bumpernut hopefully that game will be played somewhere in the countryside as 'South West' teams in general are better followed so I reckon more neutrals will be attending from 'South West' clubs. As such it would be too much to expect these people to travel to Belfast for a game that should get a good turnout.

Who will win - St Galls have the sign over Cargin so it is hard to see past them though I so think Cargins best chance is drawing them early - look forward to it regardless.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 20/01/2015 15:46:56    1684842

Ha yeah saw that bumpernut - when is a seeded draw not a seeded draw? When the keystone board are involved. Couldn't script it.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 20/01/2015 15:47:47    1684844

BUMPERNUT
where can the draws be seen ?

redmick (Antrim) - Posts: 92 - 20/01/2015 15:56:56    1684848

And the winners play creggan you would imagine next.

Lamh dhearg will fancy their chances as they are in the weaker side.

Redmick the senior championship draws are in the irish news, not sure if theyre posted online anywhere

In the hurling its

Ballycastle v rossa
cushendall v st johns
loughgiel v st galls
dunloy v clooney gaels

I dont think its fair in the hurling, if this is the case of course, that the seeded teams then also get a home draw into the bargain!

Football its

prelim

st teresas v portglenone
lamh dhearg v st johns
ahoghill v st pauls

qf

st galls v cargin
creggan v ahoghill/st pauls
rossa v aldergrove
stteresas/portglenone v lamh dhearg/st johns

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 20/01/2015 16:41:06    1684866

naysayer id imagine if st galls are listed first it will be played in the city, prob lamh dheargs pitch

prob st galls v lamh dhearg final

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 20/01/2015 16:43:22    1684870

Ha yeah saw that bumpernut - when is a seeded draw not a seeded draw? When the keystone board are involved. Couldn't script it.

i cant work it out at all offside, surely its impossible if theyre both seeded.

Maybe the football wasnt seeded after all, i dunno you might know more than me

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 20/01/2015 16:47:38    1684872

Dunno bumpernut, heard it was seeded but then again hear a lot of things. If it was then I would have thought the two top seeds would be St Galls and Cargin meaning they could only have met in the final. But then again that's only my interpretation of how seeded draws work. Would be a lot clearer if our County actually communicated these and other matters with us rather than having to rely on different forums to hear what goes on.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 20/01/2015 17:37:48    1684890

Naysayer
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Statistics are everything when it comes to planning any major project, as this often gives a strong Indication of the probable viability of the project.

Gary I am a big fan of statistics and agree with the above statement.

However my point was that they should be used with caution and be appropriate. Have a leaf through the code of practice for official statistics some time ;)

Well considering my argument, I would say such Information is appropriate In this particular case. I'm baffled the GAA don't seem to have done any sort of study or statistics on the viability of this.

I've never been opposed to Casement Park getting a face-lift or Improved. I am opposed to an absolute fortune being spent on it ( £60-70 million stg ), only for the majority of Ulster GAA fans to experience a similar travel time they know from driving to Clones.
Sure the roads to Belfast may be better than those to Clones, but the Journey time is only marginally better.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 20/01/2015 20:37:35    1684986

KevHill
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GaryMac82: you can claim moral victory with statistics to back up your argument but ultimately Casement Park redevelopment is the "only show in town with no alternative venue". It may not be ideally located but it is what it is


Well actually Kev, you stated that I "can" claim moral victory with the Statistics to back up my argument.

Now considering the actual fight isn't on this forum and that this simply an argument about the logic of making Casement Park Ulster's Provincial Stadium, You have openly acknowledged that I won this argument.

You then continued with "But Ultimately Casement Park redevelopment is the only show in town, with no alternative venue". Basically in short "You won the argument Gary, but the Stadium will go ahead regardless".

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 20/01/2015 20:53:49    1684996

KevHill
Co Antrim,

GaryMac82; By the way will you apply the same vigour as to why is Brandywell being redeveloped when a more central ground would facilitate all the people of Derry?

Don't know how to say this, but Isn't the Brandywell the Derry City Council owned home of Derry City AFC and also Greyhound racing?.
And since it is already located within Derry City, I'm not quite sure what you mean.....Like I hope your aware that Co Derry has a few Soccer clubs?

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 20/01/2015 20:58:55    1684998

offside, the county website saying cargin and st galls were seeded for the first round only, i presume thats the prelim round.

Strange set up but then sure we are almost immune to their nonsensical decisions now

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 21/01/2015 10:17:27    1685061

Gary, another All Ireland title making its way to the GAA wasteland that is Andersonstown/West Belfast.

Congrats Rossa btw!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 16/02/2015 11:15:07    1693950

bumpernut
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Gary, another All Ireland title making its way to the GAA wasteland that is Andersonstown/West Belfast.

Congrats Rossa btw!

Ah now bumpernut........I think your being a bit harsh about West Belfast/Andersonstown, Calling it a wasteland because it doesn't contain the majority of Ulster Gaels is very bitter on your part.

It goes to show I hit a nerve a while back, otherwise you Antrim messer's wouldn't have reacted so strongly to my points.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 21/02/2015 13:26:02    1695465

Hate to say we told you so.

'Ulster Council secretary Danny Murphy has revealed that a new planning application for the proposed redevelopment of Casement Park will be submitted in the near future.

Ambitious plans to transform the ailing West Belfast venue into a 38,000 all-seater stadium were dealt a devastating blow before Christmas when the Mooreland and Owenvarragh Residents' Association mounted a successful legal challenge against the project going ahead.

However, Antrim and Ulster GAA chiefs are refusing to give up the ghost, with Murphy telling the Belfast Telegraph: "Obviously the planning process has to be followed, but we remain hopeful that the refurbishment work can begin on the first available date assuming that everything goes well in the interim.

"We were, of course, disappointed when our initial planning proposal was the subject of a court judgement last December but we have been taking precautions that all the necessary steps are now being followed."'

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 19/04/2015 16:06:36    1715449

Good news. Hopefully they cross all the t's and dot all the i's etc.

It'd be great for West Belfast and the GAA in general imo.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13777 - 20/04/2015 08:31:15    1715600

http://hoganstand.com/Antrim/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=236058

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 24/04/2015 10:49:56    1717026

We could debate all day Gary as to the benefits or downfalls of either green field sites or the upgrading of other Counties stadiums but again, this is all hypothetical as the stadium will be going ahead at Casement. From my understanding there were no issues with the Stadium itself and these went past the Judge but it was when they came to the Traffic Management in particular that Justice Horner deemed the process behind the information had been presented to be flawed and asked for the plans to be taken away and put through as an application again. I believe this is more to do with the Roads Service side (or whatever Dept looks after that within Stormont).

I may be wrong but I think come May or June next year you will see the plans being submitted again and I don't think we are going to see a stadium that is reduced or reduced much from the plans as submitted i.e. a 38,000 stadium - well certainly not down to the 20,000 figure that MORA have been pushing. I also think their celebrations may be a tad premature but sure we will sit back now and watch what way it unfolds in the next 6 months or so. Get the popcorn out!

Just hoked out my post from December last year when there were as lot of people spouting an awful lot of aul balls on here without any basis to what they were saying. What say ye now eh?

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 24/04/2015 11:26:29    1717047

Gary's campaign never really did take off did it!!

I also heard they are going to start firing up the changing rooms etc at Dunsilly within the next 5 or 6 weeks which is good news for St.Comgalls if nothing else!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 24/04/2015 12:26:38    1717085

Yeah though wasn't referring specifically to Gary there - just happened to be him who I was responding to in the post back in December. Were a number of posters with uniformed or ill-informed views on the matter. Still, nothing has been passed yet and you never know what twists and turns are ahead.

Hadn't heard that about Dunsilly but definitely a positive bit of news - God knows we are due some!

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 24/04/2015 12:41:08    1717094

Offside_Rule
County: Antrim
Posts: 2136

1717094 Yeah though wasn't referring specifically to Gary there - just happened to be him who I was responding to in the post back in December. Were a number of posters with uniformed or ill-informed views on the matter. Still, nothing has been passed yet and you never know what twists and turns are ahead.

This project is a dead duck, altho it prob will become a Lisbon treaty type affair. Although It's nice to see the huge parochial support from the Antrim posters still exists, even though the original planning for such an expensive and well funded project was deeply flawed and amateurish.

Combined with the poor arguments in favour of the project, this whole things has become a farce.

But for the Antrim fans, I'm sure One Direction or Take That will still play Belfast even now that this project has been blocked. You concert needs will be met somehow :)

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 24/04/2015 14:23:02    1717135