Very little Greengrass to be fair. It veered ofc into talking about Diageo sponsoring a responsible drinking campaign and I might have taken it down a boreen !

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7910 - 27/02/2015 20:30:55    1697533

No bother GreenandRed .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6177 - 27/02/2015 20:57:56    1697546

What some posters may not realise is that the England U20 side that beat Ireland last night, live on RTE of course, is not made up of the best players of that age in England. England can only pick players who are not required by their club the weekend of the game. So last night for example England were missing their out half from their previous game with Italy because he is named amongst the subs for his clubs game today. Yet if you see the coverage the U20 6Nations gets on RTE you would think it is a competition of great importance and prestige.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 28/02/2015 13:47:57    1697637

The same applies to the Women's rugby union 6N as to the U-20's. For their opening match England (against Wales) were without 12 of their World Cup panel who we're playing 7 a side matches instead. This year 7's rugby is far more important to England than the 6N which as a result has been robbed of all meaning. It's a situation which the Irish media and RTE in particular have kept hidden in an effort to hype up largely meaningless games. In spite of this RTE deemed last night's women's match worthy of full live radio coverage on 2FM a station which tonight is completely ignoring the NFL games and the Fitzgibbon Cup Final even though the Tyrone Derry game alone has attracted a crowd 3 or 4 times the attendance in Ashbourne last night. But then any old thing is good enough for GAA licence payers. Obviously our money is'nt worth as much as the currency in D4.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 28/02/2015 20:28:07    1697740

Still waiting for someone to explain why the 'Out of control' drinking campaign supported by Irish rugby union's greatest supporter Guinness and the Irish Rugby Union Players Association is using camogie as their target in their ads? When you consider that the IRFU still won't ban drinking in the stands at international matches it makes you wonder. It seems ever score in rugby union is an opportunity for the drinks companies to have their drinks advertised in a form of subliminal advertising. What message does supporters celebrating every score pint in hand send out to young viewers? This kind of thing normalises heavy drinking and the belief that you cannot celebrate success without alcohol. It beggars belief that broadcasters continue to show these crowd shots during rugby matches. Does any other sport allow people to drink in the stands? Camogie certainly doesn't.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 04/03/2015 21:24:26    1699307

Good article on the state of rugby.

https://ewanmackenna.wordpress.com/2015/03/02/think-this-is-rugby-country-then-think-again/

donegaldouble (Donegal) - Posts: 317 - 05/03/2015 08:19:57    1699318

This kind of thing normalises heavy drinking and the belief that you cannot celebrate success without alcohol.

In my opinion that's an allegation with no basis whatsoever. They let people drink pitchside at The Aviva and other rugby venues because they know there will be no trouble. They also serve alcohol in Croke Park but allegedly won't let you bring drink in to your seat though I've seen people drinking the beer they buy in Croker in their seats. Depending on stewards I think some, rightfully, don't mind people drnking if they're not causing bother. Soccer matches don't have alcohol on sale here. Rightly or wrongly they think that might cause trouble.

Mediaman, for a man that dislikes rugby so much and uses this thread in a non-proactive rant against rugby, you seem to watch a lot of rugby!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7910 - 05/03/2015 11:18:32    1699378

28/02/2015 13:47:57 Soma
What some posters may not realise is that the England U20 side that beat Ireland last night, live on RTE of course, is not made up of the best players of that age in England. England can only pick players who are not required by their club the weekend of the game. So last night for example England were missing their out half from their previous game with Italy because he is named amongst the subs for his clubs game today. Yet if you see the coverage the U20 6Nations gets on RTE you would think it is a competition of great importance and prestige. Same is true about irish side and a player or two missing doesn't mean the competition isn't of great importance and prestige.
28/02/2015 20:28:07 mediaman
The same applies to the Women's rugby union 6N as to the U-20's. For their opening match England (against Wales) were without 12 of their World Cup panel who we're playing 7 a side matches instead. This year 7's rugby is far more important to England than the 6N which as a result has been robbed of all meaning. It's a situation which the Irish media and RTE in particular have kept hidden in an effort to hype up largely meaningless games. In spite of this RTE deemed last night's women's match worthy of full live radio coverage on 2FM a station which tonight is completely ignoring the NFL games and the Fitzgibbon Cup Final even though the Tyrone Derry game alone has attracted a crowd 3 or 4 times the attendance in Ashbourne last night. But then any old thing is good enough for GAA licence payers. Obviously our money is'nt worth as much as the currency in D4. Womens 6Nations hasn't been robbed of all meaning and id love you to try say something like that to the players/coaches involved. The game isn't largely meaningless and its completely foolish to say that
04/03/2015 21:24:26 mediaman
Still waiting for someone to explain why the 'Out of control' drinking campaign supported by Irish rugby union's greatest supporter Guinness and the Irish Rugby Union Players Association is using camogie as their target in their ads? When you consider that the IRFU still won't ban drinking in the stands at international matches it makes you wonder. It seems ever score in rugby union is an opportunity for the drinks companies to have their drinks advertised in a form of subliminal advertising. What message does supporters celebrating every score pint in hand send out to young viewers? This kind of thing normalises heavy drinking and the belief that you cannot celebrate success without alcohol. It beggars belief that broadcasters continue to show these crowd shots during rugby matches. Does any other sport allow people to drink in the stands? Camogie certainly doesn't. Why should IRFU ban drinking in the stands at games? Does the drink cause trouble? Is their a security issue as if there isn't why should peoples freedom be restricted?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 05/03/2015 12:33:18    1699406

Why should IRFU ban drinking in the stands at games?

It looks terrible IMHO

ExLaoistalk (Laois) - Posts: 25 - 05/03/2015 12:58:05    1699421

05/03/2015 12:58:05
ExLaoistalk
It looks terrible IMHO Does it? But there is no trouble and doesn't cause anyone harm so why change it?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 05/03/2015 15:19:21    1699485

ah ormond you cannot be serious when you see grown men and women sitting watching a sports match with plstic alcohol
glasses it clearly looks terrible and sends a bad message out to kids
as it creates a link between the two, why on earth do you need to drink when watching a match anyway?
surely you could enjoy the game and go for a drink after if alcohol is that neccessary

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/03/2015 15:50:30    1699505

There was a lot of opprobrium heaped upon the GAA as a result of its ties with Guinness Ormond. The IMO publicly censured The GAA for its relationship with Guinness . No such opprobrium has been directed at The IRFU despite the fact that Guinness have a very obvious presence at international matches. There is a debate underway about the abuse of alcohol in this country. Sponsorship of sport by alcohol companies has to be allowed to continue until commensurate alternative sponsorship is sourced. However The IRFU needs to rethink its policy in relation to allowing people to bring alcohol to their seats during matches. Refraining from alcohol for an hour and a half does no one any harm.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6177 - 05/03/2015 15:55:36    1699509

05/03/2015 15:50:30 hill16no1man
ah ormond you cannot be serious when you see grown men and women sitting watching a sports match with plstic alcohol
glasses it clearly looks terrible and sends a bad message out to kids
as it creates a link between the two, why on earth do you need to drink when watching a match anyway?
surely you could enjoy the game and go for a drink after if alcohol is that neccessary It doesn't look terrible. Who are you to say people cant drink when watching a match. There is 000s who do it in Croke Park and many 000s of stadiums world wide. People go to games to support their team but its a social occasion/time of relaxation and people can enjoy a drink if they desire one. As long as no trouble why stop them.
05/03/2015 15:55:36 Greengrass
There was a lot of opprobrium heaped upon the GAA as a result of its ties with Guinness Ormond. The IMO publicly censured The GAA for its relationship with Guinness. No such opprobrium has been directed at The IRFU despite the fact that Guinness have a very obvious presence at international matches. There is a debate underway about the abuse of alcohol in this country. Sponsorship of sport by alcohol companies has to be allowed to continue until commensurate alternative sponsorship is sourced. However The IRFU needs to rethink its policy in relation to allowing people to bring alcohol to their seats during matches. Refraining from alcohol for an hour and a half does no one any harm.IRFU doesn't and shouldn't have to stop people from purchasing drink during a game. It does nobody any harm that theyre allowed to drink.
The public and media criticised the GAA and that's the issue. Rugby has nothing to do with that. People clearly don't have a moral view that the link between rugby and alcohol is harmful but do see it in the GAA.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 05/03/2015 16:07:30    1699520

hill16no1man
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ah ormond you cannot be serious when you see grown men and women sitting watching a sports match with plstic alcohol
glasses it clearly looks terrible and sends a bad message out to kids
as it creates a link between the two, why on earth do you need to drink when watching a match anyway?
surely you could enjoy the game and go for a drink after if alcohol is that neccessary

I agree Hill. However, remember the GAA do it to (as in you can buy alcohol in the stadium - in some stadiums). I am totally against. Not because I am some prude that is against alcohol (I love a night or a day on the sauce) but because as you said, the entertainment is in the match. If you feel the need to have a drink and watch the match, then you can go to the pub and watch, you can stay at home and watch it and drink and get drunk as skunk as is your right (and many of us do it). There should be at least one venue where there is no alcohol- the venue. That is my opinion.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 05/03/2015 19:11:00    1699573

Ormond alcohol is a harmful and addictive drug
Just because its legal does not make it goes for you
They don't let you smoke at games the same rule should apply to alcohol. Sport is q healthy pastime
Alcohol is quite the opposite and shouldn't be promoted together and beamed to kids as what you do when you go to matches

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/03/2015 19:31:59    1699578

people dont do it in croke park..its not allowed..you cant bring a drink to your seat..it looks terrible holding a pint in the crowd surrounding by underage people

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 05/03/2015 19:38:23    1699582

but sure how isnt that a bias then ormond if they see it in gaa and dont see it in rugby despite a much bigger drinking culture in rugby?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 05/03/2015 19:39:16    1699584

A recent Joe Duffy show highlighted the trouble caused by alcohol soused louts at rugby union matches in Lansdowne Road jumping up and down spilling their pints over anyone and everyone in their vicinity. Ordinary rugby union fans were the ones who were complaining about this anti-social behaviour. Perhaps the time has also come for RTE to warn parents before matches that RTE's coverage contains 'product placement' of a nature unsuitable for impressionable young children. Time for the IRFU to get out from under the thumb of their sponsors and stand up for what is right and decent. The GAA doesn't allow drinking in the stands. The IRFU should learn from this good example.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 05/03/2015 19:50:02    1699591

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There was a lot of opprobrium heaped upon the GAA as a result of its ties with Guinness Ormond. The IMO publicly censured The GAA for its relationship with Guinness . No such opprobrium has been directed at The IRFU despite the fact that Guinness have a very obvious presence at international matches. There is a debate underway about the abuse of alcohol in this country. Sponsorship of sport by alcohol companies has to be allowed to continue until commensurate alternative sponsorship is sourced. However The IRFU needs to rethink its policy in relation to allowing people to bring alcohol to their seats during matches. Refraining from alcohol for an hour and a half does no one any harm.

I always found that strange.

The GAA/Guinness partnership was hounded out of existance by certain elements in the media. Fair enough but it was slightly galling that the same standards weren't applied to other sports. Very little murmur about rugby having a Cider League and Beer Cup!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13792 - 05/03/2015 20:03:10    1699599

Ormond you are not allowed bring your beer to your seat in Croke Park. You are allowed to do so in The Aviva . The IMO criticised The GAAs links with Guinness whilst saying nothing about the ubiquitous presence of Guinness at rugby internationals. That was hypocrisy on the part of our doctors .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6177 - 05/03/2015 21:19:51    1699637