Meath will have to look at themselves tactically if they are going to do anything this year. They went out like sheep to the slaughter v dublin and got exactly what they set up for. If they are going to beat armagh, they will have to play to their strengths as well as counter the strengths of armagh. Not sure if they have the concentration to do this. Armagh should get a crack at us on the 9th of Aug, and that will be 100% on the day.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3846 - 23/07/2014 15:58:30    1624858

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Meath to win. Armagh are no great shakes, a lot of wayward shooting from Ros and a speculative long ball and a very fortunate goal for Armagh swung this game. Armagh gave away a lot more frees than Ros and I think Meath will make better use of their frees than Ros did. Quicker, direct ball into the full forward line caused Armagh defence problems but Ros didn't deploy this enough/on time. I don't think Armagh are ahead of Meath at all. A win over a young Ros side who didn't have their shooting boots on and lacked the experience to be more flexible in their gameplay doesn't prove much for Armagh. They are a tough, organised Div 3 team where Meath and Ros are young, developing Div 2 teams who will have nothing to worry about with the likes of Armagh in the years ahead. Meath by 4+

I watched that game, and Roscommon were simply out fought. They lacked the muscle to seriously trouble Armagh, and their forward play in the first half was brutal.

With Kieran McGeeney already in the backroom team, developing things before he finally takes over from Paul Grimley, I don't see Armagh fading anytime soon. If anything, I reckon we are currently witnessing the start of their revival.

While I still expect a tight game, I think Armagh might just edge it.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3026 - 23/07/2014 16:30:04    1624878

Yes, a lot of the 19/20 year olds are a year or two short of the physicality to match the likes of Armagh and their inexperience going forward and adapting cost them.

McGeeney will only make them more physical....like Kildare. He hasn't done much as a manager other than that. He might get them exceptionally fit and physical but that's where his contribution ends. As for this game, Meath will be more physical and direct than Ros and I think that will be enough to get them past Armagh.

bangedupabroad (Roscommon) - Posts: 126 - 23/07/2014 17:15:44    1624907

Armagh to win this.

Whatever else they migtht lack, it isn't stomach for a scrap & that alone will get them past Roscommon.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 23/07/2014 17:17:06    1624908

You're a week late there Muckrosshead! :-p

bangedupabroad (Roscommon) - Posts: 126 - 23/07/2014 17:21:37    1624912

Sorry, that should say Meath not Roscommon.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 23/07/2014 17:22:49    1624913

bangedupabroad yous are only sour your Godlike under 21's were made look like boys. They're great men hammering Leitrim U-21's off the field in Carrick but last Saturday they met their match.
We'll give Meath lots of it and are well capable of winning.

Dessie_Cross (Armagh) - Posts: 145 - 23/07/2014 18:18:38    1624942

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Armagh to win this.

Whatever else they migtht lack, it isn't stomach for a scrap & that alone will get them past Roscommon.

Great analysis there, surely the Democrat should be offering you a job up there.......

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3746 - 23/07/2014 18:19:21    1624943

he managed a lot more than that bangedupabroad..the rossies could do with him for instance...kildare aren't looking too good without him after being consistently a good side for the majority of his reign with a limited group of players

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 23/07/2014 18:29:46    1624951

Tough one to call. On form you would have to say Armagh but Meath are not as bad as they were on Sunday. Meath had a hugh win over Carlow and a great win over Kildare. Armagh had two good away wins over Tyrone and Roscommon. They have only met before once in the Championship and that was when Meath beat them in the all Ireland semi-final in 1999. The Royals just to shade it.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 23/07/2014 18:30:53    1624953

Tough one to call. On form you would have to say Armagh but Meath are not as bad as they were on Sunday. Meath had a hugh win over Carlow and a great win over Kildare. Armagh had two good away wins over Tyrone and Roscommon. They have only met before once in the Championship and that was when Meath beat them in the all Ireland semi-final in 1999. The Royals just to shade it.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 23/07/2014 18:35:41    1624957

They weren't made look like boys Dessie....they are boys (average age of 23)! Nice of you to call them Godlike though, they'll appreciate that. You think they met their match in Armagh?? I doubt it, they're better than that....give them another year or two. As for McGeeney....he made Kildare players fit and physical....wow!!!! Did they win anything with him?
Best of luck V Meath but I still think Meath will be 4+ points the better of ye.

bangedupabroad (Roscommon) - Posts: 126 - 23/07/2014 19:05:09    1624983

they managed to get to an all ireland quarter final numerous times and an all ireland semi...something roscommon would love to achieve with regularity...what have kildare every won?..where were they before he took over?..if you are going to make an argument on the merits of mcgeeney at least be realistic...they are in province with dublin so they are always going to be up against it..he turned them into a very good side..at the end of the day the players they had were not good enough and wouldn't be good enough to win an all ireland no matter who the manager is

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 23/07/2014 21:48:27    1625067

OK I take your word for it. I'm sure yous'll improve even more. I'll keep an eye on them as I'm around the North West regularly and from what I heard we were going to loose by 5 points to yous. Fortunatley for us it didn't happen.
Who cares what McGeeney done in Kildare. The man has a celtic cross in his back pocket with Armagh and thats enough proof for me.
We're not the finished article for sure but we're getting over the line and there's a pep back in our step. We're improving with every game and with Jamie up front we've always a chance. We've been underdogs all the way so let that continue.

Dessie_Cross (Armagh) - Posts: 145 - 23/07/2014 21:54:53    1625071

Ah dessie there plenty of Celtic crosses on the sideline for Meath. It makes little difference Jesus if it did with Giles alone we'd skate home.
Perfect match for Meath and the break should help us. Meath to actually play football. Dubs are a phenomenon and we performed below par too. So any improvement and Meath will advance.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/07/2014 08:39:24    1625083

I think the extra week preparation will do Meath the power of good more mentally than physically. Should be a tight decent game, Meath have a bit more Croke Park experience and will be looking to bounce back from the Dubs massacre - the Royals to shade it 3+

theobe (Meath) - Posts: 11 - 24/07/2014 08:39:52    1625084

I'm well aware of all the celtic crosses in Meath. A Roscommon man was saying McGeeney done nothing with Kildare. Thats a bit unfair. He was unlucky against Donegal in an epic replay. Almost got to the final against Down, some bad reffing, disallowed goal and a crossbar away from the final with the final free.
Anyway you could argue all day about McGeeneys merits. You could claim Armagh will win such a game but you will always be told no.
As Joe Kernan said we were great men when we won in 2002 but when we didn't disappear and stayed around no one was happy. And now that we're back (sort of) no one is happy again. And we're loving that.

Dessie_Cross (Armagh) - Posts: 145 - 24/07/2014 13:14:05    1625279

Dessie, I for one am delighted to see Armagh back and I'm certain McGeeney is and will be, a big part of that comeback. Armagh have come on hugely in the last 12 months.

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1722 - 24/07/2014 15:48:39    1625422

Dessie. Fair enough. My point is it will have no influence on this match how many all ire medals are on sidelines. Its about the players on the field and what tactics the sideline adopts.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/07/2014 16:04:07    1625430

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Armagh to win this.

Whatever else they migtht lack, it isn't stomach for a scrap & that alone will get them past Roscommon.

Great analysis there, surely the Democrat should be offering you a job up there.......

A tad on the short side all right richie,

The point is that Armagh will have seen how Meath folded in the face of Dublin's physicality & really didn't want to know. Physicality is Armagh's stock in trade & I reckon they will try to get at Meath from the get go.
If Meath face Armagh in the same way they faced Dublin they are toast. This has nothing to do with ability or classy forwards or anything like that, this is purely about who is top dog in the pound & Meath had better man up.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 24/07/2014 16:06:41    1625435