17/08/2014 21:03:00
fabio8
because private upper class schools are a very small minority in this country..the hogan cup covers a far wider base for instance as its an all ireland competition and has smaller competitions within it which are huge such as the macrory cup There is only a small few schools who are private upper class schools in the schools cups. In the McMullan Cup, development cups which are all linked into the main schools cup the majority of schools are not private, fee paying schools.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 18/08/2014 10:33:16    1638212

How many teams from these development competitions have broken in to the main Leinster Schools senior competition ?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6183 - 18/08/2014 10:40:31    1638223

Competition??? How many times have Blackrock College won the Senior Cup?

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 18/08/2014 11:50:43    1638268

18/08/2014 10:40:31
Greengrass
How many teams from these development competitions have broken in to the main Leinster Schools senior competition?Pats Navan have been in junior cup quite a bit recently. Quite regularly there has been sides from the development competitions over the years beating league schools in the Vinnie Murray and made top 16
18/08/2014 11:50:43 mod
Competition??? How many times have Blackrock College won the Senior Cup? Yeah competition irrespective of Blackrock winning more cups than the rest combined. They have always been a monstrous school and totally dominated the cup in opening decades(1890s, 1900s, 1910s, 20s 30s)

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 18/08/2014 13:17:02    1638318

Fair play to the Irish ladies rugby team for their achievements, I don't wish to downplay them but their exploits have hardly caught the imagination of the Irish sporting public.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 18/08/2014 14:19:43    1638361

What Ormond should have said was Blackrock College has dominated all through the competitions existence. Recent wins 2004 2006 2009 2013 2014. They have won it 68 times. The next best is Belvedere and Terenure who have won it 10 times each. Not much of a competition.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 18/08/2014 15:29:15    1638405

18/08/2014 15:29:15
mod
What Ormond should have said was Blackrock College has dominated all through the competitions existence. Recent wins 2004 2006 2009 2013 2014. They have won it 68 times. The next best is Belvedere and Terenure who have won it 10 times each. Not much of a competition. Standard is very high and certainly is a v competitive competition.
Kerry have 36 of 126 titles and Dublin have 24 of 126 titles. Next best are Galway with 9...
Why do you only ever see bad in rugby?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 18/08/2014 16:05:46    1638435

what's this got to do with rte news not giving the GAA it's fair share? In Ormo's own words the sports are a behemoth in Ireland so why don't they receive behemoth coverage from our national media and behemoth investment from our sports grants. Yes they get a lot but not their fair share.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 18/08/2014 17:25:52    1638482

18/08/2014 17:25:52
Jack_Goff
what's this got to do with rte news not giving the GAA it's fair share? In Ormo's own words the sports are a behemoth in Ireland so why don't they receive behemoth coverage from our national media and behemoth investment from our sports grants. Yes they get a lot but not their fair share. Jack you may find responses from me to be a bit better and nicer if you refer to me by my name - Ormond or ormondbannerman.
What would you define as a fair share for the GAA? Try respond using one of the above two names.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 18/08/2014 21:17:02    1638604

jack what would you define as a fair share for the GAA?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 20/08/2014 20:26:11    1639636

I invite posters to listen to how many times RTE radio bulletins end with 'and finally GAA' and this in the middle of the championship. Even more telling was the RTE television news last Saturday when the final sports item about the ladies football quarter-finals was introduced with the words 'and briefly'. The RTE mindset is clear for all to see and hear.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 20/08/2014 20:54:46    1639648

Fair points mediaman.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6183 - 21/08/2014 12:41:49    1639858

Do you think GAA should be at the start of the news!? nothing really happens midweek maybe they can focus on economy, global events...etc . Nice first post , why not post under your old username?

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4656 - 21/08/2014 13:15:12    1639890

The economy and global events are not discussed in the sports section of the evening news. All that is dealt with beforehand and summarised again subsequent to the sports bulletin.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6183 - 21/08/2014 13:42:28    1639917

Ormond Rugby is not a worldwide sport very few countries have a serious percentage of the population playing, Rte have not showed the World Athletics championships for a long number of years now, similarly the did not give much coverage European boxing championships our most successful international sport last week. Even the tone of the coverage is telling last Sunday on the 6,1 sports news the presenter started for bit about the women's rugby talking about what a achievement it was to finish fourth for them, it was a few sentences in before she mentioned the have actually lost the third place play off, if i hadn't known what the match was for i would have thought the had beaten someone that day to finish fourth, not the fact it was a result of losing a match. Similarly the heading on the sports section of the indo the after the lost to England was brave Ireland, i don't know how it was brave been beaten out the gate, i didn't see anyone saying the Cork hurlers were brave after there beating. The had a great win over the All blacks and i was delighted to see them doing well as a supporter of rugby, women's sport and Ireland but the media went over the top and gave them far more coverage then other sports like the do with there male counterparts, the old Blackrock network in Rte, Newstalk, Times and indo is still strong.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 21/08/2014 14:49:18    1639980

21/08/2014 14:49:18 ROS1
Ormond Rugby is not a worldwide sport very few countries have a serious percentage of the population playing, Rte have not showed the World Athletics championships for a long number of years now, similarly the did not give much coverage European boxing championships our most successful international sport last week. Even the tone of the coverage is telling last Sunday on the 6,1 sports news the presenter started for bit about the women's rugby talking about what a achievement it was to finish fourth for them, it was a few sentences in before she mentioned the have actually lost the third place play off, if i hadn't known what the match was for i would have thought the had beaten someone that day to finish fourth, not the fact it was a result of losing a match. Similarly the heading on the sports section of the indo the after the lost to England was brave Ireland, i don't know how it was brave been beaten out the gate, i didn't see anyone saying the Cork hurlers were brave after there beating. The had a great win over the All blacks and i was delighted to see them doing well as a supporter of rugby, women's sport and Ireland but the media went over the top and gave them far more coverage then other sports like the do with there male counterparts, the old Blackrock network in Rte, Newstalk, Times and indo is still strong. So much wrong with this
Rugby is a world wide sport. Oceania rugby is biggest sport. In Japan Rugby is a very big sport and backed by large number of multinationals etc and more and more countries will take up rugby now its in the Olympics albeit at 7s level
In Americas Uruguay, Argentina, USA, Canada all have sizable rugby populations. Then there's Europe with the 6 nations then the 6 nations b(European nations cup)
It was a major achievement to finish fourth. Of course a news reader will say they finished fourth and not just say they lost 3rd/4th playoff. They did beat NZ and Kazakstan to qualify for semis which meant they were guaranteed to finish 4th.
The media didn't really go over the top as Ireland beating NZ in womens rugby considering the record overall is a bit like Mayo beating Galway in senior hurling.
As for the sad, typical for this site, attack at rugby and media. boohoo stop whinging

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/08/2014 16:07:23    1640051

What are you talking about Ormond rugby is only a significant sport in 13 or 14 nations in the world, there is only 2 tiny countries where it is anywhere near been the biggest sport in. People play Gaa in every country does that make it a massive worldwide sport and big international companies have sponsored and are still sponsoring GAA. Ireland is one of the top 6 or 7 countries in the world in women's rugby Mayo are far from that in hurling. No one was leading with what a great achievement it was for Cork hurlers getting to a semi final. Your posts are getting more and more childish if anyone rightfully complains about the extra coverage male and female rugby gets over all other sports, you are unable to argue your point so you accuse everyone of been anti rugby when in fact i have been to most of Ireland's matches in the last few years and i did say there beating the all blacks was a great achievment, people would just like a little fairness it that really to much to ask.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 21/08/2014 16:51:56    1640090

Be in no doubt Ormond there is a bias in the media in this country towards rugby. Undeniably the ladies rugby team get massive coverage in comparison to their counterparts in other ladies team sports. When was the last time a senior ladies soccer match was broadcast in full on either tv or radio? Between last year and this there have been 12 ladies rugby internationals broadcast live and in full on either tv or radio. Some difference between the two sports and far, far more ladies play soccer than rugby. That is not down to a super rugby PRO and a s***e soccer PRO. It is down to bias. Gaelic games for ladies are organised on a national basis and RTE ignore them. Who is the only lady involved in ladies team sports to have been given a dedicated weekly column in a national newspaper in recent times ? Fiona Coughlan in the Irish Times. The coverage of The Leinster Schools Rugby competition by all national newspaper outlets speaks volumes. Rugby is an international sport. However to say it is a worldwide sport is stretching it. You mention one nation in all of Asia. There are other nations who play in Asia but what percentage of the population in these countries are involved in rugby ?You mention 2 nations in Sth America. You assert that there re sizeable rugby playing populations in Canada and The USA. What are the numbers please. You mention The Six Nations and the Six Nations B (which I never knew existed). That is 12 out of over 50 nations. In Ireland, Italy and Scotland rugby is played by a small portion of the population and is effectively in those 3 countries a minority sport..

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6183 - 21/08/2014 17:18:12    1640109

21/08/2014 16:51:56 ROS1
What are you talking about Ormond rugby is only a significant sport in 13 or 14 nations in the world, there is only 2 tiny countries where it is anywhere near been the biggest sport in. People play Gaa in every country does that make it a massive worldwide sport and big international companies have sponsored and are still sponsoring GAA. Ireland is one of the top 6 or 7 countries in the world in women's rugby Mayo are far from that in hurling. No one was leading with what a great achievement it was for Cork hurlers getting to a semi final. Your posts are getting more and more childish if anyone rightfully complains about the extra coverage male and female rugby gets over all other sports, you are unable to argue your point so you accuse everyone of been anti rugby when in fact i have been to most of Ireland's matches in the last few years and i did say there beating the all blacks was a great achievment, people would just like a little fairness it that really to much to ask.It is still a very large sport. You cant compare GAA to rugby the way you are as that makes no sense.
You knock me for my ability to see rugby on this forum well my view is coloured by people like you who say things like rugby getting extra coverage over all other sports when that simply isn't true. GAA has club games shown live all through the winter when rugby gets less than 5/6 games shown a year. Minor inter county and u21 games are shown live compared to maybe 10 u20 irish rugby internationals..

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/08/2014 17:37:49    1640122

21/08/2014 17:18:12 Greengrass
Be in no doubt Ormond there is a bias in the media in this country towards rugby. Undeniably the ladies rugby team get massive coverage in comparison to their counterparts in other ladies team sports. When was the last time a senior ladies soccer match was broadcast in full on either tv or radio? Between last year and this there have been 12 ladies rugby internationals broadcast live and in full on either tv or radio. Some difference between the two sports and far, far more ladies play soccer than rugby. That is not down to a super rugby PRO and a s***e soccer PRO. It is down to bias. If there was a bias in RTE and the media at large then why is there going to be less rugby on irish screens this season? Answer that
There will be no live coverage or highlights of the provinces games on RTE this season. RTE will only be showing international rugby for the next few seasons.
The Ladies team gets plenty of coverage but how many sides can you compare them to? Can you compare a national side to an inter county side?
When was the last time the FAI and leading players, the soccer media were calling for games to be shown in a similar fashion as there was for the womens rugby side to have games covered.
21/08/2014 17:18:12 Greengrass
Gaelic games for ladies are organised on a national basis and RTE ignore them. Who is the only lady involved in ladies team sports to have been given a dedicated weekly column in a national newspaper in recent times ? Fiona Coughlan in the Irish Times. The coverage of The Leinster Schools Rugby competition by all national newspaper outlets speaks volumes. Rugby is an international sport. However to say it is a worldwide sport is stretching it. You mention one nation in all of Asia. There are other nations who play in Asia but what percentage of the population in these countries are involved in rugby ?You mention 2 nations in Sth America. You assert that there re sizeable rugby playing populations in Canada and The USA. What are the numbers please. You mention The Six Nations and the Six Nations B (which I never knew existed). That is 12 out of over 50 nations. In Ireland, Italy and Scotland rugby is played by a small portion of the population and is effectively in those 3 countries a minority sport.. Where are all the Ladies GAA top committee people calling for more coverage? Coughlan gets her column at a time of rugby dominance in everything at the time of the 6 nations. Have any newspapers ever looked to players from various counties to write a diary during the summer
Rugby is a worldwide sport and fast growing at that. I did only mention 1 country in asia but could have mentioned any number of other countries like any of those who compete in the Asian 5 nations like South Korea, Kazakstan and Arabian Gulf(which represents UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman, Saudi Arabia)
There is considerable enough numbers playing. I don't have playing figures off top of my head and am not going to look them up. You can do it if you want
There is also several levels of competition below the top division of the European nations cup(6nations b) with 4/5 divisions below the top division.
Look at the IRB website which has playing figures for all countries. Im not looking up the figures as you can do it yourself

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/08/2014 21:32:26    1640233