100% agree.

Also the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick should be allowed to be used for Munster games if required. If Munster get a "home" semi final in the European Cup they are not allowed to use Thomond park so would have to go to the Aviva. Staging it in the Gaelic grounds would make much more sense for Limerick GAA and Munster.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1135 - 14/04/2015 21:54:25    1714315

Every second year Ireland host England and France at home in the Rugby, those are the only two regular games I could see returning. Soccer team no going well enough to warrant a Croke Park move.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11540 - 15/04/2015 09:38:57    1714327

yew_tree
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Every second year Ireland host England and France at home in the Rugby, those are the only two regular games I could see returning. Soccer team no going well enough to warrant a Croke Park move.

Wales?
New Zealand, Australia, South Africa?
Any game v Scotland or Italy that is on the final day of the 6 nations with the title up for grabs?


Agree with you on the soccer team but what if we get England in our World Cup qualifier group? or Poland again!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5244 - 15/04/2015 10:11:26    1714333

county man --County: Limerick-Posts: 791 re using gaelic grounds - Personally i am in agreement with you and i would prefer the gaelic grounds for a home semi BUT

I think (and could be wrong) part of the deal with Aviva is that home semi finals are to be played in the aviva- on a practical point the aviva would be a home venue for the players as they would be more familiart with it over the gaelic grounds - in order to get any home advantage munster would probably have to play a pro12 game there as well -

Instead hopefully we win the world cup bid and get a quarter final in the gaelic grounds

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 15/04/2015 10:40:03    1714345

Not sure of the commercial requirements either Janesborogh, the Aviva deal might only be a requirement for International matches but I can't say for sure either.

The Gaelic grounds would need getting familar with alright but I'm sure a Pro 12 game or 2 could be staged there too. It would be at a time of the year (April) when the place is empty anyways, Limerick GAA would get rent, which they could pass onto the clubs as we are still paying for the Gaelic Grounds! It woudl be easier for Munster fans to get to and Limerick city would get an economic boost as well.

It's win win all round.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1135 - 15/04/2015 14:42:15    1714508

cavanman47 - Fair enough but no way would I want the English soccer fans with there vile abuse in Croke Park, the rugby supporters are a different breed.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11540 - 15/04/2015 15:02:51    1714521

SaffronDon
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1714242 not another 80 pages of what's the dominant sport in Ireland please

Agreed, with ORMO moving heaven and earth to clarify how the most upper-class sport in Dublin is in fact nothing of the sort .
zzzzzzzzzzzz Wasn't this done just recently or have I just feel into Dory mode .
No issue with anything being played in CP , with the exception of Heavy Metal , country western or one direction .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 15/04/2015 15:10:42    1714524

yew_tree
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1714521 cavanman47 - Fair enough but no way would I want the English soccer fans with there vile abuse in Croke Park, the rugby supporters are a different breed.

English rugby supporters are different alright. For a start you would never see a union jack at an English rugby match. Ironically when the troubles broke out up in the north, the English rugby team travelled over to Dublin but the Scottish and Welsh teams did not. English soccer supporters are singing a lot of anti ira songs and bringing anti ira flags to football matches. This was the case against Scotland in Glasgow in November and away to Italy at the end of last month. Hopefully they behave themselves in the Avia in June.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 15/04/2015 17:00:14    1714576

Not sure about elevating one set of supporters above the other. A British writer famously said that a bomb at Twickenham on international match day would end fascism in England for a generation!

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 15/04/2015 17:32:53    1714586

Jesus Kelly milks the GAA to some height to keep himself in the papers!!

Not going to happen. Not because of the GAA but becuase of rugby and soccer sponsorship and corporate contracts

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 15/04/2015 19:02:28    1714632

Maybe some of the rugby union diehards on this thread could explain why the English Rugby Football Union refused to let the England soccer team play at Twickenham when Wembley was being redeveloped. They were forced to travel to another country(Wales) to play their matches apparently because rugby union supporters didn't want to tarnish brand Rugby Union with hoards of working class Englishmen cutting up their hallowed turf. If true that would be an example of elitism wouldn't it?

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 15/04/2015 19:33:29    1714636

mediaman

Maybe some of the rugby union diehards on this thread could explain why the English Rugby Football Union refused to let the England soccer team play at Twickenham when Wembley was being redeveloped.

Maybe you could explain to me how that's relevant to Soccer and Rugby returning to Croke Park, they have been played there before you know.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 15/04/2015 19:49:43    1714640

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Maybe some of the rugby union diehards on this thread could explain why the English Rugby Football Union refused to let the England soccer team play at Twickenham when Wembley was being redeveloped. They were forced to travel to another country(Wales) to play their matches apparently because rugby union supporters didn't want to tarnish brand Rugby Union with hoards of working class Englishmen cutting up their hallowed turf. If true that would be an example of elitism wouldn't it?

Don't think that's true.

England went on a tour of their country when they were redeveloping Wembley if memory serves me. They played games in Manchester, Newcastle, Leeds, Liverpool etc.

The FA Cup final was moved to Cardiff alright but Welsh teams compete in the FA Cup too.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13795 - 15/04/2015 20:49:43    1714650

English soccer team did not play any home matches in Wales when Wembley was being redeveloped mediaman. Cup finals were played there alright but internationals went all around England to different grounds.

Agree with witnof re Kelly. Also you'd think he had driven it through himself with some passionate speech whereas in fact he was just the person who happened as President to be chairing the meeting. He's been living off it ever since and I know his club brought a further motion subsequently but that was a no brainer once the rubicon had been crossed. I know many lauded him for the smooth manner in which he immediately moved on to the next item on the clar, as if it was just another routine decision, but I think he he showed poor judgement by taking that conveniently easy option and by not making some remarks immediately about what was one of the two most historic decisions ever taken by the GAA. He really should shut up about it at this stage though.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1551 - 15/04/2015 21:20:02    1714662

'Apparently' that sums up most of your posts. No facts, just opinion, usually negative, presented as the truth.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7926 - 15/04/2015 21:44:42    1714670

The GAA should be solely concerned with looking after its own games not any other organisations and they certainly shouldn't be offering their stadium out to Soccer and Rugby when they have their own stadium and are in competition with them (and all sporting codes are in competition with each other whether people want to admit it or not).

Frankly Sean Kelly should mind his own business and not be using the GAA as a way of getting votes for himself.

I had no problem with Croke Park being used before as there was no other option at the time but they have their own stadium now and should be using it for all their own matches. It is not the GAA's fault they may have built a stadium that is too small. If they ask then perhaps the stadium can be used for soccer and rugby matches but unless they ask the GAA should not be going around offering the stadium for use by the FAI and IRFU.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 16/04/2015 08:04:29    1714679

uibhfhaili1986

I don't think anybody is suggesting the Gaa should offer Croke Park, the FAI & IRFU should of course come to them if they want Croke Park, the Gaa is under no obligation to these organisations.

I'm not sure about the Sean Kelly looking for votes thing though, now I'm not a dedicated follower of politics so maybe I'm missing something here but the European Parliamentary elections were last year and aren't due again till 2019 at which point Sean Kelly will be 67, seems a bit early to be canvassing, plus will he even run the next time?

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 16/04/2015 10:12:02    1714701

Mediaman Antrim let have a look at your post

Maybe some of the rugby union diehards on this thread could explain why the English Rugby Football Union refused to let the England soccer team play at Twickenham when Wembley was being redeveloped.

HAVE A READ OF THESE 2 ARTICLES
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/wembley-fiasco-we-ask-the-questions-6355588.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2855860/Chelsea-s-Russian-money-Twickenham-fought-promises-council-leader.html

They were forced to travel to another country(Wales) -IS WALES NOT PART OF GREAT BRITAIN/UNITED KINGDOM AND THEREFORE THE SAME COUNTRY -

to play their matches apparently because rugby union supporters didn't want to tarnish brand Rugby Union with hoards of working class Englishmen cutting up their hallowed turf.

READ THE 2 ARTICLES WHICH SUGGEST THE DECISION NOT TO PLAY SOCCER IN TWICKENHAM WAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RFU .

RUGBY LEAGUE INTERNATIONALS AND CHALLENGE CUP FINALS HAVE BEEN PLAYED THERE - RUGBY LEAGUE BEING VERY MUCH A WORKING CLASS NORTH OF ENGLAND GAME AND HISTORICALLY A RIVAL OF UNION. - RUGBY LEAGUE CAN CUT THE TURF UP A BIT - THE GROUND ALSO HELD CONCERTS WHICH CAN DAMAGE THE PITCH (AND STILL IT HAS NEVER HAD A GAME POSTPONED -BIT OF WORTHLESS TRIVIA FOR YE!!)

If true that would be an example of elitism wouldn't it?

THE IRONY OF YOUR STATEMENT IS THAT THIS WHOLE TOPIC IS BEING DISCUSSED BECAUSE THE GAA DIDNT LET SOCCER AND RUGBY INTO THEIR GROUND - DO YOU VIEW THAT AS BEING ELITIST - PERSONALLY I DONT THIS IS IS - AND AGREE WITH UIBH FHAILIS COMMENTS ABOVE ON THE MATTER

TOOK ME 5 MINUTES TO FIND TO GOOGLE THESE ARTICLES - MAYBE YOU SHOULD DO THE SAME BEFORE YOU POST - IF YOU HATE RUGBY YOU SHOULD JUST COME OUT AND SAY IT - IT IS POSSIBLE TO LIKE GAA AND RUGBY AND OTHER SPORTS

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 16/04/2015 10:19:30    1714705

Reinstate Rule 42!

The campaign starts today.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 16/04/2015 10:43:18    1714709

Soma
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Not sure about elevating one set of supporters above the other. A British writer famously said that a bomb at Twickenham on international match day would end fascism in England for a generation!

Youll find ten times as much at any given Leeds/chelsea/west ham,etc game than at twickenham

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 16/04/2015 10:56:52    1714715