legendzxix
County: Kerry
Posts: 3280

1613381 The Dublin Region overcame the Munster finalists and Mayo last year. Just the way the draw has worked out this year that the Ulster finalists are likely to cross their path. Sure last year Mayo beat the Ulster runners-up and the Tyrone team that ended the Ulster champions challenge.

The Kerry region aren't bad either and will have a say in All Ireland. They even had the luxury to bring on lads All Irelands medals off the bench. Gouch injury will allow Donoghue/Geaney/O'Brien to prosper. Best corner forward in the country at the moment.

HandyMoran (Roscommon) - Posts: 327 - 06/07/2014 15:56:02    1614603

We're happy enough with today. It was an all division 1 final afterall so we're glad to come out the right side of it. Bit of a gap as always to the quarters. Our next opponent will be more match sharp.

Roscommon had a good league. Ye're next qualifier is an intriguing tie.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8834 - 06/07/2014 16:11:07    1614618

at this stage the top 8 teams left in the championship are dublin, kerry, mayo, tyrone, cork, donegal, monaghan and meath in that order. I fully expect those teams to make up the quarter finalists with provincial finalists galway to be dumped out in the 4th rd. Tyrone will emerge from the pot of death to set up a quarter final against the dubs or donegal

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 06/07/2014 19:11:32    1614735

4 weeks since the last post on this thread. The main contenders are all still there but listening to a lot of people discuss how great Dublin are(the majority not even from Dublin).

I decided to compare them against the last great team, which was Kerry.
To my astonishment, Dublin are nowhere near the great Kerry team of the last decade in the statistics department.
The great Kerry team participated in 6 All Ireland Finals on the trot and 9 in 12 years winning 5 All Irelands.
Until Dublin produce anything near this standard, i wish people would make up their own opinion and not just listen to the crap from the pundits and RTE studio about the standards at the top at present.

green and gold (Donegal) - Posts: 105 - 06/08/2014 14:46:40    1632484

This team is only starting Green and Gold. The majority under 28.
Give them time, they will get there.
They will

Stock up on lemons in the mean time, your gonna need them.

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 06/08/2014 15:16:43    1632498

green and gold
County: Donegal
Posts: 71

Kerry benefited greatly from the back door in that run

Also Dublin were quite a poor team at that stage

With only really Tyrone putting it up to Kerry over that time so the standard wasn't great

But without the back door Kerry would not have reached so many finals

I guess Dublin were decent in 2007 when we put it up to Kerry but that is where that particular team peaked

After that it was chaos for that team.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 06/08/2014 15:23:24    1632507

green and gold
County: Donegal
Posts: 72

1632484
4 weeks since the last post on this thread. The main contenders are all still there but listening to a lot of people discuss how great Dublin are(the majority not even from Dublin).

I decided to compare them against the last great team, which was Kerry.
To my astonishment, Dublin are nowhere near the great Kerry team of the last decade in the statistics department.
The great Kerry team participated in 6 All Ireland Finals on the trot and 9 in 12 years winning 5 All Irelands.
Until Dublin produce anything near this standard, i wish people would make up their own opinion and not just listen to the crap from the pundits and RTE studio about the standards at the top at present.


2014 will be our 5 s/f in a row,we will have 3 sams in 5 years,unbeaten in all finals something the kingdom failed to do they got off to a losing start

D5dub (Dublin) - Posts: 283 - 06/08/2014 21:53:39    1632725

Hoping Mayo win All Ireland but if any team win back to back All Irelands in the modern age it will be equivalent at least to winning 3 in a row back in the pre Backdoor era when a team like Kerry only had to play 3 competitive games to win an All Ireland. And if Dublin go on to win the All Ireland in 2015 (as I suspect they will) that will be an achievement to match a 4 in a row in previous times.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2022 - 07/08/2014 08:22:12    1632743

I'll repeat what I said in January Dublin this year are unbeatable IMO.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/08/2014 10:55:28    1632817

Dublin have won in Leinster which is pretty poor at the moment but the obstacles that lie ahead are formidable, really looking forward to the remaining games, hope Mayo can stay composed as it's there for the taking

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1740 - 07/08/2014 11:14:31    1632835

Dublin now 5/4 to win the all ireland this year and next year...unheard of to be that hot a favourite. We are in the age of Dubs domination and this age is going to get worst and not end any time soon. Dublin are 7/2 to win the senior, minor and under 21 all irelands...

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 07/08/2014 11:23:36    1632844

Suckvalleypaddy......

Leinster is not poor. Put Dublin in any other province and every team bar Mayo, Donegal, Cork and Kerry would be annihilated.

Monaghan fell over the line against a "poor" Kildare team!? Give me a break! If Leinster is as weak as you suggest Monaghan should have disposed of Kildare easily. Armagh made hard work of Meath, and Donegal would fancy playing Armagh as they know they are streets ahead of them!

All the provinces are of a similar standard except for the four aforementioned teams. Like Longford beat Derry for peats sake! And Derry were fancied more than Armagh before a ball was kicked in this years Championship.

In a way, Leinster teams are just unlucky to be in a phase in time where there is a strong county.

Swings and roundabouts!

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 07/08/2014 11:49:15    1632873

Were only concentrating on our next 21 games , so all that talk is crazy we should be them odds for the next 4 years.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 07/08/2014 12:00:49    1632886

4 weeks since the last post on this thread. The main contenders are all still there but listening to a lot of people discuss how great Dublin are(the majority not even from Dublin).

I decided to compare them against the last great team, which was Kerry.
To my astonishment, Dublin are nowhere near the great Kerry team of the last decade in the statistics department.
The great Kerry team participated in 6 All Ireland Finals on the trot and 9 in 12 years winning 5 All Irelands.
Until Dublin produce anything near this standard, i wish people would make up their own opinion and not just listen to the crap from the pundits and RTE studio about the standards at the top at present.

But that kerry team is consigned to history and the Dublin team is in the early part of their cycle so the comparison can't be done until the likes of MDMA, Cian Osullivan are retired.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 07/08/2014 12:05:59    1632891

Suckvalleypaddy......

Leinster is not poor. Put Dublin in any other province and every team bar Mayo, Donegal, Cork and Kerry would be annihilated.

Monaghan fell over the line against a "poor" Kildare team!? Give me a break! If Leinster is as weak as you suggest Monaghan should have disposed of Kildare easily. Armagh made hard work of Meath, and Donegal would fancy playing Armagh as they know they are streets ahead of them!

All the provinces are of a similar standard except for the four aforementioned teams. Like Longford beat Derry for peats sake! And Derry were fancied more than Armagh before a ball was kicked in this years Championship.

In a way, Leinster teams are just unlucky to be in a phase in time where there is a strong county.

Swings and roundabouts!

Spot on.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 07/08/2014 12:14:11    1632903

Kildare are a good side and have a great tradition in the qualifiers and Meath are emerging. I just think that the 12 counties of leinster as a whole are not as strong as in years gone by. Obviously Dublin would do well in the other provinces with that team. Enjoy the weekend.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1740 - 07/08/2014 13:20:39    1632940

Gaelic Football Formula

Leinster+Connacht,+Munster = 1 trick ponies

Q.E.D.

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1228 - 07/08/2014 14:09:28    1632968

If Monaghan don't take them Donegal will (although I hope I'm wrong because down here we are looking for vengeance for 2011 and 2013). IMO at this moment in time this Dublin side do not have the hunger to win back to back titles. Sure they look good in Leinster but when have they ever not since 2005?? Nullify Cluxton and run at them and they will struggle big time (a la Semi final last year). They have not been tested since the Kerry game last September; never mind beating the also rans out the gate in their own province, they are now potentially coming up against serious outfits like Donegal. Dubs won't see September, and I have a few bob on that!

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 07/08/2014 14:29:53    1632985

realman2
County: Kildare
Posts: 136
Suckvalleypaddy......
Leinster is not poor. Put Dublin in any other province and every team bar Mayo, Donegal, Cork and Kerry would be annihilated.
Monaghan fell over the line against a "poor" Kildare team!? Give me a break! If Leinster is as weak as you suggest Monaghan should have disposed of Kildare easily. Armagh made hard work of Meath, and Donegal would fancy playing Armagh as they know they are streets ahead of them!
All the provinces are of a similar standard except for the four aforementioned teams. Like Longford beat Derry for peats sake! And Derry were fancied more than Armagh before a ball was kicked in this year's Championship.
In a way, Leinster teams are just unlucky to be in a phase in time where there is a strong county.
Swings and roundabouts!
Spot on.

Realman….. I'm afraid suckvalleypaddy called it. Leinster is poor, very poor (save Dublin). Connacht has been poor with no challenge for Mayo in the last few years, Roscommon and Galway maybe moving in the right direction and will offer that challenge in the next few years. Munster has only the big two although Clare and Tipp raised a few eyebrows this year. Ulster remains the one province that remains difficult to call at the start of any season, even if Donegal won 3 of the last 4 titles. You rightly point out Derry were tipped by some but Derry (like Down) often flatter to deceive however either one of them could go out and beat Donegal on any day and then would fall to a lesser opposition. Remember Derry were close this year against Donegal and then did what they tend to do and roll over against a less fancied side. That has been the case for the last 20 years practically. Ulster is a notoriously competitive province. We love nothing more than to take our successful neighbours down a few pegs post their All Ireland success. The only time in recent history where a team won dominated the province after winning sam is Tyrone in 2009. It doesn't happen in any of the other three that I can see. Maybe you can enlighten me???

Remember more often than not an ulster side will keep a tight game on both sides, conceding little and scoring a little more. There are exceptions. Last Saturday, Monaghan had to abandon a lot of the normal tactics against Kildare due to the conditions and thus got stuck for a while against an average Kildare. I genuinely believe a dry, sunny day would have led us to comfortably win that fixture. Even at that, we still were the better team. As for Meath, they never looked like winning after 15 mins. I watched that very closely and their positioning was awful and they found it difficult to break through the Armagh rear-guard that was missing the talismanic Kieran McKeever. The facts speak for themselves. 3 Ulster teams in the QF's, the normal two from Munster, 2 from Connacht and the dubs. The rest of Leinster need to step things up to present a proper challenge, a few years ago it looked like that would happen. A Meath/Louth final broke the hoodoo....but no dynasty was born. Kildare look to have the making of a good team at the minute with plenty of youth, they are certainly physical. I think they can pose the dubs problems in the future.

I will retract all the above if Donegal and Dublin both win by 10+ points on Saturday….but I don't think I will need to ;)

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 07/08/2014 14:36:58    1632996

JayP
County: Dublin
Posts: 906

1632873 Suckvalleypaddy......

Leinster is not poor. Put Dublin in any other province and every team bar Mayo, Donegal, Cork and Kerry would be annihilated.

Monaghan fell over the line against a "poor" Kildare team!? Give me a break! If Leinster is as weak as you suggest Monaghan should have disposed of Kildare easily. Armagh made hard work of Meath, and Donegal would fancy playing Armagh as they know they are streets ahead of them!

All the provinces are of a similar standard except for the four aforementioned teams. Like Longford beat Derry for peats sake! And Derry were fancied more than Armagh before a ball was kicked in this years Championship.

In a way, Leinster teams are just unlucky to be in a phase in time where there is a strong county.

Swings and roundabouts!

Don't normally post regarding the strengths and weaknesses of one provence over another but I'll make an exception in the case of JayP's dillusional whinging. 11 counties contested the Leinster championship and only 1 made it to the AI QF stage. That is the cold hard fact any of this coulda woulda shoulda stuff is irrellevant.
Kildare couldn't beat a Monaghan team that played poorly by their own admission. Armagh beat Meath without getting out of second gear. Meath or Kildare wouldn't even make a provinsional final anywhere other than Leinster.
It's true to say that Dublin are way in Leinster but they'll need to be to win their next 3 games.

Cleatus (Donegal) - Posts: 125 - 07/08/2014 16:44:38    1633084