I suppose Ormond you will be supporting the idea of Rte covering challenge games for Gaa teams looking to see what players will be good enough for the championship.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 20/11/2014 19:40:26    1673828

bad.monkey
County: USA
Posts: 3963

Participation in cricket for the 12/13 season was 951,933 - the highest of any sport. 18.4 million people watched international cricket team on TV nationally.

What country was this for?

Participation in Australia for football / soccer has reached just under two million, and it's the number one team participation sport in the country.

Cricket is the sixth best attended sport there, although its attendance levels have dropped by over a sixth in the last decade while sports like football / soccer and Aussie Rules are seeing continued increases in theirs. The final of the Big Bash League also regularly finds its attendance trailing the four other main team competitions (AFL, A League, Rugby League and Super Rugby).

Considering the AFL is one of the most popular sports in the world when it comes to weekly attendances I'd be shocked if cricket was ranked ahead of it, likewise with participation.

When you look to future trends, things aren't looking good for either cricket or rugby though. Of the top eleven sports among schoolchildren in Australia cricket is only one of two sports, the other being rugby league, that has seen the participation rate among schoolboys fall since 2006. Ok a case can be made for equestrian sports and field hockey falling too but I'm not sure on the boys participation rates for these only the girls, but it's a far from encouraging sign really.

Whatever any of this has to do with RTE is beyond me but I suppose it's nice to be dealing in facts rather than people just pulling numbers out of the air.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3692 - 20/11/2014 19:52:02    1673832

In 2010 the most watched sports event on RTE was the Kilkenny Tipperary All-Ireland Hurling Final (979,000). The Cork Down All-Ireland Football Final was in second place (770,000). The Soccer World Cup Final was third (762,000) and fourth as stated by the RTE press office was Ireland v France 6 Nations (figures not available). The figures are again similar to 2012 and 2013 and seem to be fairly consistent. The most watched football or hurling match of the year seems to attract about 300,000 more viewers than the most watched rugby match.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 20/11/2014 20:18:20    1673842

Ormo
The 6 Nations are as important as the world cup and these games are vital in the preparation for the world cup as we are playing the best sides from the southern hemisphere in these games and these will be the best prep for the world cup and 6 nations. Surely you could have deduced that from my post but then again you probably couldnt
Of course the 6 Nations is as big as the World Cup Ormo - just ask World Cup winners like Dallaglio, Johnson, Wilkinson, Dawson, Greenwood etc, they all tell you that the 6 nations win up in Edinburgh was every bit as big a moment in their career as winning the Webb Ellis in Sydney! Its a laughable argument you are making - when people debate the greatest result in English rugby history they don't mention the 36 point hammering of Ireland in Lansdowne Road in 2003 to win the Grand Slam, the World Cup win in the same year is the only game considered. I assure you, should Ireland ever make it to a world cup semi-final you will appreciate the difference in prestige between the 2 competitions.
Soma again who are the paid journalists who will have went through in their training ethics courses in how to be a good journalist, how to pick appropriate stories and who is the poster on an online forum who cant even say the name of a fellow poster correctly.
I don't want to read such an article as I don't have any interest in such an article. Again I will assume the paid journalists thought otherwise and their editors thought otherwise. Maybe if you and others think these people are not doing a good enough job you can either contact them to tell them that or you can set up your own media groups and cover the sports you feel should be covered more
It is utterly depressing that someone who must have some level of education would think like that - especially after a few years when ethics, and the lack of, in journalism has received such widespread attention. You have previously stated that increased womens rugby coverage is due to campaigning through social media - do you support such campaigning if you believe the people in RTE know better than us all? Surely the people on social media and the IRFU lobbyists should have been told to run along by the professionals in RTE. Its a pity you have no interest in articles about Gaelic clubs on the islands around Ireland, but it makes me wonder if this is the right forum for you.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 20/11/2014 20:35:23    1673847

Ya if in doubt if she wins gold the might stretch to sending out a reporter to the airport to meet her.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 20/11/2014 20:51:02    1673851

ROS1
County: Roscommon
Posts: 181

Ya if in doubt if she wins gold the might stretch to sending out a reporter to the airport to meet her

True, she might even move ahead of the likes of Le'Veon Bell and the Fijian and Argentinian rugby teams towards the top end of the sports page now.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3692 - 20/11/2014 21:21:00    1673860

Or maybe if in doubt she might even get ahead of the latest report on how the Denver Broncos are getting on.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 20/11/2014 21:49:11    1673869

Bad monkey
Your whole post was untrue so I decided there was no need to point individual lies.
First off there is no royalty in Ireland so you haven't a leg to stand on to start with, then you claim ita only for rich people well most of national hunt horses are owned by syndicates.
There are only 5 big owners in the national hunt game who would have more than 10 horses at a time. Anybody can get involved.there is big trainers like Willie Mullins yet there are small trainers with only a hand full of horses who can compete at the same level and the beauty of it is one horse puts the small guys name on the map and he can attract the better horses to his yard. As for the bookies end of it I have to laugh there, your statement could be applied to alcohol cigarettes or even you beloved rugby. Bookies is a business that has betting on all sports and walks of life horse racing is no different to rugby when it comes to bookies its about making money so you could say the same applies to rugby its only allowing bookies make money off people with an addiction. Just like yourself if you buy a pint in a pub aren't you allowing the alcohol industry to continue making money and feeding alcohol addiction too.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/11/2014 10:08:00    1673891

Ormond

Your delusional when it comes to the Connaught rugby point. Because Connaught is a province and they are a professional team does not mean people who have no interest in the sport are dying to know the team news Haha, you agree that the Gaa is a more popular sport yet feel that a team like Connaught with a small support base deserve more attention for their team announcement on national TV than a match report on the Dublin championship final that packed Parnell pack to the rafters and had people attending who are from different counties and the match contained the reigning all Ireland champions st Vincent's

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/11/2014 10:25:44    1673896

20/11/2014 19:40:26
ROS1
I suppose Ormond you will be supporting the idea of Rte covering challenge games for Gaa teams looking to see what players will be good enough for the championship. A "Challenge Game" for GAA teams is completely different to these rugby games. When did you last hear of rugby supporters/coaches/players dismissing these games like people here and elsewhere in GAA dismiss challenge games and even league games

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/11/2014 11:59:01    1673926

21/11/2014 10:08:00 hill16no1man
Ormond Your delusional when it comes to the Connaught rugby point. Because Connaught is a province and they are a professional team does not mean people who have no interest in the sport are dying to know the team news Haha, you agree that the Gaa is a more popular sport yet feel that a team like Connaught with a small support base deserve more attention for their team announcement on national TV than a match report on the Dublin championship final that packed Parnell pack to the rafters and had people attending who are from different counties and the match contained the reigning all Ireland champions st Vincent's How am I delusional. The Connacht team news affects the other provinces and their fans. The Connacht team news for all games but their 6-9 games in Europe are in the same competition as the other provinces so team news for Connacht will be of interest to all fans from other provinces
Does news of a club game in Dublin really affect most other counties or fans. No it doesn't

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/11/2014 12:10:17    1673930

guys,
the rugby world cup has not been going for very long. alot of the great rugby players in the past never played at the world cup. you are comparing rugby to football and its just not the same. every "test" in rugby is important and no they are not friendlies like in football so don't go there.
the rugby world cup was first held in 1987. are you guys trying to say that any competitions or matches played before then are of little consequence. the big matches in rugby are the six nations (formerly 5 nations), the rugby chapionship (formerly tri-nations,)
and before those any test match between 2 top teams, any tour games etc etc. so of course the five nations or 6 nation victories are really important. It's a bit like cricket, don't view it is the same way as you do football (soccer). it is completely different.
some on here were comparing a "friendly" soccer match to a test Rugby match, ridiculous comments.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5522 - 21/11/2014 12:33:36    1673940

On this morning's RTE radio sportsnews Des Cahill devoted huge amounts of time to a friendly rugby game taking place between Ireand and Australia tomorrow. In contrast, he completely ignored a competitive international rules game taking place between the two countries in Perth in the morning (in front of a sell-out crowd. Now if the rugby crowd can big up their "autumn Seires" as something meaningful with something at stake, then the international rules games is actually the World Cup final in that sport.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 21/11/2014 12:50:49    1673945

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 8790

1673891
Bad monkey
Your whole post was untrue so I decided there was no need to point individual lies.
First off there is no royalty in Ireland so you haven't a leg to stand on to start with, then you claim ita only for rich people well most of national hunt horses are owned by syndicates.
There are only 5 big owners in the national hunt game who would have more than 10 horses at a time. Anybody can get involved.there is big trainers like Willie Mullins yet there are small trainers with only a hand full of horses who can compete at the same level and the beauty of it is one horse puts the small guys name on the map and he can attract the better horses to his yard. As for the bookies end of it I have to laugh there, your statement could be applied to alcohol cigarettes or even you beloved rugby. Bookies is a business that has betting on all sports and walks of life horse racing is no different to rugby when it comes to bookies its about making money so you could say the same applies to rugby its only allowing bookies make money off people with an addiction. Just like yourself if you buy a pint in a pub aren't you allowing the alcohol industry to continue making money and feeding alcohol addiction too.

Yeah sure hill16 everyone on my road owns a racehorse... It's not the 'sport of kings' for no reason.

As for the gambling , if you can't see the difference between sports people bet on ie rugby, GAA and sports which only exist to facilitate gambling ie horse racing/ dog racing then it's pointless discussing with you. My original post was 100% correct even if it doesn't sit easy with you

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4663 - 21/11/2014 13:23:18    1673952

Ormond

Of course the Dublin championship final had an effect on all the other counties as it contained the defending all Ireland champions far more of an effect than the naming of Connaught's team to play a second rate competition against a Micky mouse team like zebre. So u must also think the omagh victoy over crossmaglen had no interest to any other teams even though they were among the favourites to win the all Ireland.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/11/2014 13:29:02    1673955

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 8791

Ormond

Of course the Dublin championship final had an effect on all the other counties as it contained the defending all Ireland champions far more of an effect than the naming of Connaught's team to play a second rate competition against a Micky mouse team like zebre. So u must also think the omagh victoy over crossmaglen had no interest to any other teams even though they were among the favourites to win the all Ireland.

The Connacht games are deemed newsworthy to all other fans because Connacht play in one competition with the other provinces.

You and I both know hill, that despite the glaring similarity between this and the fact Dublin and Dublin clubs compete in the same competitions as every team in the country there is no reason for a Dublin club game to be worthy of as much coverage.

Professional journalists know best after all.

Just like professional bankers, politicians and builders before them...

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3692 - 21/11/2014 13:37:33    1673959

Bad monkey you cannot find any holes in what I said seen as all you can do is ignore the facts.
We live in Ireland there's no kings and national hunt racing
Is for all parts of society something your beloved rugby isn't where I come from it only exists in upper class areas.
You could say rugby relies on the contributions from alcohol companies as much as horse racing relies on bookmakers.
Rugby in this country relies on Guinness hugely for friendlies
For provincial and for international games and the fact that alcohol is readily available to supporters while in their seats watching the game proves the influence it has on rugby as a whole

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/11/2014 13:45:06    1673962

If in doubt
I'll do an ormond and put a +1 Haha to your post

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/11/2014 13:48:11    1673964

21/11/2014 12:33:36 s goldrick
guys,the rugby world cup has not been going for very long. alot of the great rugby players in the past never played at the world cup. you are comparing rugby to football and its just not the same. every "test" in rugby is important and no they are not friendlies like in football so don't go there.
the rugby world cup was first held in 1987. are you guys trying to say that any competitions or matches played before then are of little consequence. the big matches in rugby are the six nations (formerly 5 nations), the rugby chapionship (formerly tri-nations,)
and before those any test match between 2 top teams, any tour games etc etc. so of course the five nations or 6 nation victories are really important. It's a bit like cricket, don't view it is the same way as you do football (soccer). it is completely different.
some on here were comparing a "friendly" soccer match to a test Rugby match, ridiculous comments. Good post. But will people on here grasp it.... unlikely
21/11/2014 12:50:49 football first
On this morning's RTE radio sportsnews Des Cahill devoted huge amounts of time to a friendly rugby game taking place between Ireand and Australia tomorrow. In contrast, he completely ignored a competitive international rules game taking place between the two countries in Perth in the morning (in front of a sell-out crowd. Now if the rugby crowd can big up their "autumn Seires" as something meaningful with something at stake, then the international rules games is actually the World Cup final in that sport. Ah here you cant be serious! How can you dismiss the rugby as a friendly and then call the international rules a competitive game? The International Rules is the only game played in a made up sport that isn't gaelic football and isn't aussie rules. The rugby games are meaningful.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/11/2014 14:23:13    1673971

The managers for the International Rules series have both picked the strongest squads available to them for tomorrows game as they are both desperate to win it. The Aussie rugby manager has followed through on his promise to try out different players and experiment in his team selection tomorrow to prepare for the serious business next year. Yet people are claiming that the rugby game is the bigger one...there are none so blind than those who will not see.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 21/11/2014 14:53:26    1673986