Dublin has 32 Senior CLub and 32 Inter CLubs and the smae around Junior, In Louth we have 32 CLubs! Period and we dont have the funding close to Dublin!

MR (Louth) - Posts: 2570 - 11/06/2015 10:32:37    1735488

"There are 39,000 of our Church of England friends living in Co. Donegal most whom would not indulge in our games. This logic could be applied to most counties."

@therightstuff. I think you'll find your 'friends' are from the Church of Ireland not to mention the other Protestant churches. A little ironic don't you think given the context of your argument!

stanley (None) - Posts: 434 - 11/06/2015 10:45:35    1735495

Uncle_Fester
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sure there's so many of yous ye can't even fit in your own county.

My poor old county, the lilies, drogheda all destroyed with yous.

Went through Navan main street the other day, sounded like I was in Finglas.



Really! There's whole swathes of my beloved city where you can here nothing but bogman/Polish. :-)
Touche.

Aido.

Aido69 (Dublin) - Posts: 381 - 11/06/2015 11:22:17    1735525

11/06/2015 10:06:25
TheMaster
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1735472 Why do they need so much money then?

In fairness the money is not given to senior team. Money is help to coach at grassroots. Kerry dont have much money yet they have the most talented/natural footballers in the country. At end of day teams can only put 15 players on pitch maybe likes of Calow/Waterford dont has players have better chance winning silverware with club than county

HughHunt24 (Cork) - Posts: 841 - 11/06/2015 12:29:43    1735578

Liam has a point here alright but it is a pretty complex thing these days and certainly what he is saying probably had more emphasis 10-15+ years ago as the gap between rural and urban lifestyles and choices has narrowed considerably in that time.

From my experience generally the biggest ratio of GAA buy in exists in rural communities and while this is still the case it is not as pronounced and the GAA is nowhere near as exclusive as it once was with children now being given more choices and travelling greater distances to avail of these additional choices. When I was growing up in a rural area it was GAA and that was all that was on offer or else you entertained yourself. Now parents (and I am guilty of this also) are constantly taxiing their children to soccer, rugby, swimming, dance, kids gyms etc etc and generally laying on activity for them. Throw in the internet, console games, multiple choice of Tv channels etc for good measure.

As such I think this idea that townies are more distracted is getting less and less relevant though granted for a place the size of Dublin it probably lacks a little in the community base strength of GAA - this in itself is not a massive disadvantage - and plenty of funding can more than bridge a gap.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 11/06/2015 12:42:52    1735581

HughHunt24
In fairness the money is not given to senior team. Money is help to coach at grassroots. Kerry dont have much money yet they have the most talented/natural footballers in the country. At end of day teams can only put 15 players on pitch maybe likes of Calow/Waterford dont has players have better chance winning silverware with club than county

I never said it was given to the senior team. The point liam is making is there are only around 100,000 odd people or so actually taking part in the gaa. He is saying that they are basically the same as, or not dissimilar to, other large gaa counties in the country. Well if that is the case, Im asking why they are getting more money than other large gaa counties. Surely if they only have the same numbers everyone else has, they should get the same funding everyone else gets? Yet a few months back we had people from the DCB campaigning to be funded as a province. So basically, they want to be funded as a province, yet believe they are no different to any other county. Does that make sense to you?

I have a question for liam, or anyone with knowledge of Dublin football. How many mens divisions are there in Dublin? i.e. Division 1, 2, 3, or 1a, 1b - whatever. How many are there? I doubt it will be answered, because it completely disproves what he is saying in one swoop.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 11/06/2015 13:10:09    1735592

London have a population of 7.9 million.

Of that 4.6 million of them were born in London and do not play GAA.

262,000 of those were born in India. They too do not play GAA.

158,000 of them were born in Poland - again not a GAA stronghold.

115,000 of them were born in Pakisatn - ditto about the GAA.

afew more blabal sentences

In conclusiion, Leitrim is a densely populated GAA playing megalopolis in comparison - way bigger...way, way, way bigger..just letting ya know

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 11/06/2015 13:28:12    1735612

Take into consideration the number of current Dublin players whose father also played for Dublin - off hand: rock, brogans, mcmenamin, mccarthy.
Shows that the Dublin GAA family is what it is and is there to pick from - not the population as a whole.

Dublins population has always been huge compared with the other counties, possibly always one fifth.

therefore Dublin should have roughly 25 All-Irelands in Football AND Hurling.

HenryHill16 (Dublin) - Posts: 249 - 11/06/2015 14:03:23    1735631

Really! There's whole swathes of my beloved city where you can here nothing but bogman/Polish. :-)
Touche.

Aido.

Well Aido someone has to work in the city not to mention bring some culture to the capital before 2020....

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 11/06/2015 14:41:01    1735660

Trying to take Gaelic Games to a relatively densely populated area requires significant funding. From that aspect I'd argue Dublin should be given more funding. That would be the root of provincial status in my view. At the end of it more kids playing Gaelic Sports is in the interests of all GAA folk but there is a huge distinction between actual playing numbers in clubs and the broader pick. The pick is huge where the club playing numbers are not exceptional in contrast to the likes of Cork I would think.

What I wouldn't agree with is Dublin having more development officers and coaches per head of population. Establish a base line and then do your best to meet it. If you do Dublin will have a bigger quantity but quality is an entirely different variable. It's very similar to the school teacher/student ratio, just because you have a bigger pick does not mean you produce more quality.

It's obvious Dublin have not being producing quality to a level above the rest, Dublin have closed the gap and are generally competitive at the top now but that would be the norm for any top county. It's circular and will change.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 11/06/2015 15:12:39    1735678

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HughHunt24
In fairness the money is not given to senior team. Money is help to coach at grassroots. Kerry dont have much money yet they have the most talented/natural footballers in the country. At end of day teams can only put 15 players on pitch maybe likes of Calow/Waterford dont has players have better chance winning silverware with club than county

I never said it was given to the senior team. The point liam is making is there are only around 100,000 odd people or so actually taking part in the gaa. He is saying that they are basically the same as, or not dissimilar to, other large gaa counties in the country. Well if that is the case, Im asking why they are getting more money than other large gaa counties. Surely if they only have the same numbers everyone else has, they should get the same funding everyone else gets? Yet a few months back we had people from the DCB campaigning to be funded as a province. So basically, they want to be funded as a province, yet believe they are no different to any other county. Does that make sense to you?

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Yes it does when you consider that this is Games DEVELOPMENT Fund money i.e. Development of the game in the capital to a potentional participant audience of 1.2m people. Imagine how much financial clout that takes. Nowhere is the battle for GAA games participation greater than in the capital where every sport from softball to polo is on offer.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4744 - 11/06/2015 15:15:41    1735680

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Well Aido someone has to work in the city not to mention bring some culture to the capital before 2020....

seanfinn, I know and love yous(ye) for it. Where would the civil and public sectors be without yous(ye) ;-)

A.

Aido69 (Dublin) - Posts: 381 - 11/06/2015 15:28:45    1735687

Master
Theres 12 adult f00tball leagues and 9 adult hurling leagues (they all shoyld have 16 teams, but a few teams drop out of the lower divisions always)

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 11/06/2015 16:14:30    1735711

Joxer
Yes it does when you consider that this is Games DEVELOPMENT Fund money i.e. Development of the game in the capital to a potentional participant audience of 1.2m people. Imagine how much financial clout that takes. Nowhere is the battle for GAA games participation greater than in the capital where every sport from softball to polo is on offer.

So the excuse is that they need that money to get the other 1.1 million people playing. Can you provide any figures to support the idea that Dublin spend the exact same amount as everyone else on the people already involved, and everything else goes on enticing others to play the game? Also, in 150 years they haven't managed to get them playing, yet every year they spend this money? Whoever is over marketing up there probably needs to be fired then...


The truth is you have 12 divisions of 16 for mens football alone. That is 192 teams - miles more than any other county in the country, cork included. Mayo for example have 6 divisions of 12, that is 72 teams. So you have almost 3 times the number of guys playing mens football than one of your main rivals. With respect to that point, how in the name of god do you expect people to believe that you don't have more people playing gaa than the rest? You have almost 3 times as many.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 11/06/2015 16:51:39    1735729

Youd think, Master, that having roughly half the teams we do, youd have about half as many all ireland. How come your so useless?

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 11/06/2015 18:11:48    1735755

Ah jayus Liam...we had a bad week last with the hurling, and now you start this??? Mother of....

You'll have people all over the country with their calculators out, throwing out numbers left right and centre, and these predictions, and calculations would be even less accurate than the numbers I pick in the lotto!!

Even though you were fishing (I hope) and its a cynical foul I will forgo the black card and give you a yellow!!!

Threads like this are for winter when we have nothing better to talk about.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 11/06/2015 18:20:30    1735759

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Joxer
Yes it does when you consider that this is Games DEVELOPMENT Fund money i.e. Development of the game in the capital to a potentional participant audience of 1.2m people. Imagine how much financial clout that takes. Nowhere is the battle for GAA games participation greater than in the capital where every sport from softball to polo is on offer.

So the excuse is that they need that money to get the other 1.1 million people playing. Can you provide any figures to support the idea that Dublin spend the exact same amount as everyone else on the people already involved, and everything else goes on enticing others to play the game? Also, in 150 years they haven't managed to get them playing, yet every year they spend this money? Whoever is over marketing up there probably needs to be fired then...

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Yes but how many 150 year olds are playing the game in Dublin? There is a constant churn. I bowed out of club football at minor level myself. That 100K figure is not static obviously, neither is the population. You seem to think that the Games Development Fund is spent on shiny new training bibs and coaches only. If anything the 100K demonstates the battle taking place in the capital. In my own area there are 3 GAA clubs and 5 soccer for example. Per head of population Dublin's allocation is about the same as all other counties. I've produced the figures on here many times before as you know and in fact Dublin's allocation per head is less than some counties.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4744 - 11/06/2015 18:21:01    1735760

Well if you look at Antrim we have more than half the population of Dublin but only 54 adult teams across the divisions. So half the population but only approximately 1/4 of the clubs meaning Dublin have twice the player resources by comparison. As for the funding comparison, I won't even go there as I don't want to upset myself on such a beautiful evening.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 11/06/2015 19:20:35    1735781

1/4 of teams not clubs

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 11/06/2015 19:24:12    1735784

I thought once the championship started these sort of threads would disappear untill sept , is it just me or has HS become the worlds biggest hamster wheel ? Good luck .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 11/06/2015 20:16:47    1735795