Ormond i am surprised to see you got my name wrong given you throwing a fit every time anyone got your name wrong but i will let it go as i am reasonable. This thread is about Rte sport news and i just want them to read out the results which i think is reasonable to expect.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 21/10/2014 13:10:05    1665748

The tackle is definitely safer now, players are bigger but the tackle is safer with players much more knowledgeable on hits/intensity etc

All statistics that have been produced between the pre and post professional era point to more injuries, to say that the tackle is safer now because players are bettwer coached on what side to put their head on in the tackle or how to use their shoulder is ridiculous. Rugby is a game of impact the bigger the player making the impact the greater the chance of injury to both parties. Saying that all kids are in gyms is from what I have seen not true, Gaelic Football and Hurling are not games that rely on impact, the reality is now that if you take the ball into contact you are likely to lose it. A recent report by the RFU revealed that concussion is now the number on injury to players and that may only be due to the fact people have become better aware of what it is and thats only at the top level god knows how bad it is at club level.
So lets get back to the original point and this is that the media ignore quite a lot of the issues with sports other than the GAA. Here is something else - according to reports Anthony Foley berated the officials at the munster game at half time - despite the game being on the TV I have yet to see any clips of this? has anyone seen any?

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2034 - 21/10/2014 14:17:52    1665775

The tackle is definitely safer now, players are bigger but the tackle is safer with players much more knowledgeable on hits/intensity etc
21/10/2014 14:17:52 zinny
All statistics that have been produced between the pre and post professional era point to more injuries, to say that the tackle is safer now because players are bettwer coached on what side to put their head on in the tackle or how to use their shoulder is ridiculous. Rugby is a game of impact the bigger the player making the impact the greater the chance of injury to both parties. Saying that all kids are in gyms is from what I have seen not true, Gaelic Football and Hurling are not games that rely on impact, the reality is now that if you take the ball into contact you are likely to lose it. A recent report by the RFU revealed that concussion is now the number on injury to players and that may only be due to the fact people have become better aware of what it is and thats only at the top level god knows how bad it is at club level.
So lets get back to the original point and this is that the media ignore quite a lot of the issues with sports other than the GAA. Here is something else - according to reports Anthony Foley berated the officials at the munster game at half time - despite the game being on the TV I have yet to see any clips of this? has anyone seen any? Tackle, ruck, maul all safer since professionalism as well as the scrum. Things have changed big time in past couple of decades but the sport overall is much safer than the past because of better coaching, more coaching and better officiating
Foley didn't berate officials he queried decisions at a break in play(half time) which is allowable
I would assume he asked the officials in their dressing room which wouldn't be on screen
Why don't you contact RTE and other media sources if you feel they are ignoring issues from other sports

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/10/2014 20:20:50    1666283

ormondbannerman

You really are embarrassing yourself with your attempt to argue a point despite being able to offer nothing in support of it. I coach rugby at youth level and although coaching has got better around how people should tackle, its all about how the tackler can more effectively hit the target, this does nothing to protect the player who gets hit. The rules of the scrum have been changed recently to deal with the increased power of the hit at the scrum and that came about from the increase in pack size. So yes everything points to the fact that since the professional era, there have been more injuries in rugby than prior and yes better coaching has helped perhaps keep this statistic from being worse but lets not deny the obvious. As for your attempt to justify AF - I quote from the Irish Times
Anthony Foley strode over to touch judge, Thomas Dejean, at half-time as players from both sides made their way down the tunnel. The Munster coach was annoyed, with reasonable grounds, about two decisions that had cost his team seven points in one instance and good field position in the second.
His anger was palpable as he remonstrated with the official but he had regained his emotional equilibrium before he walked through the changing-room door.

Your advice to contact the media, feels like the bottom of the barrel but even then you have got that wrong. Perhaps your only involvement in the GAA is posting on this forum as if you followed the GAA over the years you would know that the GAA at the highest levels have criticized the media coverage of the GAA, and to what avail? The GAA are not in the business of saying that the media should cover more of other sports negative aspects rather they believe that one rule applies for GAA coverage and another for other sports. All the ask and what I have said is all are treated the same.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2034 - 23/10/2014 09:00:07    1666332

Zinny I think every sensible poster with a knowledge of rugby would agree with you. At the professional level, something close to 24% of players are now out injured at any one time, there have been a record number of early retirements through injury over the past couple of years, and now the clampdown on crooked put-ins at the scrum to try and make the game more exciting is resulting in a huge number of injuries to hookers - Anthony Foley has spoken about the problem just this week.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 23/10/2014 10:34:57    1666377

23/10/2014 09:00:07 zinny
ormondbannerman You really are embarrassing yourself with your attempt to argue a point despite being able to offer nothing in support of it. I coach rugby at youth level and although coaching has got better around how people should tackle, its all about how the tackler can more effectively hit the target, this does nothing to protect the player who gets hit. The rules of the scrum have been changed recently to deal with the increased power of the hit at the scrum and that came about from the increase in pack size. So yes everything points to the fact that since the professional era, there have been more injuries in rugby than prior and yes better coaching has helped perhaps keep this statistic from being worse but lets not deny the obvious. As for your attempt to justify AF - I quote from the Irish Times
Anthony Foley strode over to touch judge, Thomas Dejean, at half-time as players from both sides made their way down the tunnel. The Munster coach was annoyed, with reasonable grounds, about two decisions that had cost his team seven points in one instance and good field position in the second.
His anger was palpable as he remonstrated with the official but he had regained his emotional equilibrium before he walked through the changing-room door.
Your advice to contact the media, feels like the bottom of the barrel but even then you have got that wrong. Perhaps your only involvement in the GAA is posting on this forum as if you followed the GAA over the years you would know that the GAA at the highest levels have criticized the media coverage of the GAA, and to what avail? The GAA are not in the business of saying that the media should cover more of other sports negative aspects rather they believe that one rule applies for GAA coverage and another for other sports. All the ask and what I have said is all are treated the same. hahaha all of the laws changes in the past decade have primarily been safety driven. The laws about squeeze ball, changes to the scrum call, even when they introduced and then took away collapsing a maul legally all were driven by safety concerns.
Teams are playing more these days than the amateur era which is also a primary reason for more injuries.
On Axel he queried decisions which he can rightfully do but you are turning or trying to turn what happened into something it isn't or wasn't.
My advice on contacting the media is nothing like bottom of the barrel. Its simple advice that you and anyone else pissed off with RTE's supposed bias for one sport and against the GAA should simply follow if they want to start the process for change in coverage of GAA.
I said nothing about the GAA looking to the media for them to cover more bad stories in other sports. I said for you and others here who are huge GAA fans to contact the media sources like RTE, Irish Times, Irish Independent etc if ye feel the GAA is getting a raw deal
23/10/2014 10:34:57
Soma
Zinny I think every sensible poster with a knowledge of rugby would agree with you. At the professional level, something close to 24% of players are now out injured at any one time, there have been a record number of early retirements through injury over the past couple of years, and now the clampdown on crooked put-ins at the scrum to try and make the game more exciting is resulting in a huge number of injuries to hookers - Anthony Foley has spoken about the problem just this week. drop the attacks at me. Rather tiresome especially as you try and hide them. Openly criticise me if you are going to criticise me/
Their is a clampdown on crooked put ins at scrums to give a contest and that isn't about making the game more exciting its to make the game fairer to each side

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/10/2014 11:26:27    1666418

Ormo its a discussion board not a place for attacking other posters, confrontation should be kept for the playing fields! I assume the fact you only disputed the minor point on whether the crooked put-in was clamped down on for reasons of excitement or fairness (it was both) means you don't dispute any of the other points re: 24% of players injured at any one time, hookers suffering a huge number of injuries, early retirement through injury etc. All these stats indicate that the game is in no way getting safer, even if some rules have been introduced in an effort to address safety issues.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 23/10/2014 12:52:04    1666478

23/10/2014 12:52:04
Soma
Ormo its a discussion board not a place for attacking other posters, confrontation should be kept for the playing fields! I assume the fact you only disputed the minor point on whether the crooked put-in was clamped down on for reasons of excitement or fairness (it was both) means you don't dispute any of the other points re: 24% of players injured at any one time, hookers suffering a huge number of injuries, early retirement through injury etc. All these stats indicate that the game is in no way getting safer, even if some rules have been introduced in an effort to address safety issues. Soma I am confrontational but you and others don't help with the calling me ormo. Its trolling when ive asked/whinged etc you not to. Call me Ormond
I do dispute the others. Early retirements all increase in sports as they turn professional but it levels out over time. Rugby is still in its infancy as a professional sport so is still adjusting and the injury rate will his the top of the bell curve soon enough
The sport is getting safer due to laws changes, how referees control and manage games

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/10/2014 13:52:15    1666503

Im not sure if you can say that injuries will hit a wall. The more games there are the more likely you are to get inujured, in any sport. Im not an expert on rugby or on sports science/injuries etc. but I would imagine that with an ever increasing amount of rugby games being played, not to mention the training, serious injuries will become quite common.
No matter how a ref manages the game, the nature of the game means theres going to be a lot of wear and tear involved in a sport as physical as rugby.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 24/10/2014 11:00:03    1666779

24/10/2014 11:00:03 joncarter
Im not sure if you can say that injuries will hit a wall. The more games there are the more likely you are to get inujured, in any sport. Im not an expert on rugby or on sports science/injuries etc. but I would imagine that with an ever increasing amount of rugby games being played, not to mention the training, serious injuries will become quite common.
No matter how a ref manages the game, the nature of the game means theres going to be a lot of wear and tear involved in a sport as physical as rugby. Provinces are not going to be playing any more games than they currently do. Max a province can play in a year is 33 and Ireland play between 10 and 12 and Irish players play at max around half that ie max a player will play is in and around 22-25 with some exceptions. Jamie Heaslip for example who is rarely injured and plays 27/28 games a season
There isn't an ever increasing number of rugby games being played. The provinces have had between 6 and 9 games in Europe and 22-24 in the pro12 since the Italians joined the pro12 in 10/11 season.
What do you define as serious injuries?
There is a lot of wear and tear but management of players by IRFU is fairly sound and after nearly 20 years as a professional sport the level of adjustment to playing week in week out as pro players will level out

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/10/2014 11:29:32    1666787

An RTE sports reporter recently berated Joe Brolly for in his opinion trivialising a 'violent' incident in the Donegal Armagh match in Croke Park. Is this the same reporter who on RTE's main sports bulletin at 8.35am this morning gave the result of the Everton Lille game without the slightest mention of the 'violent' scenes involving riot police which took place in the lead up to the game? RTE certainly can't be accused of trivialising 'violence' on this occasion. They completely ignored it instead. The three monkeys syndrome again.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 24/10/2014 18:56:43    1666972

Id say any injury that will continue to affect you,even after you have retired is pretty serious.
Things like back/knee/hip/neck problems I suppose.
Anything that makes your everyday life a bit more difficult.
For example a player can suffer a hamstring injury but can still live a normal life.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 25/10/2014 16:40:09    1667112

Based on past experience a crowd of 8,000-10,000 Dubliners will turn up in Parnell Park tonight to watch the Dublin SFC Final. An event tailor made for huge local radio coverage? Not if you were listening to Sunshine Radio at 6pm. Their sports news began as it should have with details of the Dublin Marathon the biggest event of the day in the city with 14,000 runners. Next they previewed tonight's UCD Galway soccer play off a game guaranteed to attract no more than a couple of hundred spectators and even that may be a severe exaggeration. Of course the Vincent's EROP short game preview, actually it was only a brief mention, followed later. What right thinking journalist on a Dublin local radio station would put UCD ahead of the biggest club football game of the year? Curious and curiouser.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 27/10/2014 18:33:44    1667552

The crowd in Parnell Park is so great the throw in has been delayed by ten minutes to get everyone into the ground.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 27/10/2014 19:52:35    1667576

FM 104 has just given the score of the QPR game in London and has promised to keep listeners up to date with any further scores. While just down the road 10,000 Dubliners are watching the Dublin County Final and there isn't a word about it. You couldn't make this up.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 27/10/2014 20:24:17    1667595

Why is there no MatchTracker on here tonight?

jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 27/10/2014 20:28:03    1667596

DubMatchTracker and TheScore.ie are providing regular updates.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 27/10/2014 20:36:19    1667598

25/10/2014 16:40:09 joncarter
Id say any injury that will continue to affect you,even after you have retired is pretty serious.
Things like back/knee/hip/neck problems I suppose.
Anything that makes your everyday life a bit more difficult.
For example a player can suffer a hamstring injury but can still live a normal life.Knee/Back hip problems some do affect after retirement some don't. Trevor Hogan retired with a knee injury and it hasn't affected him too much. There is plenty in GAA who suffer from injuries well into retirement as well and that affect their day to day life...
27/10/2014 18:33:44 mediaman
Based on past experience a crowd of 8,000-10,000 Dubliners will turn up in Parnell Park tonight to watch the Dublin SFC Final. An event tailor made for huge local radio coverage? Not if you were listening to Sunshine Radio at 6pm. Their sports news began as it should have with details of the Dublin Marathon the biggest event of the day in the city with 14,000 runners. Next they previewed tonight's UCD Galway soccer play off a game guaranteed to attract no more than a couple of hundred spectators and even that may be a severe exaggeration. Of course the Vincent's EROP short game preview, actually it was only a brief mention, followed later. What right thinking journalist on a Dublin local radio station would put UCD ahead of the biggest club football game of the year? Curious and curiouser. Did you contact those stations about their coverage?

27/10/2014 20:24:17
mediaman
FM 104 has just given the score of the QPR game in London and has promised to keep listeners up to date with any further scores. While just down the road 10,000 Dubliners are watching the Dublin County Final and there isn't a word about it. You couldn't make this up. Did you contact FM104 to ask why they gave the score of the QPR game and not the county gaelic football final?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/10/2014 21:17:08    1667615

Mediaman dd you contact the rte news about the lack of coverage of the disgraceful scenes At the end of the Derry county final last week , these scenes are happening every week in the GAA and a blind eye is being turned to them all by the media and dont tell me the same is happening in other sports because its not

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 28/10/2014 16:55:41    1667830

RTE News has surpassed itself once more. Tonight's 9 o'clock news included an item on the International Rules panel for the game in Perth. And guess what? Par for the course they showed footage of violent scenes from a past Ireland Australia match. Nothing unusual for RTE to do that where football or hurling are concerned but the footage they used was from 1984. That's 30 year old clips being used to preview a game next month. Remember the All-Ireland hurling final preview? RTE did something similar then as well. The question is why? Has anyone ever seen a match in other sport being previewed on RTE using violent clips from past matches? This can't be co-incidence. Can it?

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 28/10/2014 21:42:52    1667926