14/11/2014 15:58:29 fabio8
the overall point being that an all ireland semi final is a lot bigger than a 'test match' therefore deserving more than 15 mins coverage...the 6 nations is also a lot bigger than these test matches as at the end of the day in rugby..teams are judged on how they perform in the 6 nations and world cup..not on how they do in the test matches...it seems people are going to continously ignore the end of summer tours as we get hammered in them so they somehow matter less?...of course a game v new zealand is going to be better than anything in the 6 nations..they are a far better side than anybody in the 6 nations Teams are totally judged on how they do in these and the summer tests considering here is where you play the All Blacks, South Africa etc
The summer tours are not ignored.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/11/2014 19:49:03    1672673

14/11/2014 17:26:43 Greengrass
Hill16 no one in their right mind would say that an Autumn international v New Zealand, South Africa or Australia is the same as a challenge in Gaelic games or soccer. You are bringing your Gaelic games and soccer mentality with you when you talk about Autumn Internationals in the context of being friendly games. Rugby has always had tour matches as a result of the geography of the participating teams. The standing of these games in rugby is huge. You do not need points at stake for these to be full blooded contests with a lot at stake as they are viewed as being that in rugby and have been so for over a century. You need to divest yourself of your narrow GAA and soccer mentality when talking about these games and view them as rugby people view them. Different sports, different viewpoints, different definitions . +1
14/11/2014 17:35:34 fabio8
im not giving out about the rugby matches themselves as i quite enjoy ireland playing against the big sides as its often better quality than that in the 6 nations due to the likes of new zealand being involved....my issue is its a great example of the bias rte shows towards one sport while it treats the most popular sport so poorly on numerous occasions as evidenced by a 15 mins build up...for all the giving out about sky..sky provided 30 mins build up for the match Sky are a dedicated sports channel unlike RTE. They have different resources and cater for a narrower market in terms of people. RTE caters for everyone in Ireland while Sky Sports cater for sports fans only. very different markets

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/11/2014 19:56:38    1672677

14/11/2014 21:54:08 fabio8
the recent match at the weekend is just an obvious comparison to make as as good a game as they can be..is is a non-competition related international match which at the end of the day doesnt matter a whole lot in the long run.....the bias can be quite sickening at times and the attempts to ignore it are laughable...for instance when ireland played france when the whole match being called off shambles went on..i imagine there was no issues with rescheduling things and giving it the full proper coverage that was warranted...rte simply going through the motions with their gaa coverage...hence why i cant understand why people have any issue with sky as at least they are trying to do something different These matches do matter in the long run. It was In these games and the summer tours as much as the 6Nations that helped England win the world cup in 2003.
These matches do matter a lot
15/11/2014 18:41:44 ROS1
Bad monkey you are wrong in your reply to hill about the coverage given to the all Ireland semi relay, rte gaa Friday preview programme only lasts half an hour unlike rte against the head which is an hour and five minutes long and bearing in mind that the Dublin/ Donegal semi was on that weekend it would be lucky if there was 10 mins preview on Friday evening. Tomorrows nothing game against Georgia is getting half an hour of a preview, plus about forty five minutes of a review, plus an hour and five minutes of against the head on Monday evening. Yesterday morning on morning Ireland half eight sports news gave as much coverage to a nothing rugby game two days away as to a vital soccer match taking place that evening. It should also be said that the big touring southern teams do not always send there best teams to Europe. Someone said it was because Ireland had beaten South Africa that it got so much media attention but given pass experience shows if Ireland had lost by 50 points to them it still would have gotten as much attention. The game against Georgia was much more than a nothing game.
Against the head will also be covering club rugby and discuss other areas of the game
The touring southern hemisphere sides do send their best teams available...

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/11/2014 19:59:46    1672678

15/11/2014 20:15:07 mediaman
Over 6,000 turned up to see the Ulster Dublin football friendly tonight. Hogan stand has a report. The BBC website has a report. But RTE? However RTE's aertel service does have full details of Romania v Japan in rugby. Ulster Dublin game???
Why don't you contact RTE's GAA correspondents and ask why they didn't cover that game
15/11/2014 20:34:41 ROS1
What is the point of complaining Ormond some junior person who has zero responsibility for deciding what is shown will sent me back the same corporate rely. Just because the could show the game does not mean the have to, certainly the don't have to send two sets of commentary teams to the south of France to cover it, my main point was comparing the level of coverage ladies football gets to women's rugby. I have not seen any ladies footballers on it who were they? Did you dream it has you have a history of on here. The point in complaining is your complaints will be heard and something may be done. Doing nothing and consistently complaining of supposed bias continuing is no good.
16/11/2014 10:29:47 hill16no1man
Complaints will fall on deaf ears in rte's sports department. Its down to the person who is in charge. He happens to be the voice of Irish rugby. The match commentator ryle nugent Ryle Nugent is head of the department but he does not have total control of what goes on RTE's schedules

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/11/2014 20:03:07    1672679

16/11/2014 11:43:02
mediaman
Given what this thread is all about the RTE Sport website is currently carrying what can only be described as an astonishing article. The former Irish ladies rugby captain in an interview with RTE Sport is critical of the amount of TV coverage ladies rugby is getting at present. The article reports that 'she want's women's rugby to get as much TV coverage as men's.' She goes on to state that 'women's rugby still had to fight for coverage.' It's a totally surreal article but the big question is why did RTE decide to make a public issue of it in this way. Is it perhaps engineered to give RTE Sport an excuse for even more coverage of ladies rugby? Why do you never have in any media articles or stories in a significant manner of other female sports?
Why is your crusade not against the other areas of the media? What else other than commenting here are you doing to get RTE to have better coverage of other sports?

16/11/2014 12:48:26 Soma
To be fair mediaman you are selectively quoting there. She says that womens sport in general gets poor coverage, which is what many on here have also been saying. Of course it is ironic that a womens rugby player should raise this as it is the one female sport that gets coverage at least comparable to its participation figures (if these things can be quantified like that). The more interesting part of the article was her observations on the lack of criticism for the womens team when they completely flopped against England at the world cup. While I expect her views on coverage may be listened to by RTE I would suggest it will be a long time before her team gets any criticism from the D4 area. I still feel many of the reporters see women in field sport as a novelty (an attitude of 'isn't it great that they get out there and try despite being women') and so the participants are seen as being immune to criticism. If only they involved themselves with any of the ladies football or camogie teams throughout the country they would soon be set straight on that. That's unfair to say they flopped against England in world cup. As for your clichéd attack on D4. YAWN.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/11/2014 20:06:34    1672680

16/11/2014 17:53:00 mediaman
The RTE Sport website is currently carrying match reports on 6 highly competitive club football/hurling club in its Top 20 stories. That seems about right given the importance of these games to the country as a whole. Maybe someone in RTE is getting the message. No let up though. Keep monitoring. Have you done anything more than monitoring RTE's website?
Have you contacted them as monitoring alone will change nothing

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/11/2014 20:08:02    1672681

16/11/2014 13:50:47 ROS1
Good post soma although women's rugby get more coverage then any other women's sport she has a point, she also has a point about the coverage given to Ireland exit in the world cup where the good beating the got against England was said as brave by media and you would have thought by watching Rte sport news that the had beaten France in the third fourth place off instead of losing it.at 25 to 2 on a Sunday afternoon in the top 20 stories on the Rte website do not include one Gaa story or does not mentions Ireland's only warm up game before Ireland's only International rules test next Saturday or the club games taking place in less then 20 minutes. Compare that to how much coverage is given to every friendly game the lions play even in some cases weeks before the tests matches it is quite ridiculous. Lions series gets huge attention from the start and is quite different to a 1 off friendly for a national team playing a match that combines two sports and is very different to Lions tours.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/11/2014 20:10:03    1672683

16/11/2014 15:13:18 if_in_doubt
To be honest I don't think anybody has a problem with RTE showing rugby, especially when it comes to giving coverage to the women's rugby team. The problem though is the completely unbalanced amount of coverage rugby gets in comparison to other more popular sports.
We've seen widespread coverage of the Women's World Cup and 6 Nations over the last year or so. Yet we're only being treated to two camogie matches a year; the intermediate and senior All Ireland finals (the junior final is lucky to get a couple of minutes worth of highlights on the Sunday Game) and no ladies football matches at all. Although to be fair it's probably for the best if TG4 retain the coverage of this as at least they do it justice with some very good coverage and promotional work, I'd be shocked if any of the women's rugby games had as high ratings as the last couple of All Ireland finals on TG4.Some do on here. TG4 have the coverage and rights. How can or why should RTE show games when TG4 have purchased the rights. The games are still on tv available to all the population who want to see the games
16/11/2014 15:13:18 if_in_doubt
Credit to RTE because at least they're consistent when it comes to poor coverage of other female teams or sports stars. Bar the Olympics Katie Taylor barely gets a mention off them, while just last week Caroline Ryan (former bronze medalist at a world championship) put in some impressive performances at the Track World Cup in Mexico which warrants no mention at all from RTE. Martyn Irvine broke his collarbone at the same event which could make it hard for him to make Rio 2016 but despite winning medals at World Championship level over the last two years this too wasn't deemed worthy of any coverage.
As GAA fans it's understandable that we notice it when RTE doesn't give the games the coverage we feel they deserve. But once you open your eyes and see the bigger picture it becomes clear that the GAA isn't the only victim here.Katie Taylor is regularly on RTE sites/shows for all kinds of things including her boxing. All sports including Rugby don't get appropriate media coverage. Rugby will have even less next season when no provincial game will be shown live on RTE. Sky Sports have rights to our summer tour games so November Internationals(there is none next year) and 6 Nations are the only games on tv next year
16/11/2014 15:13:18 if_in_doubt
If RTE done away with the favouritism and gave other sports a fairer level of coverage then there wouldn't be any problem. There's a lot of money in professional rugby in comparison to other sports on this island. RTE have also had to make a lot of cutbacks over the last few years, and the sports department certainly hasn't been immune from this. I'm sure there's no correlation or link here at all though.
Of course though emailing RTE and telling them this is the way to fix everything... RTE doesn't employ favouritism but if you and any others think they do why not mount a campaign/petition/boycott/protest against RTE looking for change.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/11/2014 20:16:00    1672686

16/11/2014 16:44:50 ROS1
If in doubt good post i have no problem with the amount of coverage rugby gets if other sports got the coverage the deserve this is not the case in Rte. There are a number of sports which use to get coverage but now get little or none, you make a good point about Katie Taylor as someone who is not a fan of boxing, i can still see how Rte is all talk about boxing for a couple of weeks every four years and then ignore it the rest of the time, the same could be said for horse jumping. At five to 2 today on the Rte website there was 10 rugby stories in the top 40 stories, while there was only three gaa stories in the top 100 stories. None of these stories was actually about upcoming matches one was about a death, one about retirements and another about the championship structure, in fact the Scotland Nz rugby match where nz played a weaker side got as many stories as Gaa did on the Rte website. Did you contact RTE about this disgraceful piece of worl?
RTE regularly mentions Boxing on news, have things on website etc
Is this not off season for the primary news bringers in GAA, Inter county sides? There is big club games but how many really care about how all the club games go?
The Rugby season is heating up. The champions cup had 2 rounds then there was these internationals. Things die down for a few weeks then pick up again for more European action...
ROS1
Not one mention of Ireland only warm up game to the international rules match only six days away on the tv sport news, compared to the coverage the gave to the nothing rugby game today, also no mention of the ladies football club all Ireland semi finals which were on today as well. Ormond your posts are getting more silly as you go on the can change there schedule if a game goes to extra time never mind when the are given 6 days notice, the sure as hell would not be worried about the amount of time given to sport if it was a rugby match and 2 games spread over 2 days is already over working anyone. How can you dismiss the rugby as a nothing game. Nothing at stake in the international rules. I suppose by your logic its a nothing game as well. Why don't you contact RTE about lack of coverage of ladies club semi finals?
16/11/2014 19:21:56 hill16no1man
ormond
apart from this year
the all ireland football quarter finals draw takes place less than 6 days before the first of them games
nobody knew the dates times until the monday morning
yet rte were able to have their programme ready and move other scheaduled programmes to accomadate
in less time than this year's replay gave them.
I guarnatee you if a rugby semi final went to a replay, they would be on air for the same amount of time But the all Ireland quarter finals were always scheduled for a specific weekend months in advance. RTE knew they would take place on a weekend and could prepare for that. You cant say the same about a replay of a game..
Rugby at professional level never has and never will have replays. They don't bother with them. All professional games involving Irish Sides are decided on the day the game is played. There is specific rules in place if extra time is level. No replays
the following weekend

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/11/2014 20:23:57    1672690

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 8723

That's unfair to say they flopped against England in world cup. As for your clichéd attack on D4. YAWN.

Congratulations on backing up exactly what Fiona Coghlan was pointing out.

The ladies team failed to show up against England. There's no way of arguing anything else. It doesn't matter how impressive the win against New Zealand was in the group, it doesn't matter if they weren't expected to reach a semi to being with. It was a bit similar to the men in 2011 in a way. Pull off a shock beating a superior southern hemisphere team but then fail to follow it up with a performance when it matters.

There was too much of "ah sure didn't they do well against New Zealand though" approach to things after the defeat back in August. That's not an insult to the ladies team, that's just how it is. In fact it's probably the way it should be. I'm sure they want to be treated as equals with their male counterparts, that should include being open to the same levels of criticism the men receive. If people are open to heaping praise on them when they win it should be same when it comes to criticism after a loss. Again I'm sure it's what the players would appreciate - being treated equally.

9 posts in a row, must be close to record for you that...

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3692 - 16/11/2014 20:38:53    1672694

ormond
Ryle Nugent is head of the department but he does not have total control of what goes on RTE's schedules


are you for real.
he is the man in charge its his decisions,
stop back pedalling you know full well

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/11/2014 20:53:13    1672699

ormond
The game against Georgia was much more than a nothing game.


ah here now in your own heart of hearts
you know that statement is absoulte rubbish
georgia are a micky mouse outfit, an a v b match woukd have been more informative

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/11/2014 20:56:51    1672700

ormond
The point in complaining is your complaints will be heard and something may be done. Doing nothing and consistently complaining of supposed bias continuing is no good.


nothing will be done becuase its the very same as asking you to change your mind
the man in charge in rte is of the same mind
rugby only

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/11/2014 20:58:05    1672702

ormond
But the all Ireland quarter finals were always scheduled for a specific weekend months in advance. RTE knew they would take place on a weekend and could prepare for that. You cant say the same about a replay of a game..
Rugby at professional level never has and never will have replays. They don't bother with them. All professional games involving Irish Sides are decided on the day the game is played. There is specific rules in place if extra time is level. No replays
the following weekend


no they were not always scheaduled for a specific weekend
several times dublin played their match the following weekend as a stand alone match
and the days were never ever announced or times
meaning rte didnt know what game even they had until after the draw and what times the games where till the monday
so they had less time to organise their programme than this year!!!!
didnt ireland v france have to be replayed in six nations becuase of some problem in the ground recently?
didnt rte have the exact same coveragefor the rescheaduled game?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/11/2014 21:02:30    1672704

ormond
Ryle Nugent is head of the department but he does not have total control of what goes on RTE's schedules
16/11/2014 20:53:13
hill16no1man
are you for real.
he is the man in charge its his decisions,
stop back pedalling you know full well He may be head of RTE Sport but doesn't have executive power over every decision and certainly not running order and time of programmes. That'll be in hands of directors and producers. He has a managerial role and wouldn't be in the day to day decision making of the scheduling of programmes
16/11/2014 20:56:51 hill16no1man
ormond
The game against Georgia was much more than a nothing game.
ah here now in your own heart of hearts
you know that statement is absoulte rubbish
georgia are a micky mouse outfit, an a v b match woukd have been more informative Total ignorance of what test's are and mean in rugby and of who Georgia are in world rugby. You haven't a clue about rugby if you think Georgia are a micky mouse side and an "AvB" game wouldn't be more informative and would be a waste of time. Your statements that Georgia are a micky mouse outfit and that an a v b match would have nbeen more informative is absolute rubblish
Please tell me how an "AvB" game would have been better?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/11/2014 21:05:44    1672706

take todays six one news
hurrciane fly made a world record in punchestown today
he became the first horse in history to win 20 grade one's
not one mention of this feat on the news, no superlatives to greet a horse of a lifetime
in a sport we are currently the best in the world at

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/11/2014 21:08:06    1672707

Fantastic coverage of the club games on Radio 1 again today, great credit due to all involved. Also interesting to see a piece on the 9 o'clock news about the GAA in South Africa

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4663 - 16/11/2014 21:13:43    1672710

Ormond you have out done yourself tonight with rubbish there is nothing at stake in the lions tours where as in the international rules is the only chance gaa players get to represent there country, plus there is also a cup to be won named after a gaa star who died way to young. For instance according to Rte we were suppose to be delighted that a largely Welsh lions team beat an Oz team that we could be capable of beating on our own.For someone who defends rugby so much, it is amazing how little you know about rugby today was a meaningless you are the only one who cannot see that. Plus teams from the southern hemisphere regularly send or play weakened teams in these games for example nz played a weakened team last night and the sa team that played Ireland last week would be illegal to play in the world cup. You talk about Rte not having the tv rights to the ladies football but the do not have rights to the rugby champions cup or the lions but that does not stop given them given massive coverage on the radio/ sports programmes/ tv sports news, the could do like wise to ladies football and i have pointed out previously there poor effort at the highlights of the ladies football final. Ryle is head of sport and decides what to show and i have said before i have complained to them but got little response. Katie Taylor has got very little coverage since for 2012 gold on rte.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 16/11/2014 21:18:00    1672712

ormondbannerman That's unfair to say they flopped against England in world cup. As for your clichéd attack on D4. YAWN.
16/11/2014 20:38:53 if_in_doubt
Congratulations on backing up exactly what Fiona Coghlan was pointing out. The ladies team failed to show up against England. There's no way of arguing anything else. It doesn't matter how impressive the win against New Zealand was in the group, it doesn't matter if they weren't expected to reach a semi to being with. It was a bit similar to the men in 2011 in a way. Pull off a shock beating a superior southern hemisphere team but then fail to follow it up with a performance when it matters.
There was too much of "ah sure didn't they do well against New Zealand though" approach to things after the defeat back in August. That's not an insult to the ladies team, that's just how it is. In fact it's probably the way it should be. I'm sure they want to be treated as equals with their male counterparts, that should include being open to the same levels of criticism the men receive. If people are open to heaping praise on them when they win it should be same when it comes to criticism after a loss. Again I'm sure it's what the players would appreciate - being treated equally.
9 posts in a row, must be close to record for you that...They didn't flop against England. Well beaten by better team who'd have much greater strength in depth. They didn't flop in any way. By merely getting to a semi final shows they didn't flop. Poor performance in the semi final but it was a "flop". Very harsh and in no way similar to mens world cup
16/11/2014 21:08:06 hill16no1man
take todays six one news hurrciane fly made a world record in punchestown today he became the first horse in history to win 20 grade one's
not one mention of this feat on the news, no superlatives to greet a horse of a lifetime in a sport we are currently the best in the world at Horse racing gets very good coverage on the news and in newspapers. Surprise it wasn't on the news. Well done you for at least bringing up that point without a potshot at other sports

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/11/2014 22:01:49    1672727

Georgia are a mickey mouse team.

On today's indo website we have a full article (on the main page):

"VIDEO: Dominic Ryan on that horrific stamp by Georgia's Viktor Kolelishvili"

RTE - a 3 line paragraph halfway through the match report:
"Around the 30-minute mark there was also an incident of foul play as Dominic Ryan's eye was met by a Georgian boot at a ruck. Captain Eoin Reddan raised the issue with referee JP Doyle. A citing seems likely."


"Horrific stamp" vs "eye was met by a Georgian boot" (whatever "eye was met a boot" means)

Bit of a difference in the reports I would say.

I don't have an issue with how rugby is played but I do have an issue with how incidents in the GAA are reported compared with other sports. This is another case in point.

rcarragh (Dublin) - Posts: 305 - 17/11/2014 11:53:56    1672778