Who do you think is using more than one login by the way Gary and what logins are they using?

Im Spartacus i think....or maybe im not!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 05/01/2015 15:44:08    1680667

Anyhow it seems we've managed to bore all the other contributors and detractors into submission.

Gary we can offer you between 5 and 20k, depending your proximity to Casement of course, to conform!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 05/01/2015 15:50:31    1680670

Gary I'm on your side here. I don't want the stadium in Belfast as it is in no way central. I am from Donegal but don't even live in Ulster. I do manage to get to most games be in league/Championship or even mckenna cup but logistically I cannot go to a match in Belfast on a Sunday evening and be back and in working order for work on Monday morning. Even when we play in croker I generally take the mondays off and stay overnight to avoid the long distance.

I also agree that they are users using multiple logins but that is nothing new and not solely to do with Antrim but I think I know the few accounts you refer to.

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 05/01/2015 16:03:02    1680675

Dstruction

the obvious question is then, why dont you take the monday off work and stay overnight in Belfast when you have to visit Casement?

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 05/01/2015 16:24:26    1680687

duckula20
County: Antrim
Posts: 23

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When choosing the location of a stadium centrality etc is not a consideration, population base, access etc are much more important because the investment in a stadium requires that it be filled on multiple occasions. As examples the following stadia are nowhere near the centre of their respective locales and it doesn't cause too many issues, some other sports have been used.

Croke Park, central east
Wembly stadium South East
Hampden, South East
Millenium Stadium, South Central
Stade de france, North central.

The common thing with all these, large population centers, not ideally situated but stand a chance of being filled. By the logic being used here Croke Park should have been left to rack and ruin and a new stadium been built in Athlone, Mullingar or Tullamore, much more central locations. Would it be nice if a stadium could be built which was central, of course, is it going to happen, not unless a few hundred thousand people suddenly decide to move to cookstown.

Duckula my man, your argument fall at the first fence & doesn't even satisfy the criteria you set yourself.

All those stadia you mention are filled to capacity on regular occasions & have been filled to capacity for generations. Casement Park never gets more than a sprinkling of supporters & the only wat that will change is if bi games are brought to it. The fact that it is situated in Belfast is neither here nor there population wise as Belfast folk, for a variety of reasons, don't on the whole go next nor near the place.

I am on record as not being in favour of this developement simply because of the journey involved & because for all Clones's faults the atmosphere there is great on a big match day.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 05/01/2015 16:25:41    1680688

While we're on the issue of multiple logins dstruction and drumlinbelt, do either of you reside in derry.

The username beginning with 'd' is a dead give away given that gary is from 'd'erry!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 05/01/2015 16:29:19    1680690

Muckross,

You cannot fill a stadium, no matter where it is, if you dont have a match that is capable of drawing a crowd to fill it.

Tell me how many big matches casement has held recently? This was also the judge's opinion btw

I cant remember too many!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 05/01/2015 16:33:52    1680693

bumpernut
County: Antrim
Posts: 729

1680687
Dstruction

the obvious question is then, why dont you take the monday off work and stay overnight in Belfast when you have to visit Casement?

Ah yes, Stay overnight. Finally something positive to support having the Provincial Stadium in Belfast, the abundance of hotel rooms we can all book to break up our long Journey to Ulster Championship matches.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 05/01/2015 17:15:24    1680709

Does "fundamentally flawed" mean anything to many parochial Antrim posters. The judge blew this so called well thought out planning permission application out of the water because it was fundamentally flawed. This application from the Ulster Council was years in the making with special committees set up to work on the application and said project. These committees had all the financial and legal backing money could buy and all the resources you could shake a stick at, and yet the application was found to be fundamentally flawed and deemed unlawful.

As the residents said, "the Ulster Council just wouldn't listen to them" and it feels like many of the posters on here just won't listen to any other view if it doesn't tie in with their pro Casement narrative. This project is finished in it's current form as there is nowhere for it to now go, however, Casement should get a face lift which is acceptable to the residents and the focus should be on looking for a venue which suits the needs of all nine GAA counties, and that looks like a green field site in Tyrone with good road access in all directions and within reasonable commuter distance to all nine counties.

drumlinbelt (Monaghan) - Posts: 179 - 05/01/2015 17:21:15    1680711

Offside_Rule
County: Antrim
Posts: 1860

1680641 Gary I have given manys a decent arguement for Casement/Belfast and to be honest haven't had any decent arguements back to make me change my mind. Instead we get ill thought out suggestions of green field sites or provincial towns which have their own traffic problems etc on normal days and which would costs millions more than the cost of a stadium to remedy. If someone can provide a proposal which addresses all these, includes costs and where the money is going to come from then I am all ears.


Have you ever thought for a moment why the money was offered?

Perhaps it was because the British were giving vast sums of money to the IFA for Windsor Park, and also to the IRFU towards Ravenhill. As both of those projects are for teams mostly followed by the Unionist community, the British Government needed to make a similar contribution to the Nationalist community sporting project. And this is where the GAA come in.

Where is the money going to come from you asked? The money is already there, I would simply challenge the stipulation that the Stadium must be in Belfast. As logistically it isn't suitable as a Provincial Stadium.

You are wrong about the Green field site being ill thought, and locating a Stadium between Omagh and Ballygawley would avoid traffic Issues for anybody coming from Antrim, Down, Armagh, Monaghan, Cavan, Fermanagh, South Donegal and of course West Tyrone.

- We would have easy access for the bulk of Ulster Counties, allowing them to avoid Omagh traffic.
- The Stadium could have its own access to and from the new A5 dual carriageway.
- 95% of Ulster Gaels should be able to reach the Stadium in approximately 1 hour or less via car.
- With acres of free land, suitable parking could be built with park & ride operating on major match days.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 05/01/2015 17:57:21    1680726

The home of Ulster football should have rock and soil carted from all 9 Counties to make up the pitch and foundation, so that every County plays on home soil when playing there.

We should have builders, sparks, joiners etc from all 9 counties Involved in Construction, so that men from every corner of Ulster came together to help build it.

I want something special, something more than just concrete and executive suites. I want a Stadium with spirit. atmosphere and history, that will make kids aspire to play in it. A functional large Stadium in Ulster, that serves a purpose and serves our needs moving into the future.

I look at Munster, with Pairc Ui Chaoimh currently being redeveloped. They have Fitzgerald Stadium in Killarney, Gaelic Grounds in Limerick and of course Semple Stadium in Tipperary, all large Stadiums that can hold over 40,000.
Compare Munster to Ulster, where we have only one GAA Stadium capable of holding over 30,000 fans. I'm sure we could fund one ground somehow or expand/enhance existing grounds to suit our needs.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 05/01/2015 18:16:43    1680736

Come back to me when there is an actual decision on the planned Casement Development as its a dead debate til then. And bumper you can't be Spartacus as I am - what are you hiding eh???

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 05/01/2015 19:44:22    1680768

GaryMc82 the one valid point I would give you is that you say that those going to the games would find somewhere a little West of Belfast a more central point.

However this is the 21st Century, we are talking the largest stadium in the North of Ireland and all that goes with it. Yes it will be a GAA stadium but those of us who live in the real world realize that there is more to the utilization of a world class stadium than hosting Ulster Championship games. As such this make it is illogical not to put it in what is not only the largest City but also a Primate City.

But as other and myself keep telling you - all this debate is totally irrelevant - this application will be tidied up, resubmitted around the time that the Ulster Championship 2015 is off and running and will be confirmed in the time that follows.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 05/01/2015 21:57:39    1680809

GaryMc82 the one valid point I would give you is that you say that those going to the games would find somewhere a little West of Belfast a more central point.

I have said to Gary that the ideological place for something isn't necessary the best place for something in previous posts. Of course a stadium which is equidistant from the extremities of the Province would be ideal for all supporters purely from a travelling to and from point, but when you take a step back and think through how such a stadium would be viable, sustainable etc etc you realise why major stadiums are for the most part in major population centres. The fact that I am from the County in which this development is being planned doesn't in one way affect my judgement as to where a major stadium should be - If I was from Down, Tyrone, Derry or wherever my thinking would be the same. But why let this stop people using the parochial stick when all else fails - keep whacking boys.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 06/01/2015 10:01:15    1680827

bumpernut
County: Antrim
Posts: 729

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Dstruction

the obvious question is then, why dont you take the monday off work and stay overnight in Belfast when you have to visit Casement?

Ah yes, Stay overnight. Finally something positive to support having the Provincial Stadium in Belfast, the abundance of hotel rooms we can all book to break up our long Journey to Ulster Championship matches.


You're only an hour up the road, you'll hardly need to stay overnight!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 06/01/2015 10:41:31    1680833

I agree with you Offside_Rule regarding this parochial craic.

I could not care less if this stadium was located in Antrim or not. In fact if I was being parochial I would say that for Antrim a smaller stadium with a better chance of being closer to being filled would be more appropriate so maybe even better if this new stadium was taken elsewhere.

But we know it is going ahead in Casement so we are used to the idea and can accept the logic behind it with good grace.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 06/01/2015 10:57:33    1680835

On another note Gary tell us who is going under more than one name here - I could not be bothered to start trying to join the dots but at the same time I am intrigued.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 06/01/2015 11:02:36    1680837

For me the main concern with a new stadium is if I can get in and out quickly and there is good parking. It would take me 2.5 hours to get to Casement but I wouldn't mind if the infrastructure was good. Anybody who has been to Clones knows that the traffic congestion is a nightmare, although a great atmohere once you get there. It would be great to have a state of the art stadium wherever the location.

JimTheLegend (Donegal) - Posts: 247 - 06/01/2015 11:08:50    1680839

Drumlinbelt I really think you need to read the whole judgement on the stadium and more importantly, the comments the judge has made in relation to any new application - as ive said before, he has given the blue print of how the stadium will be passed, and pass it will in the near future.

As much as it pains me to say this as an Down man lol, the Antrim lads on this are dealing with reality of the situation and are correct - no stadium will be built in the bogs of Tyrone, near the lakes of Fermanagh or apple bushes in Armagh. Belfast or bust im afraid

This is a political decision with support from the shinners, stoops and the unionists and its to do with jobs and follow up jobs in West Belfast ontop of a new fit for purpose stadium for gaelic games in Ulster.

Casement Park II is alive and kicking

Tim_Burr (Down) - Posts: 460 - 06/01/2015 11:32:55    1680843

JimTheLegend Donegal is the one set of supporters I feel particularly sorry for given they support in good numbers, will have the longest journeys to matches in Belfast and due to their location have had years of getting regularly ignored/shafted when it comes to spending by the Government in the Republic.

I would hope that the good out of the hold up will be in the form of good proper consideration given to traffic flow, management and parking meaning that the proximity to the M1 will be fully utilized to make it very easy for people to get in and get away on match days. I would also be optimistic that a new stadium and the big occasions that come with it would see the surrounding area put on a decent match day experience.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 06/01/2015 13:31:35    1680885