Gotmilk,

"So what marketing have sky done of the games. The launch of a small panel is all I can see. Making a shambles of names etc. I have to agree with Hill.

How many of you watch some of these sports on Sky such as speedway etc? I'd imagine very few so why would an average English man stop and watch a game of Hurling?"

And how has this small panel made a shambles of names etc.? Shur RTE does that!

I think that any genuine sports fan would be intrigued by hurling. But then, maybe I'm biased. I'd rather be that than have your negative attitude any day!

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 22/05/2014 11:55:43    1591784

Oh my god. 66% less opinions in studio. How will I survive without watching the pundits have a go at each other rather than talk about the game.
The Irish people will never accept a situation where analysts actually analyse games. Those crazy brits;D

jpcampion (Laois) - Posts: 194 - 22/05/2014 12:04:17    1591791

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macattack - first game is Kilkenny v Offaly on 7th June. Same as yourself, I had Premier Sports but got rid of it as it's coverage is terrible. Hoping Sky can do a good job.

You do realise Scruff that sky have 20 games a year. and that Premier Sports still has about 80. And for a faction of the cost of Sky. Seems strange to cancel Premier Sports which means you have to wait for til June 7th to watch a match on your television. Ever before Sky show a match there will have been 5 championship matches on Premier Sports including some very big Ulster championship games and Munster hurling championship games. Sky may have a few provincial games and with all respects to the counties they are showing, the main provincial championship are all still on Premier Sports. But again, the GAA have kept that bit of info very quiet....

mike03 (Limerick) - Posts: 2000 - 22/05/2014 12:44:37    1591821

mike03 - Premier sports may have the rights to the games but that does necessarily mean they are going to show them live. The final straw for me was a couple of years back when they showed deferred coverage of one of the all Ireland hurling semi finals to show a soccer match!!

I no doubt that the sky sports coverage will be better a hell of alot better than Premier sports! It was £10 a month for one channel, so hardly a fraction of the cost considering!

macattack (UK) - Posts: 584 - 22/05/2014 13:20:21    1591836

it seems people are obsessed with the fact sky are abig multinantional company
and this automatically means they can not be criticised and also that they will automatically be better then our own brodcasters
im pointing out an obvious reason to state that analysis will be wekaer by the fact they only have one analyst per match
your being asked to pay 39 euro a month for their package
one analyst is a lack of care for the sport
how can that be an improvement on covering our games?
how can this be an improvement on analysis like we have been told will happen?
the fact that it is essentialy tv3s production team analysts and commentators
how can people not get the clear fact that you are not getting any differance then what was on tv3 except paying 39 euro more
to see it, because its sky sports people seem so brainwashed that they wont look straight at the facts.
every newspaper has stated sky sports line up stellar and impressive gaa panel
but when tv3 took over there was no such talk of their panel being in the same hyped up fashion despite the fact they were the same guys only less of them

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/05/2014 13:23:50    1591839

hill16no1man

it seems people are obsessed with the fact sky are abig multinantional company

because its sky sports people seem so brainwashed that they wont look straight at the facts.

You need to relax hill, you're not our last line of defence against 'the evil Sky corporation' you know, some people just like the amount of channels and sports on offer and willing pay the monthly subscription. You're beginning to sound a bit like Jim Corr with all your conspiracy like criticism of Sky.

Here's the fact = Gaa WILL be on Skysports for at least 3 years, you can sing and dance about it all you want but that's the simple fact. If they do a bad job or it doesn't work out financially then the deal will most likely break down in 3 years time and I don't really care if that happens to be honest but anyway it's going to be on Sky for 3 years at least.........get over it.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 22/05/2014 14:46:42    1591888

htaem

Its not the fact that they get a few matches
its the assumption and the branding that they were going to change analaysis and coverage of GAA
and it came from posters on here
yet I think even the dogs in the street can dmit its been very poor stuff so far from them regarding gaa
yet the same people wont admit this simply because they are blinded by the big name

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/05/2014 14:54:18    1591892

22/05/2014 13:23:50 hill16no1man
it seems people are obsessed with the fact sky are abig multinantional company and this automatically means they can not be criticised and also that they will automatically be better then our own brodcasters.
im pointing out an obvious reason to state that analysis will be wekaer by the fact they only have one analyst per match
your being asked to pay 39 euro a month for their package. one analyst is a lack of care for the sport
how can that be an improvement on covering our games? how can this be an improvement on analysis like we have been told will happen?
the fact that it is essentialy tv3s production team analysts and commentators.
how can people not get the clear fact that you are not getting any differance then what was on tv3 except paying 39 euro more
to see it, because its sky sports people seem so brainwashed that they wont look straight at the facts.
every newspaper has stated sky sports line up stellar and impressive gaa panel but when tv3 took over there was no such talk of their panel being in the same hyped up fashion despite the fact they were the same guys only less of them As Htaem says you don't speak for us all and are not our last line of defence against the 'evil sky corporation'
Sky are a big multinational corporation with great expertise in providing top class sports coverage highly regarded world wide so yes in most cases they can be seen as better than our own broadcasters.
You cant just say Analysis will be worse if there is just 1 analyst and 39 euro gets a huge variety of sports and its well worth the price
It will be an improvement as it brings variety/change and makes existing channels showing games having to up their game as they've new rivals...
You cant say its just "more expensive tv3" when they are yet to show a game..

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/05/2014 15:04:13    1591898

22/05/2014 14:46:42 Htaem
You need to relax hill, you're not our last line of defence against 'the evil Sky corporation' you know, some people just like the amount of channels and sports on offer and willing pay the monthly subscription. You're beginning to sound a bit like Jim Corr with all your conspiracy like criticism of Sky.
Here's the fact = Gaa WILL be on Skysports for at least 3 years, you can sing and dance about it all you want but that's the simple fact. If they do a bad job or it doesn't work out financially then the deal will most likely break down in 3 years time and I don't really care if that happens to be honest but anyway it's going to be on Sky for 3 years at least.........get over it.+1.
22/05/2014 14:54:18 hill16no1man
htaem Its not the fact that they get a few matches
its the assumption and the branding that they were going to change analaysis and coverage of GAA
and it came from posters on here
yet I think even the dogs in the street can dmit its been very poor stuff so far from them regarding gaa
yet the same people wont admit this simply because they are blinded by the big name they will change coverage as for first time a major international broadcaster will be showing live coverage. Live coverage of games will be available in significant proportion of homes in our nearest neighbours. They will change analysis if you go by their coverage of any other sports they've covered.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/05/2014 15:07:30    1591902

hill16no1man you're still going on about Sky only having one pundit?

Going by what you're saying - they've already broadcast and you've seen their coverage - which is nonsense of course, it's the old HS poster failing of not knowing what you're talking about.

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 22/05/2014 15:07:47    1591903

Hill, maybe people were wrong about the tv3 team then... Why not just give them an actual chance to prove themselves and then judge them on that? Crazy idea I know... Why do you hate sky so much? If you don't want to watch sky, just don't watch it. Why can nobody watch it?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/05/2014 15:10:25    1591904

hill

You may well be right, it may be poor stuff from them so far but to be fair to them they haven't even covered a single game yet so we should probably refrain from heavy criticism and indeed praise until we see their coverage in the flesh.

Also as long as Sky are the junior partners in this they're probably not going to devote as much time and attention to the Gaa as they would if they had the entire package, now I'm not for a second suggesting they should get the full rights but that's possibly their attitude.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 22/05/2014 15:10:52    1591905

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hill

You may well be right, it may be poor stuff from them so far but to be fair to them they haven't even covered a single game yet so we should probably refrain from heavy criticism and indeed praise until we see their coverage in the flesh.

Also as long as Sky are the junior partners in this they're probably not going to devote as much time and attention to the Gaa as they would if they had the entire package, now I'm not for a second suggesting they should get the full rights but that's possibly their attitude.

thats exactly my point!
before anything was announced people were trumping sky and what they would do for gaa
I would not be saying a thing if it wasnt for these people proclaiming them going to tranform gaa coverage
and tha analysts they would bring in would show the game in a completly new light and their coverage would be well ahead of tv3
yet the point is that it is tv3 just on pay per view, yet these same people wont admit that because they think sky sports can do no wrong.
also on your other point about full rights
thats the exact thing I and many other on here were saying all along
that that would definatly be their intention
but the supporters of sky sport on here kept informing us we were scaremongering and so on that it would never happen
well you have just hit the nail on the head there

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/05/2014 15:17:03    1591912

22/05/2014 15:07:47 Floops
hill16no1man you're still going on about Sky only having one pundit?
Going by what you're saying - they've already broadcast and you've seen their coverage - which is nonsense of course, it's the old HS poster failing of not knowing what you're talking about. +1
22/05/2014 15:10:25 TheMaster
Hill, maybe people were wrong about the tv3 team then... Why not just give them an actual chance to prove themselves and then judge them on that? Crazy idea I know... Why do you hate sky so much? If you don't want to watch sky, just don't watch it. Why can nobody watch it?+1
22/05/2014 15:17:03 hill16no1man
thats exactly my point! before anything was announced people were trumping sky and what they would do for gaa
I would not be saying a thing if it wasnt for these people proclaiming them going to tranform gaa coverage
and tha analysts they would bring in would show the game in a completly new light and their coverage would be well ahead of tv3
yet the point is that it is tv3 just on pay per view, yet these same people wont admit that because they think sky sports can do no wrong.
also on your other point about full rights thats the exact thing I and many other on here were saying all along that that would definatly be their intention but the supporters of sky sport on here kept informing us we were scaremongering and so on that it would never happen well you have just hit the nail on the head there that hasn't been the point you've been making IMO...
People have been praising Sky and all that based on their experience of coverage of other sports. It isn't "tv3 just on pay per view" and you cant judge them with no games shown yet.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/05/2014 15:31:24    1591928

Live coverage of games will be available in significant proportion of homes in our nearest neighbours.


It already was on premier sports Ormo

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/05/2014 16:19:35    1591967

hill

Sky will bring Gaa coverage to a new level, not in terms of their brilliant analysis or anything like that but in terms of exposure, the Gaa now has the potential to be seen by far more people now and I personally think that's a great thing. Again though it may not work, it may be passed off, who knows, but Sky can provide the extra exposure that RTE and TV3 simply can't, that's all really.

As for the future, Sky may well look for full coverage, but then again they may not even seek to renew their deal with the Gaa, it's far too early to even speculate on that, that's for another day.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 22/05/2014 16:34:32    1591974

22/05/2014 16:19:35
gotmilk
It already was on premier sports Ormondfixed your post but it will now be available in much more homes with the games being on Sky. Way more have Sky Sports than Premier sports.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/05/2014 16:40:24    1591979

Lads stop referencing premier sports like it is in anyway good, firstly you have to have sky or virgin to get it, its £10 a month extra on top of your sky package and as stated already by those of us who are in the UK and have had it, it's rubbish!!! Terrible coverage, big games not being shown live, not punditry at all (not that that bothers me, but seems to be a big selling point on this thread)!

The GAA being on sky sports is fantastic news for us Gaels exiled in the UK, I for one am very excited!!

macattack (UK) - Posts: 584 - 22/05/2014 16:43:12    1591981

This must be the first time I've been on the same side of a debate as Ormondo & Htaem. On most other threads (admittedly I don't contribute to that many) I'd probably be on the same side as Hill.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 22/05/2014 17:27:32    1592010

hill, 1 question. How do you know the analysis wont be better? One of the reasons that people like Gary Neville is lauded for his analysis in soccer is because he has the technology available to him to 1) Watch the games from different angles to come up with his analysis and 2) The ability to use the screens live to show the things he has spotted. Canavan would not have had the technology on TV3 to spot these things or indeed to show them to viewers. He acknowledged such in the press conference:

"The resources at our disposal to analyse the games are second to none and I'm really looking forward to working with the team and bringing GAA supporters such a high level of insight."

Sky have said that they will be filming with 13 cameras in the games that they are showing exclusively and on the simulcasts with RTE they will be bringing 6 or 7 of their own additional cameras.

Now I'm not saying for definite that it will be an improvement but given this information its crazy to dismiss them before they have even broadcast a single game!

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 22/05/2014 17:32:43    1592013