Yes there is a difference - one is reporting the incident , the other is sensationalist gutter journalism. I would be disappointed to see our national broadcaster go down the route of daily mail online reporting which Irish Indo is now sadly doing

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4663 - 17/11/2014 13:18:26    1672812

RTE sports radio yesterday; giving results of the previous day's rugby internationals, then going to the big race at Punchestown, as they approached the last hurdle! Then no follow up or report, yet we had to sit through the full length of Georgia's anthem, Ireland's anthem and the god-awful embarrassing 'Ireland's Call.' A clash between the legendary Hurricane Fly and the current champion hurdler, and all we got was the final furlong.
RTE there are more sports than just rugby

befair (Down) - Posts: 238 - 17/11/2014 14:08:04    1672832

ormond

rte are only good at covering racing from uk on the news
every saturday they show the big race from across the water and never show any footage of the big race of the day here
they also dont show the results from the racing here like they used to
if that was kauto star winning a 20th a grade one they would have been calling him the greatest horse in history and talking
about the rapurous scenes in the parade ring

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/11/2014 14:42:17    1672847

Ormo
They didn't flop against England. Well beaten by better team who'd have much greater strength in depth. They didn't flop in any way. By merely getting to a semi final shows they didn't flop. Poor performance in the semi final but it was a "flop".
Ormo they went from beating England by 25 points in 2013 to losing by 33 points a little over 12 months later. They went into that semifinal believing they could beat England but on the day their game fell apart completely - they flopped! In her interview Niamh Briggs has said as much, and also suggested that they should have received criticism for the display rather than being patronised.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 17/11/2014 15:09:29    1672854

bad.monkey
County: USA
Posts: 3952

I don't think one could ever accuse the indo of being in any way anti-rugby or running any scurrilous story which would alienate its core readership. Just a quick glance at its website shows where its loyalties lie. Endless pumping of rugby, rugby players, their social lives, their business ventures, their girlfriends. You get the picture. So when it reports a serious incident, as it did with the choke tackle, and now this stamp, one has to take it seriously and more importantly ask why not RTE?

rcarragh (Dublin) - Posts: 305 - 17/11/2014 15:52:38    1672877

bad.monkey
County: USA
Posts: 3952

I don't think one could ever accuse the indo of being in any way anti-rugby or running any scurrilous story which would alienate its core readership. Just a quick glance at its website shows where its loyalties lie. Endless pumping of rugby, rugby players, their social lives, their business ventures, their girlfriends. You get the picture. So when it reports a serious incident, as it did with the choke tackle, and now this stamp, one has to take it seriously and more importantly ask why not RTE?

rcarragh (Dublin) - Posts: 305 - 17/11/2014 16:25:58    1672891

Irish Indo wants as many people to click on the article as possible, that's all - they put a sensational headline on it to achieve this. Sadly it seems to have worked too

RTE reported on the incident in a very fair manner , thankfully they have some excellent sports correspondents working for them

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4663 - 17/11/2014 17:35:18    1672911

georgia are the very definition of a micky mouse side...we annihilated them with our 'b' team and it wasnt even our best 'b' team....didnt see much difference between them and gibraltar in the soccer to be honest

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 17/11/2014 17:39:01    1672912

8.30pm. Monday. After yesterday's high of 6 football/hurling stories in RTE's Top 20 normal service has now been resumed. There are currently no football or hurling stories worthy of the Top 20. There are however 7 rugby stories including one about Samoa. In regard to the eye stamping incident yesterday it should by now be clear to even the most blinkered rugby follower that RTE policy must be to play down rugby violence, a policy which is definitely not extended to football/hurling. It's called bias. Plain and simple.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 17/11/2014 20:35:08    1672937

Why did you go and say tha Mediaman , Now will prob have to endure 2 pages of Ormo copying and pasting.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 17/11/2014 21:21:24    1672948

17/11/2014 14:08:04 befair
RTE sports radio yesterday; giving results of the previous day's rugby internationals, then going to the big race at Punchestown, as they approached the last hurdle! Then no follow up or report, yet we had to sit through the full length of Georgia's anthem, Ireland's anthem and the god-awful embarrassing 'Ireland's Call.' A clash between the legendary Hurricane Fly and the current champion hurdler, and all we got was the final furlong.
RTE there are more sports than just rugby Of course there's more sports than Rugby. That's why Rugby is in no way the most covered sport on RTE. Nothing embarrassing about Irelands Call. Represents the entire Island which is who the rugby side represent. Amhran Na Feinn doesn't do that
17/11/2014 14:42:17 hill16no1man
ormond rte are only good at covering racing from uk on the news
every saturday they show the big race from across the water and never show any footage of the big race of the day here
they also dont show the results from the racing here like they used to
if that was kauto star winning a 20th a grade one they would have been calling him the greatest horse in history and talking
about the rapurous scenes in the parade ring RTE regularly and consistently cover racing from here in Ireland. Id know the trainer Tom Hogan quite well(he trains Gordan Lord Byron Haydock Sprint Cup (2013), Desmond Stakes (2013), Prix de la Foret (2012), Betfred City of York Stakes (2012), George Ryder Stakes - Australia (2014) and he regularly is on news with big wins and there is always info on winners here.,

Ormo
They didn't flop against England. Well beaten by better team who'd have much greater strength in depth. They didn't flop in any way. By merely getting to a semi final shows they didn't flop. Poor performance in the semi final but it was a "flop".
17/11/2014 15:09:29 Soma
Ormo they went from beating England by 25 points in 2013 to losing by 33 points a little over 12 months later. They went into that semifinal believing they could beat England but on the day their game fell apart completely - they flopped! In her interview Niamh Briggs has said as much, and also suggested that they should have received criticism for the display rather than being patronised. Why don't you call me Ormond??
Irish side didn't flop considering they were playing a level they never had played before against a side who have consistently competed at that level. If you consider that a flop then virtually every sports team competing in a competition flops as they exit.
Who patronising them for saying they didn't flop. They should be highly praised for smashing their best performance in a world cup competition regardless of a poor performance in their semi.
England weren't totally at full strength in 2013....

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 17/11/2014 21:45:32    1672951

Ormond

Lies!
They never give results. There's racing on average 5 meetings a week and the only day rate tend to shoe footage of a race is on a Saturday and its not even from here it does be from UK big race of the day.
They used to have a full run down of the winners and starting prices before.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/11/2014 08:53:13    1672959

Ormo
Irish side didn't flop considering they were playing a level they never had played before against a side who have consistently competed at that level. If you consider that a flop then virtually every sports team competing in a competition flops as they exit.
Who patronising them for saying they didn't flop. They should be highly praised for smashing their best performance in a world cup competition regardless of a poor performance in their semi.
England weren't totally at full strength in 2013....
A team can exit a tournament to a better side having played to their full capabilities and will have no regrets. Unfortunately, as Niamh Briggs stated, Ireland played nowhere near to their full capabilities against England, with no part of their game functioning on the day. This is why the team believe they flopped against England, though on the whole the tournament was quite successful for them as they managed to get further than any senior Irish rugby side ever has before. To say they didn't flop against England is patronising, had the mens side done similar most people would consider it a flop, as Niamh Briggs also suggested in the article.
As for your attempts to undermine their 2013 grand slam by suggesting it was due to England being understrength, it is not worth commenting on. Ireland lost to England by 7 points in the six nations in 2014, nobody saw the world cup hammering coming.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 18/11/2014 10:13:33    1672968

18/11/2014 08:53:13 hill16no1man
Ormond Lies!
They never give results. There's racing on average 5 meetings a week and the only day rate tend to shoe footage of a race is on a Saturday and its not even from here it does be from UK big race of the day.
They used to have a full run down of the winners and starting prices before. Not lies at all. There is regularly coverage of horse racing on the news and most often its here but with top irish horses and jockeys/owners its regularly the uk but to say they never give results is a lie

Ormo
Irish side didn't flop considering they were playing a level they never had played before against a side who have consistently competed at that level. If you consider that a flop then virtually every sports team competing in a competition flops as they exit.
Who patronising them for saying they didn't flop. They should be highly praised for smashing their best performance in a world cup competition regardless of a poor performance in their semi.
England weren't totally at full strength in 2013....
18/11/2014 10:13:33 Soma
A team can exit a tournament to a better side having played to their full capabilities and will have no regrets. Unfortunately, as Niamh Briggs stated, Ireland played nowhere near to their full capabilities against England, with no part of their game functioning on the day. This is why the team believe they flopped against England, though on the whole the tournament was quite successful for them as they managed to get further than any senior Irish rugby side ever has before. To say they didn't flop against England is patronising, had the mens side done similar most people would consider it a flop, as Niamh Briggs also suggested in the article.
As for your attempts to undermine their 2013 grand slam by suggesting it was due to England being understrength, it is not worth commenting on. Ireland lost to England by 7 points in the six nations in 2014, nobody saw the world cup hammering comingSoma why don't you have the decency to call me Ormond like decent posters like tribe, hill etc
Ireland did play to their full capabilities in the tournament. Ireland have beaten England once in womens rugby and predominantly been on the end of hammerings. They didn't flop against England. They were over powered and out manouvered by a much better side. Im not being patronising at all and no if the men's side did it it wouldn't be considered a flop. How can easily getting to your best placing ever be a "flop" even if your exit is a big defeat. It'll be disappointing but calling it a flop disregards completely what they did earlier in the tournament. A "flop" would have been the womens team getting knocked out in the group stage. The men's side will have "flopped" out of next years world cup if they go out in the group stage
England were understrength in the 2013 6 nations. They didn't use a large number of regular players who were involved in 7s
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Plenty who have seen or watched out for results of this Irish womens side would know Ireland normally have been well beaten by England so plenty knew it could easily happen

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 18/11/2014 11:13:32    1672988

18/11/2014 08:53:13 hill16no1man
Ormond Lies! They never give results. There's racing on average 5 meetings a week and the only day rate tend to shoe footage of a race is on a Saturday and its not even from here it does be from UK big race of the day.
They used to have a full run down of the winners and starting prices before. No lies at all. They often show footage of irish races but when so many top irish horses, trainers, jockeys are racing in the UK every day they are bound to cover races from the UK a lot. Nothing wrong with that
Ormond
Irish side didn't flop considering they were playing a level they never had played before against a side who have consistently competed at that level. If you consider that a flop then virtually every sports team competing in a competition flops as they exit.
Who patronising them for saying they didn't flop. They should be highly praised for smashing their best performance in a world cup competition regardless of a poor performance in their semi.
England weren't totally at full strength in 2013....
18/11/2014 10:13:33 Soma
A team can exit a tournament to a better side having played to their full capabilities and will have no regrets. Unfortunately, as Niamh Briggs stated, Ireland played nowhere near to their full capabilities against England, with no part of their game functioning on the day. This is why the team believe they flopped against England, though on the whole the tournament was quite successful for them as they managed to get further than any senior Irish rugby side ever has before. To say they didn't flop against England is patronising, had the mens side done similar most people would consider it a flop, as Niamh Briggs also suggested in the article.
As for your attempts to undermine their 2013 grand slam by suggesting it was due to England being understrength, it is not worth commenting on. Ireland lost to England by 7 points in the six nations in 2014, nobody saw the world cup hammering comingHave you seen the record of Ireland against England in women's rugby? We've won once in 19 games. Ireland were comprehensively beaten and didn't flop in any way. They didn't flop considering just getting to that stage was huge deal.Im not patronising them at all by saying that
Im not undermining the 2013 grand slam. England were completely understrength as they left out loads of regular players who were in training/preparation for 7s rugby...
Plenty who've seen Ireland often lose by 30/40 points to England knew hammerings like we got in world cup could easily come about. England and New Zealand are worlds two best teams by a long shot. Losing by 30/40 points is nothing new for Irish womens team. We've progressed well in recent years but no shame in losing to the best side in world like that

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 18/11/2014 11:49:47    1673001

I will repeat it one last time for you. They didn't flop in the tournament as a whole, it was quite successful. They did flop in the semi-final against England, it is why Niamh Briggs has said she was disappointed the team didn't get the criticsm they were deserving of for the non-performance. Instead of being taken seriously and treated like top level sportspeople, with performances analysed in a fair and constructive manner, they were patronised and told how great they were for even being there. It is interesting that up to now you have supported RTE broadcasts of the womens rugby largely because of their 2013 success, but now you are putting this success down to their main rivals not taking the 2013 six nations seriously. I believe it is unfair to say they won that competition because England were concentrating on other matters.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 18/11/2014 11:54:31    1673004

Ormond

Just because you say it don't make it through you do realise that I watch the news too and am not persuaded because you say something. Your also wrong again regarding racing, the UK is not where the best jockeys horses owners and trainers are. Irish national hunt racing is way stronger.
Willie Mullins is by far the top trainer, the jockeys in Ireland are far better with ruby Walsh, Bryan Cooper, Paul townend, Paul carberry and Andrew lynch much better in the saddle , currently in the UK they only have two jockeys of the same standard and they are both Irish ap McCoy and barry geraghty. We produce most of the horses trained in britain as it is and the two biggest owners in thw game are both irish owners in jp mcmannus and michael o leary.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/11/2014 16:12:03    1673089

18/11/2014 11:54:31 Soma
I will repeat it one last time for you. They didn't flop in the tournament as a whole, it was quite successful. They did flop in the semi-final against England, it is why Niamh Briggs has said she was disappointed the team didn't get the criticsm they were deserving of for the non-performance. Instead of being taken seriously and treated like top level sportspeople, with performances analysed in a fair and constructive manner, they were patronised and told how great they were for even being there. It is interesting that up to now you have supported RTE broadcasts of the womens rugby largely because of their 2013 success, but now you are putting this success down to their main rivals not taking the 2013 six nations seriously. I believe it is unfair to say they won that competition because England were concentrating on other matters. They didn't flop in the semi final. To say that is unfair. Didn't reach potential but to say they flopped is ridiculous. They were totally outclassed by a stronger, better team. Their performance was actually ok in that semi. Not how they wanted to perform but disregarding their performance like you are is arrogance of the highest order. England didn't take the 2013 6 nations as seriously as they normally do. Ireland were helped in a major way by England not picking some of their best players. That isn't dismissing the achievement of Ireland as they still had a very strong English side in opposition and they had never beaten England but England were far from full strength
18/11/2014 16:12:03 hill16no1man
Ormond Just because you say it don't make it through you do realise that I watch the news too and am not persuaded because you say something. Your also wrong again regarding racing, the UK is not where the best jockeys horses owners and trainers are. Irish national hunt racing is way stronger.
Willie Mullins is by far the top trainer, the jockeys in Ireland are far better with ruby Walsh, Bryan Cooper, Paul townend, Paul carberry and Andrew lynch much better in the saddle , currently in the UK they only have two jockeys of the same standard and they are both Irish ap McCoy and barry geraghty. We produce most of the horses trained in britain as it is and the two biggest owners in thw game are both irish owners in jp mcmannus and michael o leary.Why then do the Irish go abroad so much for races? The money and as a consequence the best horses, trainers, jockeys will be racing abroad.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 18/11/2014 16:57:17    1673106

so rte gave huge coverage to a womens rugby team on the basis of winning a grand slam were the best side put out a weak team?...you really dont help yourself ormond in your fight to always act like you are right...seems like patronising as it was a major underperformance getting well beaten by england

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 18/11/2014 17:15:32    1673111

18/11/2014 17:15:32
fabio8
so rte gave huge coverage to a womens rugby team on the basis of winning a grand slam were the best side put out a weak team?...you really dont help yourself ormond in your fight to always act like you are right...seems like patronising as it was a major underperformance getting well beaten by england They gave coverage to an Irish side that was very successful. Just like their was plenty of coverage of Irish cricket team following the 07 world cup, just like (insert virtually any successful team here)
I don't always act like im right.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 18/11/2014 17:23:20    1673113