I hear you Hurlingdub but wouldn't entirely agree that the November internationals are 'just' challenges. I'm contradicting myself I know but they're very intense games and you can't compare them to the soccer lads v The Yanks next week.

The marketing, or lack of it, departments of each sport has some part to play. Roddy Collins and Stuey Byrne are saying the League of Ireland really needs a marketing facelift if it hopes to improve. IRFU and provincial rugby are doing well marketing their games, always room for improvement. I see Bank of Ireland have a scheme where they let small businesses become a match sponsor. Good for the team, the small business and (ahem) Bank of Ireland. Not a big fan!

GAA marketing, for me, falls in between. I've posted on this before how annoying it is to see empty seats at big matches and loads of tourists remaining oblivious to the fact we have amazing games here that they could see. They'd spend a few quid around the grounds too, some of it going back to government in VAT. I digress!

I don't know for certain but I imagine marketing people for their sports are in contact with TV and Radio stations to get mentioned close to the top of the sports bulletins. A bit like getting software that pushes your company further up the Google, or other, search results. If potential customers don't know about your company or product how can you expect to make money. Being complacent and saying 'sure we're the only show in town' is just playing into your competition's hands. I hope the GAA start getting more competitive marketing wise and that I won't hear a classic provincial hurling final being last on the radio sports bulletin but a Burnley win getting them out of the bottom 3 is the headline.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8193 - 13/11/2014 12:15:57    1671943

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Your points are good, however, is not it a blessing in disguise that we didn't have to listen to Brolly et al for an hour before hand??? ;)

haha he could have informed us how the american football was going haha

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/11/2014 13:42:00    1671971

ormand
Rugby season is in full swing at this stage. provinces have had a few derby games and couple of European games which led directly to these international tests. These are much more than challenge games as they're are best opportunity to test ourselves against the top 3 of OZ, SA, BNZ, and we can see what we're like against the next tier of sides like Samoas/Georgias.

its hardly in full swing now come on would you, there friendly matches
full swing is when six nations and heineken up quarter finals stage and please dont be petty and say its called some other name now
as i know i know.
they are challeneg games man just admit it, you dont win anything for winning you dont get any points in a league , you dont progress
to the next stage, its not a competition, its a friendly match.
yeah and if dublin play down in a challenege match before the championship its the same thing
down get to test themselves against one of the top teams in the sport and dublin get to see what they are like
against the next tier side, its still a challenge match at the end of the day,
dress it up whatever way you like in rugby by getting a sponsor putting a title on it but
win lose or draw you are in the same position after the game.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/11/2014 13:48:03    1671974

ormond
Internationals are big big money for RTE. You keep forgetting to mention it was 15 minutes for a replay scheduled only a week or so?? in advance on a different day to normal etc

and all ireland championship matches are not big big money for rte?
a replay yes a replay of the all ireland football semi final
one of the biggest sporting events in ireland
a week in advance is hardly 5mins notice, i already stated they had reruns of some american sitcom
that lasted one whole year and rte were showing a double bill of it
now you dont need to be a rocket scientist to come up with a simple solution
show one episode of the sitcome and then go live to the gaelic grounds
you please the handfull who actually by accident turned on the sitcome and you please
the 750 odd thousand who purposely tuned in for the gaa

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/11/2014 13:51:38    1671977

Hill16 - re the semi final replay - RTE had a 1 hour preview show the night before , showed the match live on tv and had an extended highlights show the next day. They also covered it on radio.

Had anything really happened between the hour long preview show the night before and the morning of the game where you want another an hour of preview to have been shown? His much preview do you need???? They gave the game huge coverage.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4663 - 13/11/2014 14:01:08    1671980

GreenandRed

i pressume you were responding to me and not hurlingdub haha
im not debating how intense or what quality the match is
what im saying is at the end of the day its a meaningless challenge game
no points on offer, no qualification to next stage, its only a one off game with nothing at stake
hence its a challenge game.
the league of ireland will never get a facelift unless the media in ireland actually are irish owned and
one of them has a vested interest in soccer in ireland. we dont run our own media here in ireland
its all british owned or controlled so they are always going to plaster english soccer in our faces
i always find it hypocritical how irish people will not tune into or attend a soccer game in the league of ireland
yet will cheer for ireland and go to the game
their reason is always the same that the league of ireland is rubbish
yet the irish national team are also rubbish, so why dont they support the english national side like they
support the english club sides?
league of ireland needs to reduce the number of clubs, you have 5 clubs in dublin which is madness
they need to have an all ireland league, it looked very likely when the stanta cup came in
as it had a certain lure in its first few years, they missed the boat or else they couldnt agree with ifa.
if you had a 10 team league it would increase revenue hugely and attendances would be far higher.
there is no excuse for rte in relation to the sports news
its the irish national sports news therefore national sport should be first and foremost
its part of their ethos to inform the public of national interests.
if it was a popularity news bulletin then you would have whatevers trending on twitter as the main headlines
instead of politics from the dail, they dont show politics from the house of commons over the dail
so why do they show sport from britain ahead of ireland?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/11/2014 14:03:47    1671981

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Hill16 - re the semi final replay - RTE had a 1 hour preview show the night before , showed the match live on tv and had an extended highlights show the next day. They also covered it on radio.

Had anything really happened between the hour long preview show the night before and the morning of the game where you want another an hour of preview to have been shown? His much preview do you need???? They gave the game huge coverage.


to answer simply yes
the teams had numerous postional and player changes from the day before
which left the viewers trying to figure out what team was starting and where players were lining out.
an hour build up for a friendly rugby game do they honestly need that in your own opinion?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/11/2014 14:44:48    1671997

I know you can't understand test matches - many sports have them. It's about pride, passion and representing your country against another country. Who cares if there is a trophy handed out, pride is more important. It seems that for you if there is no silly piece of plastic given to one team at the end, it's a meaningless game. You are not alone in this , many other has been brainwashed similarly - it's why the 'World Series' exists - it's hype , nothing more nothing less

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4663 - 13/11/2014 15:31:52    1672017

13/11/2014 12:15:57 GreenandRed
I hear you Hurlingdub but wouldn't entirely agree that the November internationals are 'just' challenges. I'm contradicting myself I know but they're very intense games and you can't compare them to the soccer lads v The Yanks next week.
The marketing, or lack of it, departments of each sport has some part to play. Roddy Collins and Stuey Byrne are saying the League of Ireland really needs a marketing facelift if it hopes to improve. IRFU and provincial rugby are doing well marketing their games, always room for improvement. I see Bank of Ireland have a scheme where they let small businesses become a match sponsor. Good for the team, the small business and (ahem) Bank of Ireland. Not a big fan!
GAA marketing, for me, falls in between. I've posted on this before how annoying it is to see empty seats at big matches and loads of tourists remaining oblivious to the fact we have amazing games here that they could see. They'd spend a few quid around the grounds too, some of it going back to government in VAT. I digress!
I don't know for certain but I imagine marketing people for their sports are in contact with TV and Radio stations to get mentioned close to the top of the sports bulletins. A bit like getting software that pushes your company further up the Google, or other, search results. If potential customers don't know about your company or product how can you expect to make money. Being complacent and saying 'sure we're the only show in town' is just playing into your competition's hands. I hope the GAA start getting more competitive marketing wise and that I won't hear a classic provincial hurling final being last on the radio sports bulletin but a Burnley win getting them out of the bottom 3 is the headline. excellent post.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/11/2014 15:55:11    1672034

ormond
Rugby season is in full swing at this stage. provinces have had a few derby games and couple of European games which led directly to these international tests. These are much more than challenge games as they're are best opportunity to test ourselves against the top 3 of OZ, SA, BNZ, and we can see what we're like against the next tier of sides like Samoas/Georgias.
13/11/2014 13:48:03 hill16no1man
its hardly in full swing now come on would you, there friendly matches
full swing is when six nations and heineken up quarter finals stage and please dont be petty and say its called some other name now
as i know i know.
they are challeneg games man just admit it, you dont win anything for winning you dont get any points in a league , you dont progress
to the next stage, its not a competition, its a friendly match.
yeah and if dublin play down in a challenege match before the championship its the same thing down get to test themselves against one of the top teams in the sport and dublin get to see what they are like against the next tier side, its still a challenge match at the end of the day, dress it up whatever way you like in rugby by getting a sponsor putting a title on it but
win lose or draw you are in the same position after the game. Rugby season is certainly in full season. Provinces well up and running and had several big league games plus the 2 European weekends which have been followed after 1 week of pro12 games by the internationals this month. The rugby season is certainly in full swing. If it isn't in full swing now when would it go into full swing?
These are not "challenge games". They are fully intensive games against some of the best in the world. When would you call "challenge games" in hurling/gaelic a higher intensity than championship games as the new Zealand game last November was of higher intensity/skill etc than any of the 6 Nations games earlier this year. Would you ever say the same about a challenge game for Dublin being of higher intensity and skill than an all Ireland or leinster championship game?
And you are not in the same position win/lose or draw. You can lose world ranking spots or gain them which affects customers and marketing and potential world cup seeding etc etc

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/11/2014 16:01:22    1672035

ormond
Internationals are big big money for RTE. You keep forgetting to mention it was 15 minutes for a replay scheduled only a week or so?? in advance on a different day to normal etc
13/11/2014 13:51:38 hill16no1man
and all ireland championship matches are not big big money for rte? a replay yes a replay of the all ireland football semi final
one of the biggest sporting events in Ireland. a week in advance is hardly 5mins notice, i already stated they had reruns of some american sitcom that lasted one whole year and rte were showing a double bill of it. now you dont need to be a rocket scientist to come up with a simple solution. show one episode of the sitcome and then go live to the gaelic grounds
you please the handfull who actually by accident turned on the sitcome and you please the 750 odd thousand who purposely tuned in for the gaa The game was still shown in full. What more did you want the analysts to do before the match? They did a preview of the game, what more did you want them to discuss other than what they did discuss?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/11/2014 16:07:37    1672036

13/11/2014 14:01:08 bad.monkey
Hill16 - re the semi final replay - RTE had a 1 hour preview show the night before , showed the match live on tv and had an extended highlights show the next day. They also covered it on radio.
Had anything really happened between the hour long preview show the night before and the morning of the game where you want another an hour of preview to have been shown? His much preview do you need???? They gave the game huge coverage.+1

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/11/2014 16:08:04    1672037

13/11/2014 14:03:47 hill16no1man
GreenandRed i pressume you were responding to me and not hurlingdub haha. im not debating how intense or what quality the match is
what im saying is at the end of the day its a meaningless challenge game. no points on offer, no qualification to next stage, its only a one off game with nothing at stake hence its a challenge game.
the league of ireland will never get a facelift unless the media in ireland actually are irish owned and one of them has a vested interest in soccer in ireland. we dont run our own media here in Ireland. its all british owned or controlled so they are always going to plaster english soccer in our faces. i always find it hypocritical how irish people will not tune into or attend a soccer game in the league of Ireland yet will cheer for ireland and go to the game their reason is always the same that the league ofireland is rubbish yet the irish national team are also rubbish, so why dont they support the english national side like they
support the english club sides? And if you asked any player or coach of a national side they would say the complete opposite. The intensity and quality of the games show they are not "meaningless challenge games". Their is world ranking points on offer, there is plenty at stake considering the world cup is only 9 months away and for some these are some of the last opportunities to stake a place in the squad considering the 6Ns will be totally first string sides with no real room for looking at new options.
The media in Ireland isn't all british owned or controlled. The Irish Times and Independent are the two biggest newspapers in the country and both are irish owned and controlled and RTE are the biggest by far tv/radio company and again are irish owned and controlled.
English soccer gets the attention it does as the people want it.
13/11/2014 14:03:47 hill16no1man
league of ireland needs to reduce the number of clubs, you have 5 clubs in dublin which is madness
they need to have an all ireland league, it looked very likely when the stanta cup came in as it had a certain lure in its first few years, they missed the boat or else they couldnt agree with ifa. if you had a 10 team league it would increase revenue hugely and attendances would be far higher. there is no excuse for rte in relation to the sports news its the irish national sports news therefore national sport should be first and foremost its part of their ethos to inform the public of national interests.
if it was a popularity news bulletin then you would have whatevers trending on twitter as the main headlines instead of politics from the dail, they dont show politics from the house of commons over the dail so why do they show sport from britain ahead of ireland? League of Ireland probably does need to reduce the number of teams in the top flight but this is a topic best discussed elsewhere no?
There would be issues with FIFA I assume in relation to an All Ireland league considering Ireland and Northern Ireland compete separately internationally.
RTE isn't obliged to put national news first it puts the biggest stories most relevant to the majority of its audience first.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/11/2014 16:17:40    1672041

bad.monkey
Hill16 - re the semi final replay - RTE had a 1 hour preview show the night before , showed the match live on tv and had an extended highlights show the next day. They also covered it on radio.
Had anything really happened between the hour long preview show the night before and the morning of the game where you want another an hour of preview to have been shown? His much preview do you need???? They gave the game huge coverage.
13/11/2014 14:44:48 hill16no1man
to answer simply yes the teams had numerous postional and player changes from the day before which left the viewers trying to figure out what team was starting and where players were lining out. an hour build up for a friendly rugby game do they honestly need that in your own opinion? The International tests bring in such money for RTE they do need such a build up to the games
The teams at inter county level change so often from the printed teams in media days before its impossible to know how teams will line out so how would more time for analysts to discuss how a team might line out be better?
13/11/2014 15:31:52 bad.monkey
I know you can't understand test matches - many sports have them. It's about pride, passion and representing your country against another country. Who cares if there is a trophy handed out, pride is more important. It seems that for you if there is no silly piece of plastic given to one team at the end, it's a meaningless game. You are not alone in this , many other has been brainwashed similarly - it's why the 'World Series' exists - it's hype , nothing more nothing less +1

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/11/2014 16:20:09    1672043

13/11/2014 12:15:57
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I hear you Hurlingdub but wouldn't entirely agree that the November internationals are 'just' challenges. I'm contradicting myself I know but they're very intense games and you can't compare them to the soccer lads v The Yanks next week.

The marketing, or lack of it, departments of each sport has some part to play. Roddy Collins and Stuey Byrne are saying the League of Ireland really needs a marketing facelift if it hopes to improve. IRFU and provincial rugby are doing well marketing their games, always room for improvement. I see Bank of Ireland have a scheme where they let small businesses become a match sponsor. Good for the team, the small business and (ahem) Bank of Ireland. Not a big fan!

GAA marketing, for me, falls in between. I've posted on this before how annoying it is to see empty seats at big matches and loads of tourists remaining oblivious to the fact we have amazing games here that they could see. They'd spend a few quid around the grounds too, some of it going back to government in VAT. I digress!

I don't know for certain but I imagine marketing people for their sports are in contact with TV and Radio stations to get mentioned close to the top of the sports bulletins. A bit like getting software that pushes your company further up the Google, or other, search results. If potential customers don't know about your company or product how can you expect to make money. Being complacent and saying 'sure we're the only show in town' is just playing into your competition's hands. I hope the GAA start getting more competitive marketing wise and that I won't hear a classic provincial hurling final being last on the radio sports bulletin but a Burnley win getting them out of the bottom 3 is the headline.

To be fair, that is a good post.

You say that 'marketing people' will be pushing to have their sports stories first in the sports bulletins. I don't disagree. Then again, RTE also have 'marketing people' and their job is to ultimately decide what is best for RTE - what makes the best commercial sense for that station. To use your hypothetical example, if more people feel that hearing Burnley finished 17th is more important than a Munster hurling match, then RTE probably should put that first in the bulletin regardless of the lobbying of any sports marketing people.

Hill16No1man raises an interesting point though; for the Mayo/Kerry game, all they had to do was move a Saturday afternoon American sitcom to accommodate the GAA game where an extra 15 minutes would have given them a much bigger revenue stream (one extra advert break) which would surely have covered the fairly low marginal costs of being on air for an extra 15 minutes (the Outside Broadcast was already in place in Limerick). Personally, I do not really care as 15 minutes less of Spillane/Brolly parody is 15 mains gained as far as I am concerned. However, I think it makes poor commercial sense on their part

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 13/11/2014 16:24:41    1672049

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I know you can't understand test matches - many sports have them. It's about pride, passion and representing your country against another country. Who cares if there is a trophy handed out, pride is more important. It seems that for you if there is no silly piece of plastic given to one team at the end, it's a meaningless game. You are not alone in this , many other has been brainwashed similarly - it's why the 'World Series' exists - it's hype , nothing more nothing less

i have to laugh when you say i have been brainwashed haha
you seem totally and utterly brainwashed by the fact guinness sponsor these few challenge matches
a marketing campaign has made you feel they are of significant meaning.
the meaning of what im saying is going over your head.
you play sports as part of a competition its competitive
you compete to win something, there is nothing at stake in these rugby friendlys
just like there is nothing at stake in soccer or gaa equivalent
all the fancy branding or names in the world still cannot mask its a friendly or challenge game
its like you feel your letting rugby down to even acknowledge this

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/11/2014 16:45:48    1672057

4.30pm. Thursday. Of the top 20 sports stories on RTE's Website just one hurling story (Rory Hanniffy's retirement) and not one football story included. That's one better than yesterday. There are however rugby stories about Scotland/NZ/France/Australia/a Welsh rugby referee being verbally abused in England and some booing at a rugby match in Wales (stop press). The national broadcaster has a responsibility first and foremost to inform its licence payers of what is happening in this jurisdiction and that is obviously not an RTE priority. RTE prefer to pander to one section of their audience i.e. those with an interest in rugby. There can be no other explanation for the massive imbalance in their sports coverage. The football and hurling followers would like fair coverage of the only truly competitive sport's events this weekend, the provincial club football and hurling championships which are now approaching a climax. RTE's coverage of those games is pathetic. Is it really too much to expect 'fair play' from RTE, supposedly the national broadcaster?

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 13/11/2014 16:48:02    1672058

ormond

how is it in full swing when its the second competition thats taken main stage and friendlys in international?
come on man take off the rugby only hat for one minute and be serious.
i already told you when they play actual six nations games and the heniken cup is in the buisness end.
oh here we go the old world ranking spots
please change the record man, who cares about world ranking spots its all paper
you dont win anything by being ranked higher.
how is this not getting into your head
im not debating how good a challenge game is in rugby im debating the fact that thats simply what it is
if its not part of a league tournament or competition its therefore a challenge friendly micky mouse
whatever you want to lable it game, win lose or draw you dont get any better off than you were before it started

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/11/2014 16:51:21    1672061

League of Ireland probably does need to reduce the number of teams in the top flight but this is a topic best discussed elsewhere no?
There would be issues with FIFA I assume in relation to an All Ireland league considering Ireland and Northern Ireland compete separately internationally.
RTE isn't obliged to put national news first it puts the biggest stories most relevant to the majority of its audience first.

the league of ireland is relevant as the other poster was discussing its coverage by rte
which is what the headline of this thread is about RTE!!!!
rte is obliged to out national news first
so your telling me that more people want to know about what happened in the dail everyday as opposed to whats trending on twitter?
if gaa is the biggest sport in ireland brings in the biggest ratings on rte
well then doesnt that prove that the majority of the audience want to see it and there being shut out by rte news?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/11/2014 17:02:22    1672064

ormond
The International tests bring in such money for RTE they do need such a build up to the games
The teams at inter county level change so often from the printed teams in media days before its impossible to know how teams will line out so how would more time for analysts to discuss how a team might line out be better?

rubbish!!!!
all ireland championship matches bring bigger ratings than a challenge match in rugby so therefore
your idea of money is blown aside
the rugby was a challeneg game
the gaa was an all ireland semi final
you know yourself that it was clearly bias on their behalf to
give the friendly game an hour and the all ireland semi final 15 mins

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/11/2014 17:05:06    1672066