Ormond the rugby rankings do not matter until 3 years time when the pools will be decided for the 2019 world cup. Soccer qualifiers are the same as the 6 nations, while soccer friendlily are similar to test matches in rugby. For example Rte gave as much coverage to a nothing rugby game against Georgia, as the did the soccer qualifier game against Scotland, that tells you everything.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 22/11/2014 19:54:01    1674256

Ormond Ireland have not gone to thrid if the had somehow lost to Georgia. You think Connacht should have been got rid of, now your saying the are of huge interest to the country. The get 4 to 5 thousand people at there games, one of the smallest counties in Ireland Longford get about the same at there county final, not to mention the bigger counties which have bigger crowds at there games.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 22/11/2014 20:02:55    1674257

In the last 7 days there have been 19 football/hurling stories on the RTE Sport site. There have 20 rugby stories on the site in the last 24 hours alone. The evidence of RTE bias keeps on mounting.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 22/11/2014 20:04:12    1674258

22/11/2014 16:59:51 fabio8
there is huge interest in the dublin county final among gaa fans all over the country....why are you trying to dismiss this?...the club championship is a huge competition for a lot of people and represents the gaa even more than county does it can be argued....especially as smaller counties have a better chance with the odd strong club..there isnt 000s of people watching connacht games either...look at the attendances..how many times have they been sold out?...club gaa in mayo galway n roscommon for instance would be lot more relevant than connacht in the region...also big for the all ireland club series as all 3 generally have strong contenders for the club all ireland...you might not be interested in the dublin county final but loads of us are The club championships do represent the GAA more but a club game doesn't interest people more than a county game. Your floating viewers are not going to be pulled in by a club game. The Connacht game totally affects each of the provinces as they compete directly in the same league week in week out for 22 games a season
22/11/2014 17:04:55 fabio8
pr and marketing?..thats the reason given for the games importance?...wow is all i can say..really really reaching when that kind of stuff is brought up..rankings dont matter that much in rugby cause its always the same group of teams whereas in soccer people are always going up and down and its huge for qualifying groups especially for us in uefa which is very strong all round..obviously its less relevant for a team in south america as similar to rugby there is only a limited number of teams They are part of the reason and not reaching at all by mentioning them. Rankings do matter hugely in rugby. Look at Italy/Scotland. Down the rankings and they get biggest sides to visit less oftenn
22/11/2014 17:14:48 ROS1
Ormond you are wrong on a number of points Ireland went from fifth to third in the world rankings on the basis of beating Georgia that tells you everything you need to know about the World rankings. If Leinster win there game in hand Connacht will be sixth, there are 7 places to qualify and considering a Italian team are guaranteed a place and Connacht are only point ahead of Scarlets it is far from likely Connacht will qualify, Connacht could finish sixth which would be a brilliant result for them but if the Scottish and Italian teams are below them the will not qualify, there is 14 games left in any case. Ireland play 10 soccer qualifiers over 2 years which works out the same number as Ireland's six nations matches so it the same thing. Ireland didn't go 5th to 3rd just for beating Georgia, the losses of other sides in the rankings played a huge role.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/11/2014 20:07:49    1674260

Ormond

Your so hypocritical!
You make it out that it means so much to the few diehards in Connaught rugby yet dismiss the Dublin championship final is much to do about nothing.
Dublin football is huge nationwide. Just look at the TV has every one of Dublin's matches on live between league and championship, they even had the challenge match on live from rave hill last week. There was more at that challenge match alone than Connaught get for games.
The Dublin championship final was a full house people travellled from Louth Meath and Kildare to see it from hoganstand alone, so how you can say there would be no sufficient interest in hearing about the defending all Ireland club champions defence of their Dublin title is absolute rubbish

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/11/2014 20:36:10    1674266

At 10 o'clock last night the RTE Sport site carried 11 rugby stories in its Top 20 stories, at 55% the highest percentage so far this year. One of those stories was a round-up of AIL rugby. The article runs to 1,500, three times the space given to the RTE report on the International Rules game (500 words). So the bottom tier of Irish rugby is three times more important than the top or international tier of football. Does this appear fair? In contrast to RTE the Australian national broadcaster ABC gave the International Rules game equal billing with the corresponding rugby test. I wonder why?

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 23/11/2014 13:51:49    1674314

again club football is dismissed and provincial rugby is bigged up...loads of people are interested in club football in dublin and various other places hence the big crowds...connacht often get very poor crowds..the interest just isnt there....club football is huge in gaa and for a lot of counties it represents their best chance at national or provincial success...look at the viewings figures for the club finals..big viewership and big crowds...interest all over the country among gaa followers

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 23/11/2014 16:23:48    1674349

22/11/2014 20:36:10 hill16no1man
Ormond Your so hypocritical!
You make it out that it means so much to the few diehards in Connaught rugby yet dismiss the Dublin championship final is much to do about nothing.
Dublin football is huge nationwide. Just look at the TV has every one of Dublin's matches on live between league and championship, they even had the challenge match on live from rave hill last week. There was more at that challenge match alone than Connaught get for games.
The Dublin championship final was a full house people travellled from Louth Meath and Kildare to see it from hoganstand alone, so how you can say there would be no sufficient interest in hearing about the defending all Ireland club champions defence of their Dublin title is absolute rubbish Dublin Inter county football is huge nationwide but club ball isn't. Nearly all of Dublin's matches being shown live is irrelevant. Wee are talking about club games
Nationwide overall there wouldn't be huge interst in the game
23/11/2014 13:51:49 mediaman
At 10 o'clock last night the RTE Sport site carried 11 rugby stories in its Top 20 stories, at 55% the highest percentage so far this year. One of those stories was a round-up of AIL rugby. The article runs to 1,500, three times the space given to the RTE report on the International Rules game (500 words). So the bottom tier of Irish rugby is three times more important than the top or international tier of football. Does this appear fair? In contrast to RTE the Australian national broadcaster ABC gave the International Rules game equal billing with the corresponding rugby test. I wonder why? The Journalists play a role in this. There is no word cap really on articles for websites so I will assume the journalists have a role in this.
Why don't you contact RTE to ask why this is the case and you are really grasping at straws to say that international rules are the top tier of gaelic football

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/11/2014 16:41:53    1674356

there is big interest in club football nationwide as its one of the main championships and provides numerous contenders for the all ireland club series...there is a big interest in club gaa..stop trying to downplay this and then attempt to big up connacht?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 23/11/2014 16:59:47    1674362

Journalists themselves do not determine the length of an article. Journalists are given assignments based on either the number of paragraphs or number of words as determined by an editor. There is nothing random about the stories on the RTE Sport website. An editor decides which stories will be used and more importantly in the case of football/hurling which will not be used. There are numerous worthwhile football/hurling stories every day which go unreported on RTE which is why most people turn to Hoganstand to find out what is going on day by day in our sport.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 23/11/2014 17:23:12    1674368

ormond

nationwide overall there wouldnt be huge interest in connaught rugby
never mind their team announcement for a game against zebre a micky mouse outfit.
the dublin champions are the reigning all ireland champions so there would be far more interest in them
why else would parnell park be packed to the rafters to see them play.
you had two of dublins best forwards going head to head in that game
bernard brogan v diurmuid connolly of course there was interest around the country

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/11/2014 20:41:21    1674420

Ormond more people live in Dublin then Connacht, Zebre are a poor team who were missing 13 Italian internationals for the match against Connacht. Other provinces supporters have little interest in Connacht results as all 3 have far bigger resources and are extremely likely to finish ahead of Connacht. Most rugby supporter only care about winning the European cup not the pro 12, it is just a qualifying tool. Ireland would not have improved in rankings if the had not beaten Georgia that is a fact. In the November internationals Ireland played Sa, Aus and Geogria, Scotland played against Nz, Argentina and Tonga, Italy played against Samoa, Sa and Argentina there is not much of a difference there bar Scotland getting to play the best team in the world Nz and Ireland playing the worst team of the three countries Georgia. It is funny how you on the one hand defend the coverage of rugby on the basis of it been international, then on the other hand you dismiss the international teams of other teams. It is telling that Rte gave coverage on Friday to the team news of a Lenister game where all there fit international players would be missing and was a full 2 days away and completely ignored the international rules game which was happening the next morning. It is not only county finals the ignore, the give poor coverage to provincial club games as well.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 23/11/2014 21:38:40    1674440

23/11/2014 17:23:12 mediaman
Journalists themselves do not determine the length of an article. Journalists are given assignments based on either the number of paragraphs or number of words as determined by an editor. There is nothing random about the stories on the RTE Sport website. An editor decides which stories will be used and more importantly in the case of football/hurling which will not be used. There are numerous worthwhile football/hurling stories every day which go unreported on RTE which is why most people turn to Hoganstand to find out what is going on day by day in our sport. As somebody who has quite often contributed articles to student newspapers, local newspapers etc. Journalists regularly determine article length.
23/11/2014 20:41:21 hill16no1man
Ormond nationwide overall there wouldnt be huge interest in connaught rugby never mind their team announcement for a game against zebre a micky mouse outfit. the dublin champions are the reigning all ireland champions so there would be far more interest in them
why else would parnell park be packed to the rafters to see them play. you had two of dublins best forwards going head to head in that game. bernard brogan v diurmuid connolly of course there was interest around the country Connacht's games in all bar their European games are in the same competition as the other provinces so of course there would be huge interest in their games and team announcements. Zebre are not a mickey mouse outfit. Being near the bottom of the table does not equate to being a "mickey mouse outfit"!!
23/11/2014 21:38:40 ROS1
Ormond more people live in Dublin then Connacht, Zebre are a poor team who were missing 13 Italian internationals for the match against Connacht. Other provinces supporters have little interest in Connacht results as all 3 have far bigger resources and are extremely likely to finish ahead of Connacht. Most rugby supporter only care about winning the European cup not the pro 12, it is just a qualifying tool. Ireland would not have improved in rankings if the had not beaten Georgia that is a fact. In the November internationals Ireland played Sa, Aus and Geogria, Scotland played against Nz, Argentina and Tonga, Italy played against Samoa, Sa and Argentina there is not much of a difference there bar Scotland getting to play the best team in the world Nz and Ireland playing the worst team of the three countries Georgia. It is funny how you on the one hand defend the coverage of rugby on the basis of it been international, then on the other hand you dismiss the international teams of other teams. It is telling that Rte gave coverage on Friday to the team news of a Lenister game where all there fit international players would be missing and was a full 2 days away and completely ignored the international rules game which was happening the next morning. It is not only county finals the ignore, the give poor coverage to provincial club games as well Connacht are currently in 6th in the pro12. 1 point behind Leinster. They are currently in the last of the champions cup qualification places. They're results affect those places. Their results are definitely of interest to the other provinces supporters.
Most rugby supporters want to win European cup first but that doesn't mean they completely disregard the pro12 like you are implying

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/11/2014 17:06:12    1674625

dublin club sides are in the same competition as everybody else so whats your argument?..each county championship is effectively the group or preliminary stage of a very large championship so of course there is going to be big interest around the country in how each team does...a big side not making it out of their own county championship can be a pretty big thing in terms of deciding who wins the club all ireland

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 24/11/2014 17:18:15    1674635

ormond

how does that automatically make them have huge interest because they play in a league with other irish provinces?
there is not huge interest in the pro12 as a whole throughout ireland and connaught would be the least interesting
seen as they are the weekest of the four sides, their team annoucenments how is that big news please listen to yourself
they dont have big name players and any they do have would be with ireland so how is it big news for all sports fans
that connaught select a second string team to play a micky mouse side like zebre in a second rate competition?
zebre are not a micky mouse outfit then what are they rubbish poor a weak side
this is getting like the whole friendlys ireland play in november
rugby people seem to love their terms for things and its a mortal sin to even suggest their is a weak rugby team it seems.
st vincents are defending dublin,leinster and all ireland champions of course their is huge interest in them
around the country as they play in the same competition as the other clubs in ireland

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/11/2014 17:22:33    1674636

fabio8
County: USA
Posts: 964

1674635
dublin club sides are in the same competition as everybody else so whats your argument?..each county championship is effectively the group or preliminary stage of a very large championship so of course there is going to be big interest around the country in how each team does...a big side not making it out of their own county championship can be a pretty big thing in terms of deciding who wins the club all ireland

exactly fabio
but it seems only rugby people have interest in other teams in ireland outside their own
gaa people dont dare to watch live games not involving their own

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/11/2014 17:24:39    1674637

24/11/2014 17:18:15 fabio8
dublin club sides are in the same competition as everybody else so whats your argument?..each county championship is effectively the group or preliminary stage of a very large championship so of course there is going to be big interest around the country in how each team does...a big side not making it out of their own county championship can be a pretty big thing in terms of deciding who wins the club all ireland Club all Ireland cant be compared directly to Connacht in pro12 who are in the exact same competition as Munster/Leinster/Ulster

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/11/2014 18:00:02    1674651

ormond
Club all Ireland cant be compared directly to Connacht in pro12 who are in the exact same competition as Munster/Leinster/Ulster


ah your really clutching at straws now man its not a crime to admit your wrong.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/11/2014 18:35:31    1674667

hill16no1man
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fabio8
County: USA
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dublin club sides are in the same competition as everybody else so whats your argument?..each county championship is effectively the group or preliminary stage of a very large championship so of course there is going to be big interest around the country in how each team does...a big side not making it out of their own county championship can be a pretty big thing in terms of deciding who wins the club all ireland

exactly fabio
but it seems only rugby people have interest in other teams in ireland outside their own
gaa people dont dare to watch live games not involving their own +1 + 2 very good posts.

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
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ormond
Club all Ireland cant be compared directly to Connacht in pro12 who are in the exact same competition as Munster/Leinster/Ulster
ah your really clutching at straws now man its not a crime to admit your wrong. +1 good post hill

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3692 - 24/11/2014 19:00:08    1674679

of course it can be directly compared...its the same competition...gaa people have a big interest in club football all over the country espeicially in the counties which typically provides the main contenders for the all ireland...this has been the case for years

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 24/11/2014 19:12:34    1674684