"Just because Longford are **** at football doesn't mean their not a football county either !"

True. And we'll be going toe-to-toe with perennial worldbeaters Kildare in Division 3 next year.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 09/06/2015 15:05:59    1734693

witnof,

In Westmeath, at underage level they have a hurling week then a football week for fixtures. We can't even get one evening a week for hurling in Longford.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 09/06/2015 15:10:52    1734696

by your system its harder for a county that favours hurling to be considered a dual county as football has more competitive teams so its easier to get into second division in hurling. I would consider limerick more of a dual county than kerry.. its just there as far more football counties so harder to be elite. you are putting kerry hurlers in the top table but its just because there is only really 8 or 9 elite hurling counties and they'd all annihilate kerry if they met in championship..

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 09/06/2015 17:13:36    1734770

I'd consider Wexford a dual county in my lifetime. Football is in a bit of a transitional period at the moment but all through the 00s we were in the top division in both codes and competing well in leinster. A good few national semi finals in that era between the codes too

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3802 - 09/06/2015 17:26:02    1734777

How do you define Dual county? Do you have to win anything specific to qualify for this badge of honor, or just play both, at any standard? IF there is a benchmark, what is it?

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3853 - 09/06/2015 17:26:38    1734778

09/06/2015 17:26:38
Donegalman
County: All
How do you define Dual county? Do you have to win anything specific to qualify for this badge of honor, or just play both, at any standard? IF there is a benchmark, what is it?

Great questions. In my opinion a team does not have to be challenging for All-Irelands to be considered a dual county. I do however believe that both the football and hurling teams should be performing to a certain level.

In hurling, counties outside the Liam McCarthy and below Division 1B are considered designated counties.

In the football and hurling leagues, it is cheaper to go to games below Division 1B in hurling and below Division 2 in football. The price reflects the level of those games.

If you are a designated county in hurling or below Division 2 in football, in my opinion you are not a dual county. It's very much debatable but that is my opinion.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8975 - 09/06/2015 20:50:38    1734871

legendzxix
County: Kerry
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1734355 08/06/2015 20:30:45
GaryMc82
County: Derry
Your criteria is a little bit too much like "Everything from Kerry upwards is heaven", stick to the butter Legendxix

Au contraire Rodders!

Cork and Dublin naturally are top dual counties at this time. I genuinely would see what I outlined as being a fair yardstick for noting a county as being a dual county. There has to be some standard to be considered competitive in both sports.

I just think competitive might be a bit strong of a word for some of the teams you mentioned, especially if you put them alongside a Kilkenny or Tipperary.

I Kerry win Munster, or Laois/Westmeath win Leinster, then I would start listing them in such a way. But I don't see that happening anytime in the near future.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3026 - 09/06/2015 21:25:25    1734890

A duel county is one that promotes both codes equally, has structures to accommodate both and has good participation levels. It is nothing at all to do whether you are good at only one code that is a ridiculous criteria. At the same time having a few clubs playing one code is not the criteria either.

There are a lot of duel counties out yet there seems to be some actively discouraging one half of the GAA games, their funding should be cut accordingly.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4955 - 09/06/2015 21:41:02    1734908