ormond
Are you an expert in what should and should not be shown on tv thesedays? Im sure the producers etc know much more than you or I and felt what they showed was right in terms of time allocated to each.


its not rocket science
how many viewers will rerun of something most of the country never heard of get
in comparison to an all ireland semi final in a novel venue

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/08/2014 16:19:49    1643608

ormond

there is a significant portion of the country dont want water metres
and had marches you name it but they are still going ahead
so a few emails off hs posters to the government run station and you think they will take note

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/08/2014 16:22:05    1643611

28/08/2014 13:27:04
Greengrass
Finally Ormond we are told it was down to The IRFU lobbying. What exactly did they do ? And what does it say about a national broadcaster with a public service remit being amenable to what I presume was lobbying on the part of one particular group of female players. This disproportionate coverage is at the expense of all other female sports people including one of the top two female sports people ever to have represented the country. When you hear Katy Taylor publicly asking what she has to do to have her fights covered live then you know what you are up against. Given that she has now gone public can we expect more coverage for our greatest female sports person or is it just the pleas of The IRFU which get a response in Montrose ? To say coverage is dictated by representations from organisations is not good enough. RTE ignore ladies soccer and it is shameful. There is a bias in the organisation towards rugby. That is beyond doubt. Given what you assert can you outline for us what The IRFU actually did please. There was twitter campaigns, petitions etc
It says quite a lot of good about RTE, a broadcaster with public service remit, that they listened to will and desires of significant number of people that lobbied for coverage
The coverage women's rugby gets isn't at the expense of other female sports people. They only recently got some coverage and were never mentioned before then so they are not getting coverage at expense of other sports.
RTE were not dictated to by the IRFU.
Again I ask where are the FAI and the top soccer personalities in the country calling for more coverage of ladies soccer? Answer that as you have yet again ignored that question
28/08/2014 14:33:58fabio8
'intense social media' campaign greengrass..4-5 tweets probably or something like that...katie taylor only interests rte when the rugby isnt on Cope on with yourself, there was 000s of tweets and petitions online etc
As for your last sentence re KT now we know you're definitely on the Wind up
28/08/2014 16:02:17 Greengrass
Lol Fabio. Katie Taylor only interests RTE at The Olympics when other broadcasters supply the footage. You actually believe that hahahahahahaha

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 28/08/2014 16:29:03    1643615

well i havent seen any of her fights on outside the olympics?..why is that despite her calling for it?..if it was such a huge campaign then show me examples of it?..show us how big it was?..surely we would have heard about it no?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 28/08/2014 19:46:03    1643708

28/08/2014 16:19:49 hill16no1man
ormond Are you an expert in what should and should not be shown on tv thesedays? Im sure the producers etc know much more than you or I and felt what they showed was right in terms of time allocated to each.
its not rocket science
how many viewers will rerun of something most of the country never heard of get
in comparison to an all ireland semi final in a novel venueIm not and never said that i was. Yet again you're implying something of me that im not
so that's why the complaining about scheduling from you is mute. They know better. They still showed the game and gave it analysis prior and after the gam....
28/08/2014 16:22:05 hill16no1man
Ormond there is a significant portion of the country dont want water metres and had marches you name it but they are still going ahead
so a few emails off hs posters to the government run station and you think they will take note You cant compare these are they are completely different and the meaning behind each is completely different

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/08/2014 11:43:54    1643963

28/08/2014 16:19:49 hill16no1man
ormond Are you an expert in what should and should not be shown on tv thesedays? Im sure the producers etc know much more than you or I and felt what they showed was right in terms of time allocated to each.
its not rocket science
how many viewers will rerun of something most of the country never heard of get
in comparison to an all ireland semi final in a novel venueIm not and never said that i was. Yet again you're implying something of me that im not
so that's why the complaining about scheduling from you is mute. They know better. They still showed the game and gave it analysis prior and after the gam....
28/08/2014 16:22:05 hill16no1man
Ormond there is a significant portion of the country dont want water metres and had marches you name it but they are still going ahead
so a few emails off hs posters to the government run station and you think they will take note You cant compare these are they are completely different and the meaning behind each is completely different

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/08/2014 11:43:54    1643964

There was twitter campaigns, petitions etc
It says quite a lot of good about RTE, a broadcaster with public service remit, that they listened to will and desires of significant number of people that lobbied for coverage
The coverage women's rugby gets isn't at the expense of other female sports people. They only recently got some coverage and were never mentioned before then so they are not getting coverage at expense of other sports.
RTE were not dictated to by the IRFU.
Again I ask where are the FAI and the top soccer personalities in the country calling for more coverage of ladies soccer? Answer that as you have yet again ignored that question

Ormond a few facts for you. Ryall Nugent is Head of Sport at RTE. He is a rugby broadcaster and journalist. He was preceded as Head of Sport at RTE by Niall Cogley. Niall Cogley was preceded as Head of Sport at RTE by his father Fred Cogley who was also a rugby broadcaster and journalist. Are you starting to see the trend. A twitter campaign with hundreds of tweets is the reason for the hugely disproportionate coverage of the Irish ladies rugby team ?? Do me a favour. The coverage afforded to them which amounted to eight games broadcast live and in full on the national station over a period of a year is way above and beyond any other ladies sport. If RTE are so interested in Katie Taylor why did they not broadcast a single second of her recent victorious campaign at the European championships ? Unlike the ladies rugby team she actually won a tournament this year.Why does she feel it necessary to publicly ask what she needs to do to have her fights covered by our national broadcaster ? Our ladies rugby team don't need to do that because they are given blanket coverage. Eight of their last ten Six Nations fixtures have been broadcast live and in full either on tv or radio by RTE. That is not down to hundreds of tweets. It's down to bias. A broadcaster to get a fair crack of the whip. That is the professional responsibility of the staff at RTE Sports. To ignore Katy Taylor and our ladies soccer team whilst at the same providing live and uninterrupted coverage of eight Six Nations ladies games over the last two seasons is wholly unjustifiable. Even you have to admit that.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6185 - 29/08/2014 13:40:54    1644093

Apologies Ormond. I meant to say a national broadcaster should not have to be lobbied by sports personalities or journalists to give female sports people a fair crack of the whip when it comes to sports broadcasting their sports.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6185 - 29/08/2014 14:00:58    1644123

Re Greengrass the problem in fairness is probably not Ryle Nugent and his meteoric rise to the top, it is those with the decision making power who put him and his predecessors there. It is unfortunately symptomatic of much that is wrong with Irish Society

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 29/08/2014 16:10:04    1644212

Re Greengrass the problem in fairness is probably not Ryle Nugent and his meteoric rise to the top, it is those with the decision making power who put him and his predecessors there. It is unfortunately symptomatic of much that is wrong with Irish Society

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 29/08/2014 16:10:45    1644213

ormond
Im not and never said that i was. Yet again you're implying something of me that im not
so that's why the complaining about scheduling from you is mute. They know better. They still showed the game and gave it analysis prior and after the gam....

you took that whole post wrong
as i posted what you wrote to me asking me was i an expert
my response was after all that.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/08/2014 18:01:35    1644291

ormond
You cant compare these are they are completely different and the meaning behind each is completely different

exactly if they didnt get anywhere with such a serious matter after all the public outcry then you hardly expect them to
give a toss about an email

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/08/2014 18:02:52    1644292

Greengrass
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Apologies Ormond. I meant to say a national broadcaster should not have to be lobbied by sports personalities or journalists to give female sports people a fair crack of the whip when it comes to sports broadcasting their sports.

Fully agree, they should not be influenced by those with clear vested interests

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4660 - 29/08/2014 18:29:00    1644303

You might also want to consider that GAA people are less tech savy than Rugby people for example. That is due to the fact a large portion of GAA fans are country people and Rugby's stronghold would be the posh south Dublin.

You are much more likely to succeed with a Rugby campaign on Titter than one for the GAA. Either way RTE should be putting in a big bid to show the league on our national TV. They won't do this however despite being able to afford it. Funny thing is if they could get Rugby matches for the same price as the GAA league would cost them they would.

They just announced a 78 mach deal with the FAI. SO that's the soccer looked after and good to see it from a domestic point of view. All they need now is to sort out their GAA and woman's GAA and soccer.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 29/08/2014 18:50:12    1644315

Big deal announced between RTE and FAI , opps...seems to fly in the face of a lot of the claims being made here

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4660 - 29/08/2014 19:14:11    1644324

29/08/2014 13:40:54 Greengrass
Ormond a few facts for you. Ryall Nugent is Head of Sport at RTE. He is a rugby broadcaster and journalist. He was preceded as Head of Sport at RTE by Niall Cogley. Niall Cogley was preceded as Head of Sport at RTE by his father Fred Cogley who was also a rugby broadcaster and journalist. Are you starting to see the trend. A twitter campaign with hundreds of tweets is the reason for the hugely disproportionate coverage of the Irish ladies rugby team ?? Do me a favour. The coverage afforded to them which amounted to eight games broadcast live and in full on the national station over a period of a year is way above and beyond any other ladies sport. If RTE are so interested in Katie Taylor why did they not broadcast a single second of her recent victorious campaign at the European championships?The coverage of Irish Womens rugby team is fine and isn't disproportionate as its coverage has increased as the success of the side has went on. Yes the coverage is more than other ladies sports but I ask you yet again where are all those in other sports calling for more coverage? Where are the lobbyists making calls?
Yes those head of sports have been primarily rugby journalists but that doesn't indicate or mean there has been a bias towards rugby. If there was a bias towards rugby then why are RTE cutting down their coverage of rugby this season?
29/08/2014 13:40:54 Greengrass
Unlike the ladies rugby team she actually won a tournament this year.Why does she feel it necessary to publicly ask what she needs to do to have her fights covered by our national broadcaster ? Our ladies rugby team don't need to do that because they are given blanket coverage. Eight of their last ten Six Nations fixtures have been broadcast live and in full either on tv or radio by RTE. That is not down to hundreds of tweets. It's down to bias. A broadcaster to get a fair crack of the whip. That is the professional responsibility of the staff at RTE Sports. To ignore Katy Taylor and our ladies soccer team whilst at the same providing live and uninterrupted coverage of eight Six Nations ladies games over the last two seasons is wholly unjustifiable. Even you have to admit that. Don't be such a **** knocking the women's side. They didn't win a tournament but were breaking barriers both for themselves and rugby in general. Our ladies rugby team did have to do it to get coverage and they did enough in the media and elsewhere and got the coverage they deserved.
Yet again I ask where are the FAI in all this? Why are they not doing enough to market and publicise their female sports teams? IRFU are doing it fairly well.
29/08/2014 14:00:58 Greengrass
Apologies Ormond. I meant to say a national broadcaster should not have to be lobbied by sports personalities or journalists to give female sports people a fair crack of the whip when it comes to sports broadcasting their sports.But that's the case in most countries. Female sports get nothing of the coverage male sports do and have to jump fences to get any level of coverage
29/08/2014 16:10:04 mod
Re Greengrass the problem in fairness is probably not Ryle Nugent and his meteoric rise to the top, it is those with the decision making power who put him and his predecessors there. It is unfortunately symptomatic of much that is wrong with Irish Society Haha symptomatic of whats wrong with Irish Society. tripartite giants of the Church, GAA and Fianna Fail had plenty to do with whats wrong as much as anything else
"Meteoric rise to the top". Wasn't really. 15 years isn't that much of a meteoric rise

Mod you have an intense bias towards rugby and while im biased in favour of rugby I will admit some things are bad like tony ward, gavin cummiskeys over the top coverage of schools rugby etc

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/08/2014 19:31:03    1644337

29/08/2014 18:50:12 Jack_Goff
You might also want to consider that GAA people are less tech savy than Rugby people for example. That is due to the fact a large portion of GAA fans are country people and Rugby's stronghold would be the posh south Dublin.
You are much more likely to succeed with a Rugby campaign on Titter than one for the GAA. Either way RTE should be putting in a big bid to show the league on our national TV. They won't do this however despite being able to afford it. Funny thing is if they could get Rugby matches for the same price as the GAA league would cost them they would.
They just announced a 78 mach deal with the FAI. SO that's the soccer looked after and good to see it from a domestic point of view. All they need now is to sort out their GAA and woman's GAA and soccer. One of Rugby's strong hold's is South Dublin. Limerick, parts of Belfast etc etc all other major area's of strength for rugby
Are those generalisations really true?
Are "rugby people" really more in tune and tech savvy than "GAA people"?
What do you want from RTE in terms of coverage of GAA and woman's GAA and soccer?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/08/2014 20:39:36    1644362

The coverage of Irish Womens rugby team is fine and isn't disproportionate as its coverage has increased as the success of the side has went on. Yes the coverage is more than other ladies sports but I ask you yet again where are all those in other sports calling for more coverage? Where are the lobbyists making calls?
Yes those head of sports have been primarily rugby journalists but that doesn't indicate or mean there has been a bias towards rugby. If there was a bias towards rugby then why are RTE cutting down their coverage of rugby this season?

Two words Ormond, b******t and Sky.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6185 - 29/08/2014 20:45:05    1644365

Don't be such a **** knocking the women's side. They didn't win a tournament but were breaking barriers both for themselves and rugby in general. Our ladies rugby team did have to do it to get coverage and they did enough in the media and elsewhere and got the coverage they deserved.
Yet again I ask where are the FAI in all this? Why are they not doing enough to market and publicise their female sports teams? IRFU are doing it fairly well.

Not one word in your reply about Katy Taylor. Enough said.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6185 - 29/08/2014 20:47:16    1644369

Mod you have an intense bias towards rugby and while im biased in favour of rugby I will admit some things are bad like tony ward, gavin cummiskeys over the top coverage of schools rugby etc

Ormond what's wrong with Tony Ward ? A class act who has been there, done that and is passionate about his sport. Gavin Cummiskey is only doing as he is told.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6185 - 29/08/2014 20:50:08    1644372