Sorry. Got your signals mixed up.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 13/09/2014 19:12:21    1651677

Armagh were still very good in 2006, even if it was the near the end of that team's cycle.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 13/09/2014 19:26:20    1651682

Ha ha ha, this clichéd auld sh*te again would you not think people would get sick of this tripe at this stage.

Jesus some lads just love to begrudge a county its fine tradition, hard fought for and won!

You know since I first started to post on this site around 5 months ago there has been at least a dozen topics which have rehashed this same crap. Kerry can't beat Ulster teams, we've won handy all Ireland's against poor sides blah blah blah.

It is a matter of record that in the fourteen seasons of championship football since 2000; Ulster teams have knocked Kerry out of the All Ireland on six occasions. However considering all of those side, bar Down in 2010, went on to win that year's All Ireland this statistic takes on a much more meaningful significance. In all these years only twice has Kerry exited the championship by a team which did not go on to win the Sam Maguire. Indeed since turn of the millennium Kerry's record against Ulster sides in championship football is played 16, won 10, drew 1 and lost 6. Impressive stuff for a county said to have problems defeating Ulster sides!

The rest of ye can get your knickers in twist about this stuff, down in the Kingdom we concentrate on winning All Irelands and hopefully by this time next Sunday we will have number 37 safely on his way home!

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 13/09/2014 19:27:16    1651683

All talk before Armagh in 06 was of a northern hex! Our toughest game of that championship to he honest. Close game there and we won with an awesome display in the final. 09 then was an opposite. We had an awesome quarter-final and a tough final. It's the way championships goes lads. Any county making plenty of All-Ireland finals know all about it!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8742 - 13/09/2014 19:28:51    1651684

Fabio.im a true Roscommon woman.my kids are Dubs.are you a new York man?

HandyMoran (Roscommon) - Posts: 327 - 13/09/2014 19:31:30    1651687

Legendzxix

As you say :::two all Munster All Ireland's and one All Ulster All Ireland. Which of the three was the toughest football played in , which of them was in doubt right up to the last ten minutes. ??? Don't forget in Armagh vTyrone an Armagh player was sent off under controversial circumstances halfway through the second half. In all honesty Kerry got it handy in them AI's v Cork and Mayo.
To quote J McG those finals were not very competitive. That's no fault of Kerry's. Kerry do and can beat Ulster teams in q-finals/semi-finals but do seem to struggle in Finals against Ulster teams.
Cuederocket
You say J Mc GUINNESS won't be able to do anything to stop quality ball into JoD and Donaghy. I think you are having us on as what you will see again is a ruthless master-class exhibition in blanket defending. Where will the notorious choking system leave the Kerry forwards ??? Do you think they will be allowed to run riot. I think you are another person who is underestimating Donegal.
After the drawn game James Horan said that Mayo should have done something to stop D Moran getting the long ball into K D that lead to JoD's goal. There were a couple of Mayo players around him but failed to stop him getting his kick in I think that K Donaghey is past his best but yet he is the man who has kept Kerry in this years championship. Do you not think that right now J McG is not drawing up plans for that type of play and also for the rest of the Kerry forwards and the whole team in general.
The difference in Donegal and Kerry forwards is we can bring M Murphy out the field( even put him in the back line) but Kerry won't or really can't bring out JoD God knows who will get our scores , including goals but we can guess that Kerry will be depending an awful lot on James o Donoghue to get most of their scores.
The other thing about Kerry beating Mayo , well I'd pay very little heed to it and to be honest a bad Kerry team would probably beat Mayo as Kerry seem to have a jinx over Mayo. How long is it since Mayo beat Kerry ( was it 1996) in the championship.
IMO I think it will be 2012 all over again , this DONEGAL TEAM won't be beat. I can tell you what :::: last years defeat to Mayo stung:::: JIM MC GUINNESS is put to prove a point next weekend
Now let's face it an awful lot of people on here wrote off Donegal( now is that not right)) :::: kept saying we were finished, not the team of 2012, certain players not in form and all this but to me I think this Donegal team never got the credit they should have. Next weekend will put that right. TOM and SAM for the HILLS

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 13/09/2014 19:35:50    1651690

3 out of our last 6 All-Irelands required beating the Ulster champion along the way. All 6 required beating an Ulster team at some stage..

This. So no is the answer

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 13/09/2014 19:39:19    1651692

kerry nothing to prove really...beating armagh in 2006 put an end to the that really..tyrone beat them simply because tyrone were a great side..kerry dont fear anybody..why would they..ulster teams seem to be more competitive against kerry but ulster teams in general seem to be more competitive against whoever it is

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 13/09/2014 19:55:57    1651694

No fear of Ulster in Kerry I'd say, respect of course fear not a hope. I still think it is an easy out for an entire Province to jump on the bandwagon of whatever team represents the province, as most Ulster people seem to do. Poor Kerry team only have their own supporters roaring for them I'd prefer rooting for my own county not all of Leinster in my case. What is the sense in that? Loyalty ?

lostintime (USA) - Posts: 533 - 13/09/2014 19:57:18    1651696

Sam,please dont put words in my mouth.What i said was,that IF Kerry happen to get good ball in to Donahy and O Donoghue,then theres not much any McGuinness plan can do.The difficult part for Kerry,and no doubt where JMG will have his homework done,will be getting that kind of ball in to the twin terrors.And i have never underestimated Donegal.I have given them ample credit for what they have achieved.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 13/09/2014 20:06:13    1651704

13/09/2014 18:50:09
Superglue
County: Kerry
Suggesting Kerry fears ulster suggests soft all irelands for the winners

lol, fair point! With this fear the Kingdom have of the Ulster Region, '02, '05 and '08 were all soft All-Irelands so! Donegal have nothing to fear on Sunday week at all and people then have the audacity to suggest we are playing down the chances of out county!!

Donegal's 2012 All-Ireland must also fall within this soft All-Ireland bracket. All they had to do was beat a team with a fear of Ulster in the quarter-finals, the Munster rivals in the semi-finals and then beat the '04 and '06 runners-up in the final. Has any Ulster All-Ireland been hard won at all?!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8742 - 13/09/2014 20:07:22    1651706

Sam,please dont put words in my mouth.What i said was,that IF Kerry happen to get good ball in to Donahy and O Donoghue,then theres not much any McGuinness plan can do.The difficult part for Kerry,and no doubt where JMG will have his homework done,will be getting that kind of ball in to the twin terrors.And i have never underestimated Donegal.I have given them ample credit for what they have achieved.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 13/09/2014 20:10:29    1651708

interesting fact in Martin McHugh column in Star today.Since 1953 Kerry have played 6 Ulster teams in finals only winning one.1986 against Tyrone.The so called team of the decade of the noughties never beat Tyrone/Armagh in their prime,only beating average Mayo/Cork teams in the final.Will Kerry end their Ulster jinx against Donegal or will they be using the "were in transition excuse" posted by many Kerry posters??

Your quoting a load of bull by a man who wanders the hills looking for "two trick ponies", if you must quote GAA journalists at least quote one who knows what he's on about....

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3747 - 13/09/2014 20:12:52    1651709

HandyMoran
County: Roscommon
Posts: 212

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Fabio.im a true Roscommon woman.my kids are Dubs.are you a new York man?

That's what this fabio does handy. Accused me of being a Dub because I pulled him/her up on a generalization. Seems to have issues with some counties alright.

BallBearing (USA) - Posts: 72 - 13/09/2014 20:22:16    1651715

Where is my fellow Leinster man Snafalufagus, did I spell that correct? I presume he is backing Donegal (as in ABK)?

lostintime (USA) - Posts: 533 - 13/09/2014 20:37:18    1651720

Hold on , I just spoke to my one mate from Kerry and yes they are shaking with the thought of playing Ulster not Donegal. They thought they were only playing one county not the entire nine of them. Poor Kerry lads, word is they closed their training so as to decide on a different strip for the 21st not to upset Donegal. Perhaps a Tyrone shade of red? To assure both teams in the final bare a resemblance to Ulster teams. Calm down I am only being as ludicrous as some of the sentiment I have read here of late. Judge on football terms not on the origin of teams please, we all live on this small island. And we have been seperated long enough, without bringing that vein of thickness into a game. Be loyal to your county, not Province. That is why we have the Railway Cup!

lostintime (USA) - Posts: 533 - 13/09/2014 20:45:51    1651723

Legendzxix, perhaps every all-ireland ever won has been a soft all-ireland.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 13/09/2014 20:51:17    1651728

a true roscommon woman who talks about nothing except the dubs..nothing wrong with the dubs at all..maybe i just pulled you up on reality ballbearing...you seem to be the only one making generalisations

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 13/09/2014 21:03:23    1651734

13/09/2014 19:35:50
SamOnErrigal
County: Donegal
Posts: 620

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Legendzxix

As you say :::two all Munster All Ireland's and one All Ulster All Ireland. Which of the three was the toughest football played in , which of them was in doubt right up to the last ten minutes. ??? Don't forget in Armagh vTyrone an Armagh player was sent off under controversial circumstances halfway through the second half. In all honesty Kerry got it handy in them AI's v Cork and Mayo.
To quote J McG those finals were not very competitive. That's no fault of Kerry's. Kerry do and can beat Ulster teams in q-finals/semi-finals but do seem to struggle in Finals against Ulster teams.

'09 was a fiercely contested final. Ye beat our '04 and '06 final opponents in the 2012 final. Do you rate ye're '12 final as soft? If Kerry have this struggle against Ulster teams, were all those wins for the victors then soft as a result?
In '05 and '08 you're speaking of a team that had won All-Irelands the previous year. Does that not factor into an equation some where?
Why are we not looking at more all-Ulster finals? After 2003 many expected Tyrone and Armagh to dominate for a number of years. Kerry went on to win 4 of the next 6 All-Irelands and appeared in all six finals.
With this Kerry struggle of Ulster teams, ye must be rubbing ye're hands with glee ahead of the final? Ye seem well setup to claim a second soft All-Ireland with in 3 years.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8742 - 13/09/2014 21:04:59    1651735

I think this final will suit Kerry nicely. Donegal possibly played their final against Dublin and with the way they dispatched them with ease many expect them to go on and lift Sam.

Kerry could not ask for a better set of circumstances to be facing any team in an All Ireland Final and will be in with a very good chance of winning it even though I still think McGuiness will steer Donegal home but it will not be handy.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 13/09/2014 21:06:19    1651736