of the irish 11 v poland only 3 were non irish i think?...2 of them mcgeady and mccarthy chose ireland over scotland...walters was the other....but dont let facts get in the way of a rant...the fai are a joke but no need to take that out on the team itself

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 22/04/2015 20:34:57    1716554

county man
how is it too much of a jump thats all rubbish talk
look at sean boylans meath team
he got guys from junior b teams and brought them into the meath senior team
a player has talent or he doesnt
his club address shouldnt determine anything
thats just like colleges selecting from housins addresses over acedemic ability

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/04/2015 11:17:01    1716637

ormond

im not pinning them solely on them but they run the organisation
they should have been keeping far better tracks on clubs under their wings
they should have stepped in on numerous occasions and dug out clubs or assisted
instead they solely concentrate on the national team which is supposed to be a representation of the league of ireland
which makes a mockery of the situation that by playing in the league of ireland means you will never get a chance to
represent your country.
the standard means nothing if your good enough to play football your club name address should not matter
wes hollahan I can 100% guarnatee you was in his prime in his mid 20tys and was overlooked because of this
now you have people like dunphy over last 2 years calling for him because he plays for an english club
when he wouldnt bother to go down to tolka park and take a look at him when he played with shels

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/04/2015 11:22:03    1716639

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wes hoolihan was picked after he delivered at the higher level in england..you do realise he went via scotland to england...well of course our soccer players dont play here..look what the average wage is...the likes of damien duff robbie keane and seamus coleman are brits are they?..rugby players still play here because they get paid very well and the provincial sides can compete...in soccer the bigger leagues are on a different level to everybody else...the fai are a bit of a joke though yes

thats rubbish fabio
wes hollahan was an outstanding player with shels and was in his prime
fro the age of 21-27 he played there
you cannot tell me a player gets better in their 30tys?
again what should the average wage matter to who represents a country?
do you have to earn a certain amount to play for ireland?
you give out about rugby being elitist and snobbish well if you have to earn a certain wage to represent your country
in soccer thats absolutely disgraceful.
the best leagues in soccer arent the biggest wages you do realise that the premier league despite
all the hoopla they market to you is about 5th in europe these days
I always laugh when I hear the likes of kilbane or whelan waffle on about the other leagues that they have it easy
what do they think england has 10-20 teams vying for the title
there is 2-3 at best at the start of each year who can with the title the same as the rest of europe
the differance being the two or 3 in the other countrys are far better than the two or three in england.
several sides in ireland tried to make the break through to that level and were given no backing by the FAI
shels were the closest and invested heavily and came within 30 minutes of that breakthrough
others like bohs rovers sligo and drogheda also put the money in and went bust
but they gave it a go and of course when the s*** hit the fan the FAI didnt want to know

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/04/2015 11:29:30    1716644

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of the irish 11 v poland only 3 were non irish i think?...2 of them mcgeady and mccarthy chose ireland over scotland...walters was the other....but dont let facts get in the way of a rant...the fai are a joke but no need to take that out on the team itself

thats one given match
we have news all week over another recruit in grealish
what about these just a few to name who represented us over the last number of years
mark kinsella,stephen mcphail,liam lawrence,jason mcateer,james mccarthy,aiden mcgeady
anthony pilkington,darren potter,steven reid,martin rowlands,leon best,david connolly,
simon cox,gary doherty,caleb folan,clinton morrison,jay tabb,jon walters,
phil babb,gary breen,alex bruce,ciaran clark,curtis fleming,kevin kilbane
sean st ledger,mick mccarthy,alex pearce,lee carsley,rory delap,paul green,matt holland
and im sure theres many more

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/04/2015 11:48:13    1716652

23/04/2015 11:22:03 hill16no1man
Ormond im not pinning them solely on them but they run the organisation, they should have been keeping far better tracks on clubs under their wings. they should have stepped in on numerous occasions and dug out clubs or assisted instead they solely concentrate on the national team which is supposed to be a representation of the league of Ireland which makes a mockery of the situation that by playing in the league of ireland means you will never get a chance to represent your country. the standard means nothing if your good enough to play football your club name address should not matter. wes hollahan I can 100% guarnatee you was in his prime in his mid 20s and was overlooked because of this now you have people like dunphy over last 2 years calling for him because he plays for an english club when he wouldnt bother to go down to tolka park and take a look at him when he played with shels The FAI is the governing body and cant do huge amounts more to the day to day runnings of specific clubs. How can you expect limited FAI resources to be spread out so much to do that. They don't just concentrate on the national side but the national side is the primary income maker for the FAI so what do you want them to do. The league of Ireland isn't the same standard as most English leagues so unless truly exceptional if playing LOI you wont play for Ireland.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/04/2015 12:18:31    1716665

ormond

the gaa run their ship far better
they take an interest in each county and have assisted them who are in need
you say the national side is the primary income maker
well thats the problem they have a league running week in week out at their exposal
and they do nothing to generate income from it
theres 12 teams in the premier division
thats 6 matches each week
how many games a year do the international team play?
the english leagues arent the same standard as most top european but they dont have a problem
if your good enough your club should not matter
you of all people who trumps micky mousers in rugby like connaught and zebre and the likes
should surely know that if their players are good they deserve their chance

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/04/2015 12:37:55    1716674

Totally off topic . Start another thread .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6177 - 23/04/2015 13:05:59    1716685

23/04/2015 12:37:55
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Ormond the gaa run their ship far better they take an interest in each county and have assisted them who are in need you say the national side is the primary income maker well thats the problem they have a league running week in week out at their exposal and they do nothing to generate income from it. theres 12 teams in the premier division thats 6 matches each week. how many games a year do the international team play? the english leagues arent the same standard as most top european but they dont have a problem if your good enough your club should not matter. you of all people who trumps micky mousers in rugby like connaught and zebre and the likes
should surely know that if their players are good they deserve their chance Do they in most aspects? Players at all levels in soccer(and rugby) get consistent games all through the year in their main competitions and are not treated like a joke like is the case in many places with club championships and players in the GAA. How do teams in soccer not do anything to generate income???? How can you be so foolish to say something like that. Its abundantly clear the national side, with its tv money, big attendances etc is the main income for the FAI. 6 games a week with fairly small attendances, few games on tv compared to international games nearly all on tv. 000s at them
English leagues may not be same standard as European leagues but that is irrelevant. They are better than the irish league.
What the f*** is a "mickey mouser"? Who are the "mickey mousers" in hurling/gaelic/soccer as if they exist in rugby they exist in all other sports.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/04/2015 13:16:32    1716693

Do they in most aspects? Players at all levels in soccer(and rugby) get consistent games all through the year in their main competitions and are not treated like a joke like is the case in many places with club championships and players in the GAA. How do teams in soccer not do anything to generate income???? How can you be so foolish to say something like that. Its abundantly clear the national side, with its tv money, big attendances etc is the main income for the FAI. 6 games a week with fairly small attendances, few games on tv compared to international games nearly all on tv. 000s at them
English leagues may not be same standard as European leagues but that is irrelevant. They are better than the irish league.
What the f*** is a "mickey mouser"? Who are the "mickey mousers" in hurling/gaelic/soccer as if they exist in rugby they exist in all other sports.

you clearly missed the point i was making regarding what they could achieve from prmoting the league of ireland
the national team have what 5 or 6 home games a year
with 6 games a week in the league of ireland they have a scope their to equal the income the national team makes for them
in any given year but they do nothing towards the game in this country outside of the national set ups.
you clearly know well what a micky mouser is so dont come on the posh t*** about it all
division 4 teams in football and lowry meagher teams in hurling would be micky mousers

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/04/2015 14:03:27    1716715

Totally off topic . Start another thread boys .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6177 - 23/04/2015 14:20:06    1716722

League Finals on Saturday and Sunday. The Div.1 Final features two of the countries top sides Cork and Dublin. So you would imagine the RTE website would preview the game with some of the exciting highlights from the sides recent group meeting (Cork 1-15 Dublin 0-16) or maybe even last year's semi-final when Dublin came from 7 points down after 7 minutes to record an astonishing 7 point victory (Dublin 2-20 Cork 2-13). But no. RTE decided instead to go back 28 years to a game that RTE describe as a 'farce' the 1987 meeting when Cork refused to play extra-time. Trust RTE to find something negative to say before a big game. I'm sure all the D4 guys had a good laugh putting it together although how footage from 1987 acts as a preview for this weekend is anyone's guess. The trend continues.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 23/04/2015 16:57:12    1716802

sure of course the average wage matters...if the league is poor and the pay is poor obviously you are going to move to a bigger league and better pay...in rugby we are able to afford to pay our international players which is why we are able to retain them...this is basic common sense

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 23/04/2015 19:25:23    1716864

blaming the fai for shels going bust?...spend what you can afford..no excuses..football is a business..they took a risk and paid the price...0 sympathy for them...the same goes for portsmouth and leeds

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 23/04/2015 19:27:07    1716866

well obviously your club matters because its the level your playing at......what country in the world picks players from a div 3-4 standard which is what the league of ireland is?...do spain or england pick players from the lower leagues?...obviously not....your trying to compare gaa to club soccer which is on a completely different level in terms of pool of players and scouting and so on

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 23/04/2015 19:29:56    1716867

a lot of league of ireland fans like to claim they are true football fans but then completely contradict themselves by not supporting the national team..i have noticed this on occasion with a certain element of them...how can you call yourself an irish football supporter if you dont support the irish team?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 23/04/2015 19:34:57    1716869

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a lot of league of ireland fans like to claim they are true football fans but then completely contradict themselves by not supporting the national team..i have noticed this on occasion with a certain element of them...how can you call yourself an irish football supporter if you dont support the irish team?

the answer to that is quite simple
if the irish national team was not packed with non nationals then you would have them supporters
they support the IRISH LEAGUE which the IRISH NATIONAL TEAM is supposed to be a representation of
yet the very fact you play in IRELAND means you have no chance of playing for IRELAND
if you cannot see how embarrising that is and how anybody who gives there time or effort to soccer in ireland
gets completly left out in the cold is totally unfair
sure at that rate longford gaa should try get any dublin or kerry player to play for them if they have
a dogs uncles grannys mother from the county

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/04/2015 20:00:47    1716876

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a lot of league of ireland fans like to claim they are true football fans but then completely contradict themselves by not supporting the national team..i have noticed this on occasion with a certain element of them...how can you call yourself an irish football supporter if you dont support the irish team?

The overwhelmingly vast majority of LoI supporters fully support the national team from my experience.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13792 - 23/04/2015 20:06:52    1716877

the team isnt packed with non nationals...the facts speak for themselves..how many players on the brazil team are from the brazilian league?..generally their team is full of players from the top european leagues like most national sides...how many of the belgian team play in the belgian league?...to play international football at any sort of decent level then your side generally needs to have players playing at a standard better than div 3 england or so which is what the league of ireland is...anybody with a clue about football knows this..there is numerous players on the irish team currently who have come through the league of ireland..name me 1 player hill who is good enough to be on the irish team at the minute from the league of ireland?..if they were good enough they would get a move to a better team and league..its pretty basic stuff....the gaa is not professional sport...globalisation has led to numerous instances were players dont play for the country of their birth...diego costa is the best known current example of this...ireland are known for their large emigrant population...we are making full use of it...the likes of mcgeady and mccarthy chose to play for ireland

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 23/04/2015 20:11:48    1716879

as they should mesamis...a lot would be the hardcore element of those that support the national team as well....there is an element though that dont as shown by hill on this thread....i have noticed it elsewhere also...have you yourself?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 23/04/2015 20:14:12    1716880