24/02/2015 18:39:42
hill16no1man
those it need to be only adult games?
you want to move juveile matches then for your sensititvity
there is mini busses arranged kids familys may have plans.
why shouldnt games be set for this time because it clashes with a rugby game?
there two different sports run by two different sporting bodies
I dont see any other sport changing their matches when they clash with championship games
im sure theres rabo or league of ireland games clash with them
its life you make a decision Not for my sensitivity you ..... but to give people who want to watch the game a chance to. Rugby doesn't play in summer but we regularly at age grade and adult alike move games involving clubs if their county has a big hurling/gaelic league game or something else. Its called being smart and cooperative with one's rival.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/02/2015 18:47:28    1696464

Mike that analogy makes no sense. The National team is playing at the same time and a lot of people want to see it and it was fixed ages ago. . It's just common sense to accommodate both instead of forcing people to chose. Sure you often said yourself The league is irrelevant!

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 24/02/2015 18:48:10    1696465

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
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The irish rugby team is very much reflective of irish society. The private schools have so many playing pro level because they in general have more players training more, together etc. Blackrock are like a huge club. The school one attends is key as unlike GAA the schools and clubs seasons completely overlap and in many areas you either play clubs or schools. The irish side is reflective of irish society. I wont go to the bother of going through exactly where all go to school as whats the point. The squads aren't full of people from privileged(sic) backgrounds. Im not ignoring anybody actually

How is it reflective? The Irish rugby team is heavily influenced and has a big percentage of them from fee paying privileged backgrounds. A big percentage of Irish people did not/do not attend privileged fee paying schools. Therefore it does not reflect Ireland as a whole.

You're ignoring the majority in favour of your priveleged elite again, just like you did with your claims about South Africa not so long ago. Truly staggering.

There's a lot more to Ireland than the fee paying schools man, even if you think that they represent Irish society, they clearly do not.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13792 - 24/02/2015 19:36:02    1696487

Blackspot it is the national RUGBY team. Just as there is a national boxing team, swimming team, soccer (well 3/4s of one anyway!) etc. Should GAA also change times for the Eurovision, or a darts match, or if Ken Doherty is playing Ronnie O'Sullivan?

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 24/02/2015 20:00:04    1696497

Ormond, I am well disposed to rugby and I agree with you that a lot of what is posted on this forum in relation to rugby is unbalanced and unfair . However I can't agree with you when you say that the Irish rugby team reflects Irish society . It doesn't .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6177 - 24/02/2015 20:11:08    1696501

ormond
Not for my sensitivity you ..... but to give people who want to watch the game a chance to. Rugby doesn't play in summer but we regularly at age grade and adult alike move games involving clubs if their county has a big hurling/gaelic league game or something else. Its called being smart and cooperative with one's rival.

what about the people who want to watch liverpool v man city on sunday at 12 o clock?
rugby may not play in summer but couple weeks ago munster played rabo game the same time in the same city
as cork v kilkenny.
also what about gaa supporters who play soccer on sunday mornings, you are now not allowing them to attend a 1pm game

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/02/2015 20:25:56    1696508

blackspot91
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Mike that analogy makes no sense. The National team is playing at the same time and a lot of people want to see it and it was fixed ages ago. . It's just common sense to accommodate both instead of forcing people to chose. Sure you often said yourself The league is irrelevant!

if you feel the league is irrelevant then what does it matter to you what time the game is on
as the fair weather supporters can watch the rugby all they want
the true supporters will watch their county
nobody looses out then

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/02/2015 20:28:05    1696509

I disagree hill16.
there are plenty of people who support both the GAA and rugby, and its wrong to make them choose.
I think that pride and obstinacy are the main reasons people dont want to move the games.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 24/02/2015 20:44:34    1696516

in this day in age where u can simply pause or record the match or watch it on rte player i dont really see what the issue is?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 24/02/2015 20:51:34    1696520

Hill16 thats what mike03 said.. I actually consider the league important and go to a lot of matches.. I'm also a big rugby fan and would appreciate if they gaa didnt force my hand..

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 24/02/2015 20:53:16    1696521

Also regarding your earlier post.. if you cant see why an irish rugby match is bigger than the eurovision or ronnie o sullivan then i dont know what to think...

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 24/02/2015 20:55:43    1696524

the rugby team is in no way reflective of irish society seeing as some wont sing our anthem while the majority of the rest come from fee paying schools and affluent backgrounds..things have improved but its still mainly made up of those from fee paying schools

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 24/02/2015 20:58:00    1696529

people prefer seeing these things live I guess.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 24/02/2015 21:00:43    1696530

the majority of people wont be affected by this in the slightest as they will be at their gaa match anyway..it makes nice headlines and all but its really a tiny minority who may or may not go to the gaa match that will be affected as they werent going to be attending both games

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 24/02/2015 21:01:41    1696531

MesAmis
In Limerick anyway rugby is certainly not just people from privilaged backgrounds, its the opposite if anything.. Paul o connell went to ard scoil, a big hurling public school, and is from rural limerick. conor murray is from a massive hurling town, patrickswell and went to munchins, a public school, keith earls is from moyross, a council estate.. I could go on...

Infact all the major limerick rugby schools ie comp, munchins, ard scoil, castletroy are all public schools with prolific gaa teams aswell...
Members of the big clubs like shannon, garryowen young munsters etc are not in upper class areas!

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 24/02/2015 21:02:55    1696533

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 9326

The irish rugby team is very much reflective of irish society. The private schools have so many playing pro level because they in general have more players training more, together etc. Blackrock are like a huge club. The school one attends is key as unlike GAA the schools and clubs seasons completely overlap and in many areas you either play clubs or schools. The irish side is reflective of irish society. I wont go to the bother of going through exactly where all go to school as whats the point. The squads aren't full of people from privileged(sic) backgrounds. Im not ignoring anybody actually

Wrong.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 24/02/2015 21:03:33    1696534

joncarter
County: Galway
there are plenty of people who support both the GAA and rugby, and its wrong to make them choose.
I think that pride and obstinacy are the main reasons people dont want to move the games.

Really? If the GAA wants to reschedule a league match to avoid clash with a big event, that's fair enough. But how is it wrong to make people choose? Its making a choice between which sporting event you want to watch, not choosing between which of your children you should sacrifice to the Nazi's.
If times are changed to allow you to watch both, great. If they happen to clash, just watch whichever one most interests you. Its not that much of an imposition to have to choose one, its only sport.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 24/02/2015 21:07:54    1696539

could somebody post the ireland 23 named for the england match and the school they attended just so the facts can speak for themselves?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 24/02/2015 21:08:48    1696541

I'd imagine some of the lads from the north couldn't really sing the anthem even if they wanted to fabio, others probably don't consider aran na bhfiann to be their anthem, that's just the reality of the situation. Being brutally honest though I couldn't care less who sings the anthem and who doesn't, once they're wearing the green of Ireland and giving everything they have for us I'm happy.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 24/02/2015 21:12:52    1696542

fabio8
County: USA
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the rugby team is in no way reflective of irish society seeing as some wont sing our anthem...

But there is a large section of Irish society who won't sing the anthem, unless you don't consider people in Northern Ireland part of Irish society?

It's good to see a 32 county team be successful, much like the cricket team.

Re moving game times, I'd say lots of the players would want to watch the rugby as well. A few fee paying school boys on the Dublin team anyway

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 24/02/2015 21:14:28    1696545