11/11/2014 09:40:11 hill16no1man
this thread is about rte yet seems i cannot post? did anybody else not find it very unfair that this friendly match in rugby was given a full hour build up on rte before the match yet for the all ireland football semi final between kerry and mayo in a completly new venue after a week of high talking points over the choosing of the venue for the panel to discuss, it was only given 15 mins on rte before throw in A replay, an unscheduled game that would have required change to listings only a week or two prior to the game.
If you found it unfair did you complain about the bias in scheduling?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 11/11/2014 11:36:31    1671345

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A replay, an unscheduled game that would have required change to listings only a week or two prior to the game.
If you found it unfair did you complain about the bias in scheduling?

change to listings come on, a rerun double bill of some american sitcom that only lasted one series and they pulle the plug on it
was on for an hour before that all ireland semi final came on the tv.
it hardly takes a lot of manouvering to just show one episode of that rubbish that nobody was watching anyway
and then come on from the gaelic grounds instead of the second episode.
rte have no problem cancelling programmes for politics and all sorts of other programmes which come up a days notice
this game had a full weeks notice

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 11/11/2014 12:25:43    1671371

What about the time Munster beat a hungover All Blacks? That was the best day in Irish history.... NAY! World History. Someone was on talking about it again on the radio the other day. They are making a film about it or canonizing the bottle carrier or something.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 11/11/2014 12:29:06    1671374

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What about the time Munster beat a hungover All Blacks? That was the best day in Irish history.... NAY! World History. Someone was on talking about it again on the radio the other day. They are making a film about it or canonizing the bottle carrier or something.

haha yeah and apparently there was over 100 thousand in the ground that day too

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 11/11/2014 12:32:06    1671379

ormondbannerman

The typical reply from you is have you complained to rte or this or that about the issue someone has posted. What you seem to forget his is a discussion board where people can air their views about what is going on in the GAA, its about different view points, some argue in favor and some against the point. A reply saying have you complained to RTE is not a discussion of the point and I cannot understand your constant repeating of this. If you are saying that nobody in the GAA has ever complained to RTE about their converge then you are wrong, as I have pointed out the GAA at the highest levels have complained to RTE about their coverage of the GAA, it has made a jot of a difference. Should everyone complaint to RTE about it - well its clear that if the leaders of the GAA complain and it falls on deaf ears then we would just be wasting out time. That doesn't mean we cannot discuss the issues.
The amazing thing about the RTE debate is only this year we have seen exactly where their agenda lay, the President of the GAA got savaged on RTE and the deal with SKY was given huge amount of airtime across all of RTE. The GAA complained and got a very strong defense from RTE. The later on in the year the Pro 12 goes to SKY with limited showings on TG4 - did the President of the IRFU get hauled over the coals over this?
I for one am not against rugby, I have played, coached and have kids playing however I am a GAA man first and foremost and its not difficult to see that there is not a level playing field with RTE. I hope all the posters on here also complaining about RTE were also people who supported the SKY deal!

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2036 - 11/11/2014 13:34:32    1671408

ormondbannerman
A replay, an unscheduled game that would have required change to listings only a week or two prior to the game. If you found it unfair did you complain about the bias in scheduling?
11/11/2014 12:25:43 hill16no1man
change to listings come on, a rerun double bill of some american sitcom that only lasted one series and they pulle the plug on it
was on for an hour before that all ireland semi final came on the tv.
it hardly takes a lot of manouvering to just show one episode of that rubbish that nobody was watching anyway
and then come on from the gaelic grounds instead of the second episode.
rte have no problem cancelling programmes for politics and all sorts of other programmes which come up a days notice
this game had a full weeks noticeSport is completely different to politics and political issues affect and are of interest to way more people than any sporting event. Why don't you contact RTE if you've any issues

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 11/11/2014 17:00:08    1671509

11/11/2014 12:32:06 hill16no1man
ormondbannerman The typical reply from you is have you complained to rte or this or that about the issue someone has posted. What you seem to forget his is a discussion board where people can air their views about what is going on in the GAA, its about different view points, some argue in favor and some against the point. A reply saying have you complained to RTE is not a discussion of the point and I cannot understand your constant repeating of this. If you are saying that nobody in the GAA has ever complained to RTE about their converge then you are wrong, as I have pointed out the GAA at the highest levels have complained to RTE about their coverage of the GAA, it has made a jot of a difference. Should everyone complaint to RTE about it - well its clear that if the leaders of the GAA complain and it falls on deaf ears then we would just be wasting out time. That doesn't mean we cannot discuss the issues. I haven't forgotten that this is a discussion forum but people keep bringing up for discussion that they have issues with a supposed bias in the sports coverage from RTE. What are they doing about it other than complaining here?
Asking have people written or emailed RTE is discussing the point. My constant repeating of contact RTE is because you could get something changed if you contact RTE but if you don't and just complain here on this forum NOTHING WILL CHANGE. Have the top brass in GAA consistently looked for improvements well then if you and everyone else who are members of GAA complain in enough numbers RTE will be forced to change

11/11/2014 12:32:06 hill16no1man
The amazing thing about the RTE debate is only this year we have seen exactly where their agenda lay, the President of the GAA got savaged on RTE and the deal with SKY was given huge amount of airtime across all of RTE. The GAA complained and got a very strong defense from RTE. The later on in the year the Pro 12 goes to SKY with limited showings on TG4 - did the President of the IRFU get hauled over the coals over this?
I for one am not against rugby, I have played, coached and have kids playing however I am a GAA man first and foremost and its not difficult to see that there is not a level playing field with RTE. I hope all the posters on here also complaining about RTE were also people who supported the SKY deal! Pro12 isn't the main rugby competition. When heineken cup initially went to Sky exclusively and RTE were unable to show live European cup games there was an awful stink by RTE and Phillip Browne was hauled up in front of media or as you say "hauled over the voals?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 11/11/2014 17:08:03    1671516

Ormo
Sport is completely different to politics and political issues affect and are of interest to way more people than any sporting event
I completely agree Ormo. Can you remind us what your view was when RTE ran the sacking of David Moyes, a Scottish manager of an English soccer club, as the headline story on the main evening news?

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 11/11/2014 18:10:10    1671541

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Ormo
Sport is completely different to politics and political issues affect and are of interest to way more people than any sporting event
I completely agree Ormo. Can you remind us what your view was when RTE ran the sacking of David Moyes, a Scottish manager of an English soccer club, as the headline story on the main evening news? I will remind you of my view when you answer me by saying my name correctly. You have taken me up before by saying peoples names wrong/spelling them wrong so kindly spell mine correctly. thanks

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 11/11/2014 18:29:16    1671546

stop spending countless threads ormond talking about your name and stop mentioning complain to rte as it contributes nothing to the debate...its become like an automated response at this stage..as soma suggested david moyes sacking was given bigger coverage than anything yet that is sport as you say..smaller than politics..an all ireland semi final warrants a lot more build up than a rugby challenge match similar to a 6 nations match deserving a lot more coverage than a gaa league match or an irish soccer friendly

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 11/11/2014 18:53:07    1671556

7.20pm Wednesday. The RTE Sport website features 16 top stories and not 1 football or hurling story is deemed important enough to be included. However among RTE's top 16 stories are two on non-competitive friendly rugby matches being played abroad next weekend - NZ v Scotland and SA v England. It's not as if there are no football or hurling stories worthy of coverage - the Aran/Achill Connacht club JF Final (involving 50 Irish sportsmen), or the return to collective intercounty training this weekend (involving over 300 Irish sportsmen) or the likely return to the Tyrone panel of Irish sportsman Cathal McCarron or even the views of football fashionista Paul Galvin on Amateurism as reported in today's papers. These stories matter much more to the majority of the RTE audience than friendly rugby internationals involving foreign sides and the viewing figures are there to prove it. Unless of course the only TAM ratings that matter are those in D4.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 12/11/2014 19:30:26    1671840

11/11/2014 18:53:07 fabio8
stop spending countless threads ormond talking about your name and stop mentioning complain to rte as it contributes nothing to the debate...its become like an automated response at this stage..as soma suggested david moyes sacking was given bigger coverage than anything yet that is sport as you say..smaller than politics..an all ireland semi final warrants a lot more build up than a rugby challenge match similar to a 6 nations match deserving a lot more coverage than a gaa league match or an irish soccer friendly If you and others want me to stop talking about the correct way to say my username then there's a very obvious solution...
How does saying issue a complaint to RTE offer nothing to the debate. People have issues with RTE's coverage yet they haven't or are saying they wont actually issue a letter of concern/complaint with whom they have a problem with. That isn't logical.
Stop dismissing these as only "challenge matches" as they are far from it. A "challenge match" is a meaningless game prior to a championship. These November and June Internationals are where we test ourselves against the traditional top 3 sides in the world and we get to try out players we wouldn't be able to in a 6Nations game.
All Ireland Semi Final replay played on a Saturday only brought to schedule at short ish notice. Week or so. If you and others desire to know why this game had such a short preview on RTE tv have any of ye contacted somebody who could answer your queries
12/11/2014 19:30:26 mediaman
7.20pm Wednesday. The RTE Sport website features 16 top stories and not 1 football or hurling story is deemed important enough to be included. However among RTE's top 16 stories are two on non-competitive friendly rugby matches being played abroad next weekend - NZ v Scotland and SA v England. It's not as if there are no football or hurling stories worthy of coverage - the Aran/Achill Connacht club JF Final (involving 50 Irish sportsmen), or the return to collective intercounty training this weekend (involving over 300 Irish sportsmen) or the likely return to the Tyrone panel of Irish sportsman Cathal McCarron or even the views of football fashionista Paul Galvin on Amateurism as reported in today's papers. These stories matter much more to the majority of the RTE audience than friendly rugby internationals involving foreign sides and the viewing figures are there to prove it. Unless of course the only TAM ratings that matter are those in D4. Will you be contacting RTE about this? Are you sure all these stories matter more to the majority of the RTE audience as unless you contact RTE with your negative response to their coverage will they ever know that you and any others who also have issues with the sports that RTE cover and how RTE covers live sport

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 12/11/2014 20:22:17    1671851

its already being stated that people have contacted rte and nothing has been done..its an automated response by you..you dont add anything to the debate or counter points..just the same automated response...it is a challenge match..thats the gaa name for a friendly or test match..challenge matches are important for testing tactics and players for the championship..why are you dismissing them?..same with an international friendly in soccer..both those are very useful in trying out players...rte easily could have changed the schedule rather comfortably...its an all ireland semi final..one of the biggest games of the year in irish sport...the lack of effort is disappointing

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 12/11/2014 20:37:53    1671860

Lads unfortunately we live in an age where social media and other factors have made some people fickle. That makes them a marketing man's dream. Because of the won over the Springboks right now rugby is hot. Mentioning rugby on the wireless, telly or papers can make some markets part with their cash more than less fickle people. If Ireland beat Scotland on Friday the national team and soccer will be the cheese maybe for a week if the lads beat Oz. In a few weeks time some other sport will be temporarily cool. It's not just RTE, they're all at it. Marketing brings in the cash and they're always looking for new markets. They're not meaning to be offensive to us, just looking to survive.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8193 - 12/11/2014 20:54:50    1671872

Can people really not understand that as a national broadcaster RTE don't give much coverage to local clubs games be they GAA club , AIL rugby or local soccer. They wouldn't have time - they give major coverage to inter county GAA , provincial/international rugby and LOI/International soccer.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4663 - 12/11/2014 20:55:22    1671873

club gaa is bigger than league of ireland bad monkey..due to the gaa lacking international..inter county is effectively the 'international' version or representitive side of gaa while club is club

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 12/11/2014 21:00:40    1671874

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Lads unfortunately we live in an age where social media and other factors have made some people fickle. That makes them a marketing man's dream. Because of the won over the Springboks right now rugby is hot. Mentioning rugby on the wireless, telly or papers can make some markets part with their cash more than less fickle people. If Ireland beat Scotland on Friday the national team and soccer will be the cheese maybe for a week if the lads beat Oz. In a few weeks time some other sport will be temporarily cool. It's not just RTE, they're all at it. Marketing brings in the cash and they're always looking for new markets. They're not meaning to be offensive to us, just looking to survive.

but thats the thing
in the heat of september the gaa is their buzz sport
it pulls in their biggest ratings
and to only give a game which probably pulled in over 750 thousand viewers
a 15 minute build up
compared to a challenge match in rugby an hour build up at a time of year when the rugby season aint in full swing
shows a clear lack of sports equality by the brodcaster.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/11/2014 09:32:39    1671902

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Can people really not understand that as a national broadcaster RTE don't give much coverage to local clubs games be they GAA club , AIL rugby or local soccer. They wouldn't have time - they give major coverage to inter county GAA , provincial/international rugby and LOI/International soccer.

you could hardly say they dont give much coverage to league of ireland soccer anymore
they show a live game nearly every week
they run MNS a weekly league of ireland soccer programme showing highlights and discussing the topics of the week.
the problem here doesnt lie with the club scene
the problem lies with the top level in each sport
how can they honestly justify an hour bulid up for a friendly as oppossed to a 15 minute build up for an all ireland semi final

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/11/2014 09:36:24    1671904

Hill16No1Man

Your points are good, however, is not it a blessing in disguise that we didn't have to listen to Brolly et al for an hour before hand??? ;)

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 13/11/2014 10:25:36    1671916

12/11/2014 20:37:53 fabio8
its already being stated that people have contacted rte and nothing has been done..its an automated response by you..you dont add anything to the debate or counter points..just the same automated response...it is a challenge match..thats the gaa name for a friendly or test match..challenge matches are important for testing tactics and players for the championship..why are you dismissing them?..same with an international friendly in soccer..both those are very useful in trying out players...rte easily could have changed the schedule rather comfortably...its an all ireland semi final..one of the biggest games of the year in irish sport...the lack of effort is disappointing Its not an automated response its a response that actually could do something as being a keyboard warrior and complaining here will certainly do nothing.
The games are not "challenge matches" and much more than just testing tactics and trying out players. Oh RTE could easily have changed their schedule? You sure on that? How do you know there was a lack of effort
13/11/2014 09:32:39 hill16no1man
but thats the thing in the heat of september the gaa is their buzz sport it pulls in their biggest ratings and to only give a game which probably pulled in over 750 thousand viewers. a 15 minute build up compared to a challenge match in rugby an hour build up at a time of year when the rugby season aint in full swing shows a clear lack of sports equality by the brodcaster. Rugby season is in full swing at this stage. provinces have had a few derby games and couple of European games which led directly to these international tests. These are much more than challenge games as they're are best opportunity to test ourselves against the top 3 of OZ, SA, BNZ, and we can see what we're like against the next tier of sides like Samoas/Georgias.
13/11/2014 09:36:24 hill16no1man
you could hardly say they dont give much coverage to league of ireland soccer anymore they show a live game nearly every week they run MNS a weekly league of ireland soccer programme showing highlights and discussing the topics of the week. the problem here doesnt lie with the club scene. the problem lies with the top level in each sport. how can they honestly justify an hour bulid up for a friendly as oppossed to a 15 minute build up for an all ireland semi finalInternationals are big big money for RTE. You keep forgetting to mention it was 15 minutes for a replay scheduled only a week or so?? in advance on a different day to normal etc

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/11/2014 11:23:34    1671926