Turkeypluker i don't think i am asking to much for them to read out the results of a few county finals, why show highlights of Offaly football final and completely ignore the football finals in Sligo and Cavan. Ormond 26 games? i am surprised that such a rugby man would not know that the 4 provinces play between 22-24 league teams a season. Sky only show 14 games a season plenty of other games bar that, for example why did the not bid for the Saturday night league games. There are more people employed in horse sports then rugby so rugby is not the number 1 professional sport in Ireland. There is a international element in gaa the international rules but Rte pulled out of showing any of that, like the have pulled out of showing any of the minor championship and do not show any of the international shinty matches. Ormond you are forgetting the ail games the will show and would not be surprised if the show do other rugby games this season. You also miss the point of the job of an editor. The will still show twice as many rugby games as either football or hurling despite rugby been a smaller sport then either and give rugby massive coverage on there sport news, sport programmes and in general programming, for example has a lady footballer ever been interviewed on a chat show in Ireland

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 13/10/2014 21:50:04    1663377

Farneyfriend after reading about the amount of effort you went to in an effort to defend RTE, and the pride you had in proving the Sunday Independent wrong, I really wanted you to be correct in what you said. Sadly, but inevitably, after checking it all out I find you are much better at inventing a story than the Indo journalists. On Saturday 4th there was sports news on RTE Radio 1 at 8am, read by I think Brian Carthy, which covered soccer and rugby extensively as you would expect, along with golf, motor-racing and horse-racing. However, the resignation of Jim McGuinness was not mentioned at all, or indeed any type of GAA news. Here is an excerpt from the piece in the Independent, which reported this:

"ON the morning after excellence in Irish radio was celebrated at the annual PPI awards, RTé let standards slip a little on their early news and sports broadcasts yesterday. Jim McGuinness is one of the most high-profile people in Irish sport right now yet neither the news nor sports bulletins at 8.00am yesterday reported the biggest breaking story in Irish sport - McGuinness's resignation as Donegal manager. The sports bulletin featured soccer, golf, motorsport and racing but not a word on the departure of one of the most influential men in Gaelic football over the last few years."

The only part I would disagree with is the 'letting standards slip' description - I would suggest the standard was the same as it ever was! So there we have it - the Sunday Independent is a bastion of truth and accuracy when compared to your average HS RTE cheerleader:-)

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 14/10/2014 09:18:48    1663396

Me: RTE's failure to read out the results of any county football or hurling finals (like they've done in the past), referring us instead to their website to get the results, was a complete pile of dog doo-doo.

ormondbannerman: why is that poor from them?

Because in the past, they've announced the results of county finals, and now they're declining to do that and telling us to look at the website. That's why it's poor from them; they're taking shortcuts and supplying less information than they would have done in previous years. Sure, there's nothing wrong with them directing people to their website, but can you ever imagine RTE showing the goals from two of a Saturday's Premier League schedule of games and then saying "You can see the rest of the results on the RTE website"? Of course not (unless a soccerphobe takes control of RTE).

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1208 - 14/10/2014 10:18:22    1663419

Me: RTE's failure to read out the results of any county football or hurling finals (like they've done in the past), referring us instead to their website to get the results, was a complete pile of dog doo-doo.

ormondbannerman: why is that poor from them?

Because in the past, they've announced the results of county finals, and now they're declining to do that and telling us to look at the website. That's why it's poor from them; they're taking shortcuts and supplying less information than they would have done in previous years. Sure, there's nothing wrong with them directing people to their website, but can you ever imagine RTE showing the goals from two of a Saturday's Premier League schedule of games and then saying "You can see the rest of the results on the RTE website"? Of course not (unless a soccerphobe takes control of RTE).

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1208 - 14/10/2014 11:50:02    1663459

14/10/2014 10:18:22
Tacaí Liatroma
Me: RTE's failure to read out the results of any county football or hurling finals (like they've done in the past), referring us instead to their website to get the results, was a complete pile of dog doo-doo.
ormondbannerman: why is that poor from them?
Because in the past, they've announced the results of county finals, and now they're declining to do that and telling us to look at the website. That's why it's poor from them; they're taking shortcuts and supplying less information than they would have done in previous years. Sure, there's nothing wrong with them directing people to their website, but can you ever imagine RTE showing the goals from two of a Saturday's Premier League schedule of games and then saying "You can see the rest of the results on the RTE website"? Of course not (unless a soccerphobe takes control of RTE). Its not poor from them. County finals have a limited appeal. While provincial/national/county sides/teams will have much greater appeal
They're not taking shortcuts
Comparing a premiership game to a club gaa game? That's crazy as they are completely different animals

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/10/2014 13:57:02    1663530

jesus farneyfriend your on a bad run!

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 14/10/2014 16:14:57    1663603

RTE has been pretty much a one man rugby and, more recently (especially via their website) cricket PR machine. However, there is a report on the Irish Indo's website today (basically Leinster rubgy central) regarding an allegation of very serious foul play (even for rugby) from an Ulster rubgy player versus Glasgow. No sign of this on the RTE site yet (it's on the BBC and Irish Times) but there is a story about Andrew Trimble's toe injury in the same game. Now if there was an allegation that a GAA player left an opponent unconscious for 10 minutes with an illegal tackle not only would it be headline news but there'd be a news flash as well.

The GAA shouldn't have to but need to press RTE relentlessly for more coverage of the most popular and important national sporting and cultural organisation.

rcarragh (Dublin) - Posts: 305 - 14/10/2014 21:14:57    1663755

Ormond they are there to serve the Irish market, and everyone within the GAA would cast an eye or ear over County Final Results. Remember these matches have bigger crowds than the soccer leagues in Ireland or the AIL etc so why are they to be ignored?

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 15/10/2014 10:05:45    1663817

On the subject of impartial and proportionate coverage of all sports the RTE Sport website is very revealing. Why is it that RTE's blanket coverage of rugby only seems to fall down when violent incidents are concerned. The 'choke tackle' which led to a Glasgow player losing consciousness made headline news across most media outlets. But not RTE. In a very long and detailed match report on the RTE website the incident received the following mention: 'The game was then held up for at least 10 minutes while Glasgow winger Mark Bennett received medical attention. Just after Bennett's departure on a stretcher Humphrey's missed a drop goal.' That's it. Another example of RTE's Three Monkey rugby coverage. See no evil. Hear no evil. Speak no evil.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 15/10/2014 12:15:22    1663880

Mediaman, rcarragh, thanks for bringing that incident to my attention, I was watching the rugby league final at the time which has since got endless coverage for a very violent incident. However what happened with the glasgow player appears to have been even worse, yet amazingly almost no media report at all. The Ulster player has now been banned for 3 games, which seems very lenient. The image of the victim collapsed in the heap of bodies was fairly grim. It's incredible RTE did not consider the citing of the ulster player worth a mention, I presume they will report the ban at least. All this RTE talk aside, to choke a player until he loses consciousness is a disgusting act.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 15/10/2014 16:12:56    1663994

Not a mention of the suspension handed down for the Ulster rugby player on RTE Radio 1 news this evening, I would have thought on a relatively quiet Wednesday it would be a big enough story to justify including.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 15/10/2014 20:02:24    1664102

15/10/2014 20:02:24
Soma
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Not a mention of the suspension handed down for the Ulster rugby player on RTE Radio 1 news this evening, I would have thought on a relatively quiet Wednesday it would be a big enough story to justify including.

or not on front page of the rags

HandyMoran (Roscommon) - Posts: 327 - 15/10/2014 20:07:38    1664104

This 'choke tackle' incident goes to the nub of what this thread is about, the perception that RTE favours some sports over others. The RTE report of the original 'choke tackle' incident and the subsequent ban gave absolutely no hint of the real seriousness of what happened in Ravenhill. The RTE language was bland and unemotional unlike their report on violence in the Armagh Cavan game in this year's USFC which was full of emotional language such as 'violent scenes', 'brawl', 'marred', 'fighting', player 'pictured in a sling'. Any journalist worth his salt knows how to do this. You just throw in reams of negative words and the reader reacts accordingly. RTE simply don't do this in their rugby reports as the Ulster game proves. They never once used the term 'choke tackle', which was first used by the Glasgow coach. RTE needs to be challenged on these not so subtle attempts to imply that one sport is superior to another. This is not accidental.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 15/10/2014 20:10:05    1664106

If the GAA wants to stop being associated with violence maybe the best to do would be to clamp down on violence.
Im a GAA man first and foremost but some of the stuff happening in our games is disgraceful and it is a bigger problem in our sports than it is in other sports.
Im all for a bit of shoulder barging and jostling, Id hate to see our sport go down the soccer route where opponents hug and high five and laugh amongst eachother during games, but some of the stuff that goes on in club games is appalling.
I was recently talking to a guy who told me about a brawl breaking out at an under 13 match here in galway (I wont name the clubs). Do you think any action was taken?
Horrible stuff.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 15/10/2014 20:23:44    1664112

maybe you should look into various sources joncarter before condemning..there is some unsavoury incidents in gaa matches around the country however they are a very small minority...no need to get on a high horse about fights..they can happen..once supporters are not involved and kept off the field of play then its the refs job to deal with it

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 15/10/2014 20:40:53    1664124

But supporters DO get involved, and yes, fights happen , but nothing ever seems to be done about it. Thats what im complaining about.
Never mind the "high horse" stuff. Just because Im condemning violence doesnt mean Im acting all high and mighty. It is a perfectly reasonable stance to take.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 15/10/2014 20:52:23    1664131

look at the massive ban the kerry fella involved with galvin got recently?..why are you ignoring that?..why are you always looking to be so negative?..of course they happen as they do in all sports and there should be punishments for doing so...the gaa isnt associated with violence but what is unfair is violence in 1 sport being blown out of proportion and being ignored in another sport..the obvious example being the tyrone kerry junior match which featured heavily on the late late show, prime time, the news and on joe duffy

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 15/10/2014 21:07:06    1664137

supporters get involved a very small minority of times and as recently as the kerry county hurling final have been punished..look at the evidence before rushing to condemn and be negative

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 15/10/2014 21:09:40    1664140

10/2014 21:50:04 ROS1
Turkeypluker i don't think i am asking to much for them to read out the results of a few county finals, why show highlights of Offaly
football final and completely ignore the football finals in Sligo and Cavan. Ormond 26 games? i am surprised that such a rugby man would not know that the 4 provinces play between 22-24 league teams a season. Sky only show 14 games a season plenty of other games bar that, for example why did the not bid for the Saturday night league games. There are more people employed in horse sports then rugby so rugby is not the number 1 professional sport in Ireland. There is a international element in gaa the international rules but Rte pulled out of showing any of that, like the have pulled out of showing any of the minor championship and do not show any of the international shinty matches. Ormond you are forgetting the ail games the will show and would not be surprised if the show do other rugby games this season. You also miss the point of the job of an editor. The will still show twice as many rugby games as either football or hurling despite rugby been a smaller sport then either and give rugby massive coverage on there sport news, sport programmes and in general programming, for example has a lady footballer ever been interviewed on a chat show in Ireland Sky only wanted to show the number they are and they wouldn't have been let show any more than that
Rugby is the main team sport that is professional
RTE haven't pulled out of showing minor games. I thought it was a decision by the GAA etc to move games which are covered as gaeilge on the irish language channel
RTE may show 2/3 AIL games at most.
Rugby has a professional element which helps it get a lot of coverage. It also doesn't deride its competitions like so many in GAA do with the national league
If you and so many here have such concerns about RTE why don't ye do something as complaining will change nothing
14/10/2014 10:18:22
Tacaí Liatroma
Because in the past, they've announced the results of county finals, and now they're declining to do that and telling us to look at the website. That's why it's poor from them; they're taking shortcuts and supplying less information than they would have done in previous years. Sure, there's nothing wrong with them directing people to their website, but can you ever imagine RTE showing the goals from two of a Saturday's Premier League schedule of games and then saying "You can see the rest of the results on the RTE website"? Of course not (unless a soccerphobe takes control of RTE). That decision on saying results isn't a shortcut.

14/10/2014 21:14:57
rcarragh
RTE has been pretty much a one man rugby and, more recently (especially via their website) cricket PR machine. However, there is a report on the Irish Indo's website today (basically Leinster rubgy central) regarding an allegation of very serious foul play (even for rugby) from an Ulster rubgy player versus Glasgow. No sign of this on the RTE site yet (it's on the BBC and Irish Times) but there is a story about Andrew Trimble's toe injury in the same game. Now if there was an allegation that a GAA player left an opponent unconscious for 10 minutes with an illegal tackle not only would it be headline news but there'd be a news flash as well.

The GAA shouldn't have to but need to press RTE relentlessly for more coverage of the most popular and important national sporting and cultural organisation.
RTE has never been a pr machine for any sport as for your claims about the indo hahaha

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 15/10/2014 21:36:50    1664155

15/10/2014 10:05:45
witnof
Ormond they are there to serve the Irish market, and everyone within the GAA would cast an eye or ear over County Final Results. Remember these matches have bigger crowds than the soccer leagues in Ireland or the AIL etc so why are they to be ignored? Bit much to say everyone within the GAA would cast an eye out for county final results. That's not the truth.
Soccer leagues and AIL are very different and are all Ireland competitions and the coverage of both is not exactly huge now is it?
v little of AIL shown in a season
15/10/2014 12:15:22
mediaman
On the subject of impartial and proportionate coverage of all sports the RTE Sport website is very revealing. Why is it that RTE's blanket coverage of rugby only seems to fall down when violent incidents are concerned. The 'choke tackle' which led to a Glasgow player losing consciousness made headline news across most media outlets. But not RTE. In a very long and detailed match report on the RTE website the incident received the following mention: 'The game was then held up for at least 10 minutes while Glasgow winger Mark Bennett received medical attention. Just after Bennett's departure on a stretcher Humphrey's missed a drop goal.' That's it. Another example of RTE's Three Monkey rugby coverage. See no evil. Hear no evil. Speak no evil. a choke tackle is just the creation of a maul from open play, the player wasn't choked

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 15/10/2014 21:39:47    1664158