ormond
The coverage of Irish Womens rugby team is fine and isn't disproportionate as its coverage has increased as the success of the side has went on. Yes the coverage is more than other ladies sports but I ask you yet again where are all those in other sports calling for more coverage? Where are the lobbyists making calls?
Yes those head of sports have been primarily rugby journalists but that doesn't indicate or mean there has been a bias towards rugby. If there was a bias towards rugby then why are RTE cutting down their coverage of rugby this season?
29/08/2014 20:45:05
Greengrass
Two words Ormond, b******t and Sky. Do you not have the capacity to argue and debate using more than that. That isn't bullshit actually. How is it?
Try answer this time. Where are those in the GAA and FAI etc calling for more coverage of ladies soccer, women's gaelic and camogie? Where are the GAA journalists and why no calls on them to go to games?
What about sky?
ormond
Don't be such a **** knocking the women's side. They didn't win a tournament but were breaking barriers both for themselves and rugby in general. Our ladies rugby team did have to do it to get coverage and they did enough in the media and elsewhere and got the coverage they deserved.
Yet again I ask where are the FAI in all this? Why are they not doing enough to market and publicise their female sports teams? IRFU are doing it fairly well.
29/08/2014 20:47:16 Greengrass
Not one word in your reply about Katy Taylor. Enough saidWhat do you want me to say about Katie Taylor. Yes the coverage she gets is nothing on what she deserves but where are all those calling for her to get more coverage? She does deserve more coverage
ormond
Mod you have an intense bias towards rugby and while im biased in favour of rugby I will admit some things are bad like tony ward, gavin cummiskeys over the top coverage of schools rugby etc
29/08/2014 20:50:08
Greengrass
Ormond what's wrong with Tony Ward ? A class act who has been there, done that and is passionate about his sport. Gavin Cummiskey is only doing as he is told. What's wrong with Tony Ward is his ridiculous fascination with the old boys club of rugby. He continuously spends games that he commentates on mentioning the schools professional players attended when mentioning them has absolutely no relevance to the game he was covering. This is even more the case when he commentates on under 20 games when his lack of knowledge on what a player is currently playing and where they're currently playing but he spends ages talking on the schools cup. A good competition of decent standard but gets a ridiculous level of media attention

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/08/2014 21:20:16    1644391

Ormo
Haha symptomatic of whats wrong with Irish Society. tripartite giants of the Church, GAA and Fianna Fail had plenty to do with whats wrong
Your going to have to explain that one Ormo because it's quiet the statement to make. In what way have the biggest sporting organisation in the country, one of the most successful amateur sporting organisations in the world, contributed to whatever you consider wrong with Ireland?
And while you make a good point about Katie Taylor not getting near as much coverage of her achievements on our national station as she deserves, I have to ask why you believe you know better than the schedulers on this and why you don't email RTE about it instead of whinging and crying on here, as this is the standard response to all such good points in this thread so far.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 30/08/2014 10:19:41    1644462

Do you not have the capacity to argue and debate using more than that. That isn't bullshit actually. How is it?
Try answer this time. Where are those in the GAA and FAI etc calling for more coverage of ladies soccer, women's gaelic and camogie? Where are the GAA journalists and why no calls on them to go to games?
What about sky?

Spare me the sanctimony Ormond. I've been arguing long enough with you. What you have to say about wholly unbalanced coverage by a national broadcaster with a public service remit is wrong.

What do you want me to say about Katie Taylor. Yes the coverage she gets is nothing on what she deserves but where are all those calling for her to get more coverage? She does deserve more coverage

We'll agree on that Ormond and the fact that RTE wilfully ignore her is a damning indictment of them.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6185 - 30/08/2014 11:13:50    1644477

RTE... more Irish than the Irish themselves! They fancy themselves as sophisticats pandering to bloggers and planks. I still refuse to be coerced into getting Sky...

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 30/08/2014 11:29:24    1644482

Ormond what's wrong with Tony Ward ? A class act who has been there, done that and is passionate about his sport. Gavin Cummiskey is only doing as he is told. What's wrong with Tony Ward is his ridiculous fascination with the old boys club of rugby. He continuously spends games that he commentates on mentioning the schools professional players attended when mentioning them has absolutely no relevance to the game he was covering. This is even more the case when he commentates on under 20 games when his lack of knowledge on what a player is currently playing and where they're currently playing but he spends ages talking on the schools cup. A good competition of decent standard but gets a ridiculous level of media attention

Looks like someone is still bitter they didn't get to play schools cup rugby. It's the bedrock of rugby in Ireland , of course commentators mention schools - most top players go from schools to the academies. It's same as GAA commentator mentioning a players club.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4660 - 30/08/2014 11:34:42    1644485

Ormond
Haha symptomatic of whats wrong with Irish Society. tripartite giants of the Church, GAA and Fianna Fail had plenty to do with whats wrong

30/08/2014 10:19:41 Soma
Your going to have to explain that one Ormo because it's quiet the statement to make. In what way have the biggest sporting organisation in the country, one of the most successful amateur sporting organisations in the world, contributed to whatever you consider wrong with Ireland?
And while you make a good point about Katie Taylor not getting near as much coverage of her achievements on our national station as she deserves, I have to ask why you believe you know better than the schedulers on this and why you don't email RTE about it instead of whinging and crying on here, as this is the standard response to all such good points in this thread so far. Soma why wont you just say Ormond. Church, Fianna Fail and GAA are three pillars of the Irish Free State and they have dominated so much in irish society etc they have much to do with its faults and while at same time they have some to do with the good in the country...
The GAA have played a huge role along with the other tripartite members played a massive role in Irelands conservative nature in government and at executive level
ormond
Do you not have the capacity to argue and debate using more than that. That isn't bullshit actually. How is it?
Try answer this time. Where are those in the GAA and FAI etc calling for more coverage of ladies soccer, women's gaelic and camogie? Where are the GAA journalists and why no calls on them to go to games?
What about sky?
greengrass
Spare me the sanctimony Ormond. I've been arguing long enough with you. What you have to say about wholly unbalanced coverage by a national broadcaster with a public service remit is wrongGAA gets plenty of coverage. Yet again you have not answered the question I asked. Where are those in GAA, FAI making calls for more coverage of ladies football, ladies soccer and camogie? The coverage isn't wholly unbalanced. If it was why then would RTE in the main show so few rugby games and are completely cutting down on the rugby they are showing. Rugby is the premier professional sport in Ireland so of course will dominate airwaves
ormond
What do you want me to say about Katie Taylor. Yes the coverage she gets is nothing on what she deserves but where are all those calling for her to get more coverage? She does deserve more coverage
greengrass
agree on that Ormond and the fact that RTE wilfully ignore her is a damning indictment of themyes it is. It isn't just RTE to be fair, its the general public and everyone who doesn't give her the respect her talent in several sports deserves

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 30/08/2014 12:23:12    1644504

First 4 pages of Irish Times sport given to GAA as well as Keith Duggan on the back page. I thought they didn't give GAA any coverage??

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4660 - 30/08/2014 12:55:44    1644510

bad.monkey
County: USA
Posts: 3876

1644510 First 4 pages of Irish Times sport given to GAA as well as Keith Duggan on the back page. I thought they didn't give GAA any coverage??


Nobody said that. The Irish Times is well known to favour rugby. 4 pages of GAA coverage. What's seldom seen is wonderful.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6185 - 30/08/2014 13:19:36    1644521

GAA gets plenty of coverage. Yet again you have not answered the question I asked. Where are those in GAA, FAI making calls for more coverage of ladies football, ladies soccer and camogie? The coverage isn't wholly unbalanced. If it was why then would RTE in the main show so few rugby games and are completely cutting down on the rugby they are showing. Rugby is the premier professional sport in Ireland so of course will dominate airwaves

That question has been answered several times for you Ormond. RTE have lost games to Sky and BT. Rugby is the fourth field sport in the country. At least we can agree on Katy Taylor but I do think you're being a little harsh on the general public. Are you anywhere near Limerick ? What's the weather like ? No cover over 3/4 of the ground.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6185 - 30/08/2014 13:26:21    1644526

It was the first three pages last week, it could be argued they are biased towards the GAA !! Where is the soccer coverage, the most played sport in Ireland??? Or perhaps they give coverage depending on the time of year and what major tournaments are on, as has been repeated denied by the tin hat bridge on HS

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4660 - 30/08/2014 13:52:29    1644536

Read it over a prolonged period of time . You'll get the message .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6185 - 30/08/2014 14:16:18    1644541

Soccer isn't the most played sport in Ireland. Walking is. And it's taken about as seriously by its practitioners

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1055 - 30/08/2014 14:42:52    1644550

Ormond, I guarantee you that if RTE could afford it, they would show wall to wall heineken cup/premier league coverage.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 30/08/2014 15:09:48    1644557

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Church, Fianna Fail and GAA are three pillars of the Irish Free State and they have dominated so much in irish society etc they have much to do with its faults and while at same time they have some to do with the good in the country...
The GAA have played a huge role along with the other tripartite members played a massive role in Irelands conservative nature in government and at executive level

How did the GAA ,specifically, play a massive role in fostering the conservative nature of Irish government?

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 30/08/2014 15:44:22    1644567

Jesus Ormond . Now look what you have started . This thread will run and run .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6185 - 30/08/2014 15:55:02    1644571

Greengrass
County: Louth
Posts: 3277

1644571
Jesus Ormond . Now look what you have started . This thread will run and run .

Ha! Fair enough, I rescind my last question, put lid back on can of worms

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 30/08/2014 16:16:58    1644579

ormond
GAA gets plenty of coverage. Yet again you have not answered the question I asked. Where are those in GAA, FAI making calls for more coverage of ladies football, ladies soccer and camogie? The coverage isn't wholly unbalanced. If it was why then would RTE in the main show so few rugby games and are completely cutting down on the rugby they are showing. Rugby is the premier professional sport in Ireland so of course will dominate airwaves
30/08/2014 13:26:21 Greengrass
That question has been answered several times for you Ormond. RTE have lost games to Sky and BT. Rugby is the fourth field sport in the country. At least we can agree on Katy Taylor but I do think you're being a little harsh on the general public. Are you anywhere near Limerick ? What's the weather like ? No cover over 3/4 of the ground. RTE have lost no rugby games to BT.
Rugby is the fourth sport but its the premier professional sport in the country which plays a monumental role in helping it get the coverage it does for so much of the year
How am I harsh on the general public?
I was actually in Limerick for a rugby game and am just back.. weather as you can see was grand
30/08/2014 15:09:48 joncarter
Ormond, I guarantee you that if RTE could afford it, they would show wall to wall heineken cup/premier league coverage. Well they are huge earners and can make more money for RTE than other events with them being multi-national competitions

30/08/2014 15:44:22 Marlon_JD
How did the GAA ,specifically, play a massive role in fostering the conservative nature of Irish government? Phrased wrong. Apologies.
GAA played a massive role in fostering conservative nature of irish people and as a result the government

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 30/08/2014 17:42:20    1644592

How did the GAA foster the conservative nature of the Irish people? The GAA played a huge role in bringing communities together. Surely rugby schools in Dublin played a role in fostering the elitist nature of many Irish people.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 30/08/2014 17:46:25    1644600

Forget RTE lads; yet again SKY coverage is 2nd to none.

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 30/08/2014 17:47:38    1644601

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
How did the GAA ,specifically, play a massive role in fostering the conservative nature of Irish government? Phrased wrong. Apologies.
GAA played a massive role in fostering conservative nature of irish people and as a result the government

Hmmm, I still don't think thats really true. The whole country, and the membership of its organisations including the GAA, were influenced by the Church for much of our modern history. But the GAA wasn't the motive force in fostering the kind of conservatism we previously had to endure, it was a victim of that influence like everyone/thing else.
In any case, we're probably straying off point.

Does anyone think there's a market there for a publicly funded Irish sports station? It seems like the only thing that can cater to th tastes of all concerned, while freeing up the main Irish terrestrial stations to show more programing thats not sports oriented.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 30/08/2014 18:01:14    1644615