Talking about Ulster teams and winning All Ireland's would people on here agree with me that partition hindered the six counties teams ?? It also hindered Donegal and of all the counties in the free state Donegal were worst affected.
Just look at the history of the Ulster championship::::: first titles for Tyrone 1956, Derry in 1958, Down in 1959 and finally Donegal in 1972. Kerry had probably won around 15 to 18 All Ireland's before any of the above mentioned counties won a provincial. So in fairness teams down South had a big advantage over most of the Northern teams( no discrimination against the GAA in the South and the citizens of the free state treated as equals unlike in the Six where Catholics were treated as second class citizens. )
Yet the GAA survived in Ulster and teams from the provience have had a lot of success.
As regards soft All Ireland's the Kerry posters should know the games most posters are referring to ::: games against Mayo /Cork and the result well known before half time.
Neither Tyrone or Armagh won soft A I 's against Kerry as the results were in doubt until near enough the final whistle. Also Donegal's All Ireland was achieved 2012 beating the All Ireland champions of 10/09/08/07/06/05/04/03 so all in all it was a fair performance by the County

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 15/09/2014 20:19:21    1652400

Sam
There is no doubt about it, the troubles had a massive effect on 6 county football, if they didn't have all that hassle I'm sure there would be a few more allirelands up north.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/09/2014 21:32:54    1652444

Yes Sam,there can be no argument there.Apart from Cavan upto the 40s,Ulster didnt really start to challenge until Down in the 60s,and even then there was a gap to the late 80s,90s.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 15/09/2014 21:43:04    1652455

Sam, agree with you that the six counties hindered Ulster teams progress. Just a little history, Kerry's first 5 All-Irelands were under British rule (I'm not counting free state rule!). In 1917 Kerry and Limerick did not contest the All-Ireland football and hurling championships due to too many players in prison for republican activities. I do admire the GAA in the six counties, had a lot to contend with during the troubles.

DanBreen (Kerry) - Posts: 73 - 16/09/2014 08:44:39    1652475

In fairness to Kerry, they were very close to beating Donegal in 2012, probably came the closest in fact. I think they could have a sting in the tail in this game. I had to laugh at mcguinness' comment about Kerry not being natural footballers though, it is probably the one thing you can say to a Kerry man that will strike a chord, and that is exactly what he is trying to do, unsettle them. Tyrone had a similar effect on them. Maybe it isn't so much ulster that affects Kerry as being unsettled as regards someone doubting them as footballers - something that they take such pride in.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 16/09/2014 10:54:36    1652554

Where is that invincible Dub/Leinster man the astute Snuffalufagus (is that spelled correctly) gone, I have not heard from him of late. I miss his soulful injections to this forum.

lostintime (USA) - Posts: 533 - 16/09/2014 10:58:54    1652557

Sam there is a fella called Conor Curran that has written a lot on history of the GAA in Donegal and if you're interested in that sort of thing look him up.

I don't think you can really state the Troubles had much of an impact on Donegal's GAA development. The fact is it was the appeal of soccer in the county that was major hindrance to the GAA. For example, first County Board was only formed there in 1905, the last Ulster county to form one. It collapsed in 1908 and it was only in 1919 that a permanent County Board was re-established. That's really why Donegal GAA took so long to get its act together. By then Kerry had won 5 All Irelands and was poised to dominate the game in the 1920s and early 1930s.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 16/09/2014 11:14:56    1652566

SamOnErrigal
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Talking about Ulster teams and winning All Ireland's would people on here agree with me that partition hindered the six counties teams ?? It also hindered Donegal and of all the counties in the free state Donegal were worst affected.
Just look at the history of the Ulster championship::::: first titles for Tyrone 1956, Derry in 1958, Down in 1959 and finally Donegal in 1972. Kerry had probably won around 15 to 18 All Ireland's before any of the above mentioned counties won a provincial. So in fairness teams down South had a big advantage over most of the Northern teams( no discrimination against the GAA in the South and the citizens of the free state treated as equals unlike in the Six where Catholics were treated as second class citizens. )
Yet the GAA survived in Ulster and teams from the provience have had a lot of success.
As regards soft All Ireland's the Kerry posters should know the games most posters are referring to ::: games against Mayo /Cork and the result well known before half time.
Neither Tyrone or Armagh won soft A I 's against Kerry as the results were in doubt until near enough the final whistle. Also Donegal's All Ireland was achieved 2012 beating the All Ireland champions of 10/09/08/07/06/05/04/03 so all in all it was a fair performance by the County

Bit like the soft 2012 final

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 16/09/2014 11:32:49    1652578

TheMaster I think you are reading too much into the Natural footballer comment.
He actually said that they worked so hard everything came naturally to them. He was talking about how his time in Kerry showed him the work rate and effort required to be at the top. He reference Moynihan and how good a player he was but he still wanted to improve.

He wasn't questioning their football at all he was saying the idea of Natural footballers is a myth because unless you put the effort in its no use.

That's what I read out of it anyway.

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 16/09/2014 11:40:08    1652584

Well dstuction, what I read out of it, and what was the underlying message in my opinion, was that Kerry weren't the natural footballers that they like to be seen as, but rather more 'grafters' or 'manufactured players' etc. He knows what he is at. Will Kerry be caught by it, that is the question...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 16/09/2014 12:15:12    1652603

I agree, I read nothing at all into that comment by Jim. You don't come out of the womb being a natural GAA player, like any skill its all about practice.

Why people might consider Kerry players as 'natural footballers' probably has more to do with the fact that down here more emphasis is placed from under age on the basic skills of the game rather than fitness or muscle development.

If there was some sinister underlying message behind what he said than it doesn't exactly work if most people don't see it. And even if McGuinness wanted to start anything, Fitzmaurice is the last man that will indulge. Down in Kerry we keep our mouths shut before games, best policy in the long run.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 16/09/2014 12:32:06    1652623

last 15 years Kerry 9 wins against ulster teams, draws 1, lost 6

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 21/09/2014 12:32:34    1654432

No, Kerry says No. We cant win every game we play, we may loose today and if so, it will be by being beaten by a better team. Good luck to both teams. today

kerryrowz (Kerry) - Posts: 833 - 21/09/2014 14:01:30    1654450

Both teams have a fear of football

pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 21/09/2014 16:45:48    1654494

while the troubles impacted most ulster counties are football only and have no dual issues. donegal have a sufficient amount of football clubs to have won more over the years.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1973 - 21/09/2014 17:04:04    1654497

Well done Kerry.Plenty of heart and guts.

HandyMoran (Roscommon) - Posts: 327 - 21/09/2014 17:20:45    1654519

Massive congratulations to Kerry today. Hats off to the management and players, it may go down as Kerry's best All Ireland in a long time. It is not a team blessed with the natural class of the past. In saying that the traditional Kerry football is gone for now, different eras evolve and from the turn of this century Kerry football has had to also evolve to compete with modern day football. I wouldnt say Kerry had a fear of Ulster football but the passion tackling and tactical nature of this type of game has required Kerry to follow suit and today is finally evidence that the kingdom have embraced modern day football to beat an Ulster county in an All Ireland final and fair play to them for that.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 21/09/2014 17:40:21    1654548