agenda to try bring it down at all costs but judging by the public perception and attendances and overall playing numbers its having the opposite effect its only increasing the profile of the game To say the media only highlights the GAA is nonsense. The rugby world cup wasn't a two horse race from the beginning. how was it? It was a fantastic world cup. Your use of term mickey mousers is foolish and ignorant. the media don't just look for negative stories about the championship. The rabo is different to the national league in gaa. Rabo in rugby would be like national league in gaa starting in march and continuing to October. they are very different and cant be compared.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/11/2015 18:33:33    1805203

Ormond, you're dead right- the Rabo IS different from the National League. The Rabo is more akin to the o'byrne/McGrath/McKenna cups and the FBD league, where teams are largely experimental. The vast majority of teams take the National League really seriously in all divisions, with teams as close to full strength as possible, and promotion/relegation actually meaning something for the teams involved. Do the bottom teams ever get relegated from the Rabo?? Or do they just continue being mediocre year after year??

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 07/11/2015 18:55:11    1805210

Agree totally Ulsterman, you can see from the replies on here what an uphill task it will be to enforce discipline & adhered club schedules & when you see the level of competence shown by the Association leadership. It's a laugh when you see the typical investigations & outcomes, the parochialism shown when something happens between two different counties, they can't elevate their thinking beyond the usual parochial cliched replies such as its a mans game or go & play tag rugby. Unfortunately some of these morons are now at the top level of the Association. Every year new parents & children enter the Association for the first time, if what they see is a poorly organised body, no implementation of rules & discipline & games, then they don't hang around for long. This is beyond the thinking of some. The numbers now playing games is also debatable as most clubs enter a raft of names for each team to have them in before the deadline despite some not even playing or paying their membership. Yes you won't be covered by insurance if not a registered GAA member, yet this is openly being abused. In my opinion the only thing that will invoke change is when a serious case is taken to the high court by some member & this day is approaching fast. When some club, county or the Association is sued only then will things change. It's a great product but the overall leadership & management of it is shockingly poor.

Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 07/11/2015 19:13:37    1805215

Ormondo,

"To say the media only highlights the GAA is nonsense. The rugby world cup wasn't a two horse race from the beginning. how was it? It was a fantastic world cup. Your use of term mickey mousers is foolish and ignorant. the media don't just look for negative stories about the championship. The rabo is different to the national league in gaa. Rabo in rugby would be like national league in gaa starting in march and continuing to October. they are very different and cant be compared."

I presume you never made your school debating team. Refuting what someone else has said without actually making any points to back it up is just that...pointless! This video might prove helpful:
link

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 07/11/2015 19:23:46    1805216

GAA are in the halfpenny place, look what OJ Simpson nearly got off with :)

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 07/11/2015 19:26:52    1805218

Talking a lot of sense Hill16

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 07/11/2015 19:52:03    1805222

Uimhir.a.3.
County: Galway
Posts: 95

1805215
Agree totally Ulsterman, you can see from the replies on here what an uphill task it will be to enforce discipline & adhered club schedules & when you see the level of competence shown by the Association leadership. It's a laugh when you see the typical investigations & outcomes, the parochialism shown when something happens between two different counties, they can't elevate their thinking beyond the usual parochial cliched replies such as its a mans game or go & play tag rugby. Unfortunately some of these morons are now at the top level of the Association. Every year new parents & children enter the Association for the first time, if what they see is a poorly organised body, no implementation of rules & discipline & games, then they don't hang around for long. This is beyond the thinking of some. The numbers now playing games is also debatable as most clubs enter a raft of names for each team to have them in before the deadline despite some not even playing or paying their membership. Yes you won't be covered by insurance if not a registered GAA member, yet this is openly being abused. In my opinion the only thing that will invoke change is when a serious case is taken to the high court by some member & this day is approaching fast. When some club, county or the Association is sued only then will things change. It's a great product but the overall leadership & management of it is shockingly poor.

The GAA is very badly run in lots of ways and I'm pretty most people would agree with that and I don't think people are blind to that and want to bury their heads in the sand over it the problem people have is that there is a far too melodramatic reaction to everything bad that happens in the GAA.

Looking out for yourself first and foremost is what everybody does in life so why people are appalled when GAA players and teams do likewise I'll never understand.

The problem with the running of the GAA is that it is far too democratic until the ridiculous levels of democracy are gotten rid of and there is real accountability within the GAA nothing will change.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 07/11/2015 19:55:34    1805223

07/11/2015 18:55:11 football first
Ormond, you're dead right- the Rabo IS different from the National League. The Rabo is more akin to the o'byrne/McGrath/McKenna cups and the FBD league, where teams are largely experimental. The vast majority of teams take the National League really seriously in all divisions, with teams as close to full strength as possible, and promotion/relegation actually meaning something for the teams involved. Do the bottom teams ever get relegated from the Rabo?? Or do they just continue being mediocre year after year?? Relegation in a league doesn't make standards improve. To compare the rabo to a pre season competition shows up you as trolling. Your posts are nonsense. Look at Connacht. Finished near bottom for several seasons and now challenging at the top and winning lots of games. The rabo is played all through the rugby season unlike national leagues in GAA. The rabo starts in September and finishes in May around same time as European cups. It cant be compared to the gaa where league starts and finishes before championships start.
07/11/2015 19:23:46
keeper7
Ormond, "To say the media only highlights the GAA is nonsense. The rugby world cup wasn't a two horse race from the beginning. how was it? It was a fantastic world cup. Your use of term mickey mousers is foolish and ignorant. the media don't just look for negative stories about the championship. The rabo is different to the national league in gaa. Rabo in rugby would be like national league in gaa starting in march and continuing to October. they are very different and cant be compared."
I presume you never made your school debating team. Refuting what someone else has said without actually making any points to back it up is just that...pointless! This video might prove helpful:
link I made a point. School never had a debating team. I did make points. I said the pro12 cant be used in a direct comparison to the national leagues in GAA as both are completely different. The pro12 starts in September and lasts the entire rugby season which is not the case with the national leagues in GAA which start and finish before championship starts

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/11/2015 19:58:17    1805224

Ulsterman
County: Antrim
Posts: 7494

1805171
So now we have it. Eye gouging, biting, cynical fouling, striking (hurl optional), vicious, nasty on field abuse etc can now go on with more or less the support of the GAA. Every time these incidents happen the Association adapts a vow of silence, buries it's head or looks the other way. In the very rare occasion that someone is accused, they and their club, county and fans go into total denial mode or engage lawyers to pick holes in the farcical disciplinary process even when they are as guilty as sin. We sometimes deserve our 'thick boggers' tag as the GAA is fast becoming a laughing stock and it's 'Constitution' nothing but a clowns charter.

Amazingly Ulsterman you were the biggest culprit of this, jumping on the Ulster bandwagon demanding clear proof if any Northern county was accused of anything by someone down south.
Now that an Antrim team cries foul , you set up a thread on it.
Total hyprocisy on your part.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 07/11/2015 22:03:07    1805258

Ormond, no need to resort to personal abuse - just address the points made. I'll keep this post to just one question: so far this reason, how often have Munster or Leinster fielded full strength teams in the Rabo?

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 08/11/2015 08:27:03    1805259

Just had a quick look at the Dublin team for their opening 2015 match v Cork
1. Sean Currie (Ballymun Kickhams)
2. Eoin Culligan (Kilmacud Crokes)
3. Rory O'Carroll (Kilmacud Crokes)
4. Darren Daly (Fingal Ravens)
5. Jonny Cooper (Na Fianna)
6. John Small (Ballymun Kickhams)
7. Jack McCaffrey (Clontarf)
8. Denis Bastick (Templeogue Synge Street)
9. Shane Carthy (Naoimh Mearnog)
10. Tomas Brady (Na Fianna)
11. Dean Rock (Ballymun Kickhams)
12. Emmett O'Conghaile (Lucan Sarsfields)
13. Kevin McManamon (St Judes)
14. Eoghan O'Gara (Templeogue Synge Street)
15. Cormac Costello

4 first choice players

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4655 - 08/11/2015 10:33:13    1805271

I've no doubt there are some politicians on this site.

The original thread had nothing to do with any sport yet somehow it got distracted to being about the rabo versus the national leagues.

The irony of people complaining about rugby being a 2 horse race when we have a one horse race in Leinster football and to combat it our organisation give most funding to that one team.

We have huge issues in our games, trying to deflect by pointing out flaws in other games in bury your heads in the sand stuff or as I like to call it, the GAA way.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1534 - 08/11/2015 10:37:54    1805274

Sure the best provincial championships we have is the one where the media in the other 3 provinces love to find fault with. Trying to highlight negative tactics and what they would describe as an over-physical approach. Bar the odd game in Leinster, Connacht and Munster a neutral would surely think that only in Ulster do good tough competitive games happen before August.
As for making the other provinces competitive the GAA aren't interested. They want to make the gap between the strong and so-called weaker counties even bigger by having a two tier championship. Restructuring a league, well past it's sell by date, to constructively give division 3 and 4 teams games against counties of a higher standard might be the way to go. Or let them come up with ways of improving the overall standard of football. They seem happy to take in the cash from games between Division 1 and 2 counties and let the rest stagnate.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8170 - 08/11/2015 11:51:21    1805286

Ormo I refuse to debate with as pointless , the local Rugby spin doctor , as for Ulsterman dont get me staeted, does he forget his previous posts and stances jesus hed make a new labour spin doctor if ever he wanted .yep Ormo and Ulsterman are cut from the same cloth .
I wonder and have done for a long time how many actually get off their holes and watch games on a regular basis , I get to go to at least three club games various age groups to senior , and while no association is perfect Id say that discipline is Not a major issue , what is an issue is TV death by analysis , the media love an opportunity to have a go at The GAA , to say otherwise is to ignore the coverage on a daily weekly basis ,
Fixture congestion , playing county finals semi finals etc in horrendous weather in a glorified blitz fashion is whats a disgrace ,
However the biggest own goal scored by the GAA is by its own members with pariocal hindsight views , the utter hatred of opposition and bringing everything down to were your from and nobody worse for that than OP .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 08/11/2015 12:11:05    1805289

The media are drawn to the negative with the GAA because every disciplinary situation has more twists and turns than a pig's intestines, with both producing more than the odd smelly emission. This is such an easy guaranteed story for the sports hacks writing it up, whereas with rugby and even soccer there are only facts and a sentence to report with no debate. The GAA needs to decide whether their disciplinary procedures are there to protect the players and the sports, or if they genuinely value the guaranteed entertainment and PR they provide (I wouldn't underestimate the perceived value of the PR, even though it comes with a negative slant).

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 08/11/2015 12:22:58    1805292