KingdomBoy1

but none of ye still have answered my question why wasn't something as important as this brought before congress ???

That's an easy question = they didn't have to bring it before congress, that's why they didn't. Now I'm guessing that you've probably convinced yourself that if the Sky deal was brought before congress it would have been defeated, but you never know, it may well have passed to.

Either way you're flogging a dead here Kingdomboy, you can use all the if's in the world but the fact is that it WASN'T brought before congress and therefore obviously it didn't have to be brought before congress = it wasn't brought before congress, simple answer to a simple question :-)

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 28/05/2014 09:52:02    1594558

KingdomBoy1
County: Kerry
Posts: 2040

If in doubt
How did I insult you kid? You reckon there are no poor people in Ireland that's what makes me think you and the other pro sky boys haven't a clue, If there isn't poor people in Ireland why did Sinn Fein get such of a high percentage of the peoples votes in the European and local elections ? If there isn't poor people surely people would be still voting fine geal and labour ! And I didn't even know setanta had games till this February , had I known I would have been on here to air my disgust, you say I don't answer ye'r questions but none of ye still have answered my question why wasn't something as important as this brought before congress ???

Why exactly are you claiming that I think "there are no poor people in Ireland"? I doubt there's anybody in the country who doesn't realise how bad the last few years have been.

The fact that I'm favour of the Sky deal has nothing to do with my own, nor indeed anybody else's financial circumstances.

What exactly have Sinn Féin got to do with the Sky deal?

I don't have Sky myself, I won't be getting it on the basis of them having the GAA but I will make an effort to see whatever matches I can and I'll back this venture.

Surely if the Sky deal was to be brought before congress then deals with RTE, TG4 and Channel 7 would have to be brought before congress in the future too. Why should one tv company be treated any different to another?

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 28/05/2014 12:03:39    1594634

Why should one tv company be treated any different to another?

The only answer to that question is simply because they are British!

macattack (UK) - Posts: 584 - 28/05/2014 12:20:58    1594642

an tseabhac,
your fellow countyman is the one playing up to the Healy-Rea stereotype. My god there are plenty of Sky dishes in County Kerry the last time I was down there stroking yer women :-)

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 28/05/2014 15:34:58    1594754

macattack
County: UK
Why should one tv company be treated any different to another?
The only answer to that question is simply because they are British!

Don't try to turn the debate into something it isn't, that's adolescent and nasty. People were asking the question because its a subscription service, and not free to air. Games had been already broadcast by the BBC, and if all the matches were being shown on BBC, ITV, Channel 4 etc, and all matches televised were still available to Irish audiences free-to-air on RTE or any channel, people wouldn't have a problem.

In any case, the deal is done now. And now that they have this deal, maybe the GAA should start using some of that TV money to lower ticket prices for games and get rear ends on seats, so no matter what station the games are on, they're not being filmed in half empty stadiums like last weekend.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 28/05/2014 16:31:11    1594786

Marlon_JD

In fairness Marlon some posters do actually have an issue with Sky and one of the reasons is because it's a british company, it may not be the only or even main issue but it is still an issue for some people.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 28/05/2014 16:56:54    1594802

Marlon, read back over the thread from the start and you can take the direct quotes for yourself! I have not the "nasty" one!

macattack (UK) - Posts: 584 - 28/05/2014 17:42:55    1594824

macattack
County: UK
Marlon, read back over the thread from the start and you can take the direct quotes for yourself! I have not the "nasty" one!

I have read the thread. And the issue that the majority of posters (or the posters who have reservations about this deal) are concerned about is the fact that some games will only be available to Irish audiences if the pay for a Sky subscription, then a Sky sports package with that.

Now whether people think this is an over-reaction, or that the pro's outweigh the cons, that's a fair enough debate, and that's what the majority of posters who've argued for the deal have done.
But just trotting out the 'ah ye only hate it because its British' argument is lazy, and a cheap way to dismiss someoene's point of view without actually addressing genuine concerns. Its become a trite knee-jerk reaction by some people to any discussion involving anything British. In fact, I think most people who slavishly stick to that retort, regardless of the overall context, are as bad as people who actually do dismiss anything British instantly without consideration. Two sides of the same unthinking coin.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 28/05/2014 18:10:25    1594839

Rte need competition. Far too negative re GAA. Six One sports section regularly gives team updates and training footage plus a few tries thrown in re rugby matchs at weekend. Yesterday (Wednesday) in the same programme we got a compilation of all that is negative in Gaelic Football. No preview of weekend matches. GAA followers deserve better.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 29/05/2014 12:57:15    1595154

29/05/2014 12:57:15 mod
Rte need competition. Far too negative re GAA. Six One sports section regularly gives team updates and training footage plus a few tries thrown in re rugby matchs at weekend. Yesterday (Wednesday) in the same programme we got a compilation of all that is negative in Gaelic Football. No preview of weekend matches. GAA followers deserve better. RTE does need competition and it isn't far too negative about GAA. They generally info on 4 or 5 teams in rugby. The 4 provinces and the national side. Nothing more. There is many multiples of that of inter county teams between hurling and football....
What you are saying about news yesterday is ridiculous and you will get previews of the games this weekend tonight/Friday/Saturday....

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/05/2014 13:05:46    1595164

Re Ormond RTE does need competition and it isn't far too negative about GAA.
They generally info on 4 or 5 teams in rugby. The 4 provinces and the national side. Nothing more.
There is many multiples of that of inter county teams between hurling and football....
What you are saying about news yesterday is ridiculous and you will get previews of the games this weekend tonight/Friday/Saturday..

Most of these discussions come down to opinion so I would like to inject a few facts. Here is the coveage of GAA and rugby since Mon 19th May (hardly the middle of rugby season). Lets see how many GAA match previews there were.
Mon19th
Rugby squad is named for South American tour. J Smidt interviewed and there was some video of tries. English International J Wilkinson is retiring No GAA match previews in fact no GAA
Tues 20th
Carney of Leinster is injured and we are told of some Munster coaching appointments. No GAA match previews in fact no GAA
Wed 21st
Jackson is out of the South American tour and there is more information on coaching changes in the Munster setup. GAA coverage consisted of 10 seconds on the 2 Walshes from Killkenny. No match previews.
Thurs 22nd
No Rugby or GAA
Fri 23rd
Interview with one player from major hurling contenders. No preview of matches that weekend which included such clashes as Cork v Waterford Tyrone v Down Donegal v Derry .
Mon 26th
GAA consisted of announcement about 10 seconds that prices would be reduced for Cork Waterford replay No mention of Sundays match or footage from the encounter.
Tues 27th
Long interview of a number of Leinster players on who was going to replace BOD. We were also told of some player leaving Munster and more team news of Leinsters game on Saturday. And who was going to play the 10 position. No GAA match previews in fact again no GAA

Wed 28th
No rugby but we have some GAA. Referees being called in to sort out inconsistencies plenty of game video now but all on negative fouling. No weekend match previews.
GAA on Hogan Stand say
"RTE were outside on the night and you'd swear it was the end of the world. It was a regular referees meeting that was brought forward ….."
Thursday 29th
GAA this time is about GAA players having mental problems accompanied with some mournful music. Hardly a very positive view. Still no weekend match previews.
Friday 30th
Rugby Leinster team announcements Final match for Brian O D (again) and Cullen retires. Cullen is interviewed as is the Leinster coach GAA Limerick v Tipp preview (at last!!) Players and manager from both sides interviewed
So no GAA match previews on RTE Six One news in time covered apart from tonight Fri where only one of the weekend matches was mentioned.
Total number of Rugby mentions in last 100 weekdays is 80 one slightly negative. Gaelic Football and Hurling together were mentioned 55 times many of the mentions were negative
Perhaps its time for you to talk to your RTE contacts again and be a little less quick to brand other viewpoints as ridiculous. The stats speak for themselves.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 30/05/2014 20:37:11    1595866

I think RTE have upped their standard already as a result of the sky threat.
Ciaran Whelan, Tomas O Se and Donal Og Cusack all give detailed and clear analysis.
Brolly and Spillane etc are only really there for the controversial or haha factor.

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 31/05/2014 14:36:59    1595985

30/05/2014 20:37:11 mod
Re Ormond RTE does need competition and it isn't far too negative about GAA.
They generally info on 4 or 5 teams in rugby. The 4 provinces and the national side. Nothing more.
There is many multiples of that of inter county teams between hurling and football....
What you are saying about news yesterday is ridiculous and you will get previews of the games this weekend tonight/Friday/Saturday..
Most of these discussions come down to opinion so I would like to inject a few facts. Here is the coveage of GAA and rugby since Mon 19th May (hardly the middle of rugby season). Lets see how many GAA match previews there were.
Mon19th
Rugby squad is named for South American tour. J Smidt interviewed and there was some video of tries. English International J Wilkinson is retiring No GAA match previews in fact no GAA
Tues 20th
Carney of Leinster is injured and we are told of some Munster coaching appointments. No GAA match previews in fact no GAA
Wed 21st
Jackson is out of the South American tour and there is more information on coaching changes in the Munster setup. GAA coverage consisted of 10 seconds on the 2 Walshes from Killkenny. No match previews.
Thurs 22nd
No Rugby or GAA
Fri 23rd
Interview with one player from major hurling contenders. No preview of matches that weekend which included such clashes as Cork v Waterford Tyrone v Down Donegal v Derry .
Mon 26th
GAA consisted of announcement about 10 seconds that prices would be reduced for Cork Waterford replay No mention of Sundays match or footage from the encounter.
Tues 27th
Long interview of a number of Leinster players on who was going to replace BOD. We were also told of some player leaving Munster and more team news of Leinsters game on Saturday. And who was going to play the 10 position. No GAA match previews in fact again no GAA

Wed 28th
No rugby but we have some GAA. Referees being called in to sort out inconsistencies plenty of game video now but all on negative fouling. No weekend match previews.
GAA on Hogan Stand say
"RTE were outside on the night and you'd swear it was the end of the world. It was a regular referees meeting that was brought forward ….."
Thursday 29th
GAA this time is about GAA players having mental problems accompanied with some mournful music. Hardly a very positive view. Still no weekend match previews.
Friday 30th
Rugby Leinster team announcements Final match for Brian O D (again) and Cullen retires. Cullen is interviewed as is the Leinster coach GAA Limerick v Tipp preview (at last!!) Players and manager from both sides interviewed
So no GAA match previews on RTE Six One news in time covered apart from tonight Fri where only one of the weekend matches was mentioned.
Total number of Rugby mentions in last 100 weekdays is 80 one slightly negative. Gaelic Football and Hurling together were mentioned 55 times many of the mentions were negative
Perhaps its time for you to talk to your RTE contacts again and be a little less quick to brand other viewpoints as ridiculous. The stats speak for themselves. Ill still call your viewpoint ridiculous. Rugby will get a significant proportion of coverage at this time as its finals time. The last few weeks are the weeks when all the provincial rugby competitions are coming to a close. Finals, leagues at conclusion, European conclusion. This is when large news coverage will occur as competitions are at a conclusion
You mention no previews of GAA on a Monday or Tuesday. You wont see previews of games which will be played on a Sunday that early unless they are finals..
If you have such an issue with RTE. Complain to them. write to presenters, tweet them, whatever you like as they and the majority of viewers clearly have no issue with their coverage and GAA coverage is most certainly not primarily negative..

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 31/05/2014 15:12:57    1595991

One thing has become abundantly clear throughout the last few weeks, GAA people spend more time thinking about Sky than sky people spend thinking about the GAA.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 31/05/2014 15:16:09    1595994

Owen Mulligan said on TSG last week "Why are we talking about the ref's poor performance for 3 minutes and not Michael Murphy's massive sideline kick?"

He was dead right or is it that we just love a good moan.

Think of how the British Public would cream themselves if in a prem lge game Gerrard was gonna cross in a free kick but Rodgers ran down to him and told him shoot and he scored.

They would get years outta that..We need to celebrate our sport not nitpick

shea (Kerry) - Posts: 409 - 31/05/2014 15:18:00    1595996

Greatest team from '02 til present ?
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Mark O Se 3. Francie Bellew 4.Ryan Mc Menamin
5. Tomas O Se 6. Kieran Mc Geaney 7. Carl Lacey
8. Dara O Se 9. Sean Cavanagh
10. Brian Dooher 11. Declan O Sullivan 12. Oisin Mc Conville
13. Colm Cooper 14. Bernard Brogan 15. Peter Canavan
/ Steven Mc Donnell
Some players very unlucky to be left out, couldn't pick 2 from Cavanan, Brogan And Mc Donnell to play alongside Cooper. judged on all Ireland finals, semi finals and provincial finals. Subs and panel: Benny Coulter, Alan Brogan, Daniel Goulding, Kieran Mc Donald, Conor Gormely, Niall Mc Namee, Mattie Forde, Leighton Glynn, Ciaran Whelan, Mike Mc Carthy, Philip Jordan, Paddy Bradley, Nicholas Murphy, Graham Canty, Johnny Doyle, Padraig Joyce, Dessie Dolan, Keith Higgins. Thoughts?

SweetStrike (Louth) - Posts: 11 - 31/05/2014 15:21:47    1595997

Re Ormond RTE does need competition and it isn't far too negative about GAA.
They generally info on 4 or 5 teams in rugby. The 4 provinces and the national side. Nothing more.
There is many multiples of that of inter county teams between hurling and football....
What you are saying about news yesterday is ridiculous and you will get previews of the games this weekend tonight/Friday/Saturday..
30/05/2014 20:37:11
mod
Most of these discussions come down to opinion so I would like to inject a few facts. Here is the coveage of GAA and rugby since Mon 19th May (hardly the middle of rugby season). Lets see how many GAA match previews there were.

So no GAA match previews on RTE Six One news in time covered apart from tonight Fri where only one of the weekend matches was mentioned.
Total number of Rugby mentions in last 100 weekdays is 80 one slightly negative. Gaelic Football and Hurling together were mentioned 55 times many of the mentions were negative
Perhaps its time for you to talk to your RTE contacts again and be a little less quick to brand other viewpoints as ridiculous. The stats speak for themselves. May 19th and on to now is the equivalent of September 1st-21st in the Hurling and Gaelic season. This is not the middle of the rugby season but is when all the competitions are coming to a close so will dominate.
Your whole look through is kind of sad(and ridiculous) that you despise coverage of virtually completely irish sides competing with the best in their sport..
Most mentions of hurling/gaelic were most certainly not negative. If you have such an issue with RTE coverage of GAA and that GAA is not being treated in an equal manner then complain...

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 31/05/2014 15:33:43    1596000

Sweetstrike. Thoughts? Ill give you one.
Anyone who does not include graham geraghty in a team from 02 to present knows nothing about football.

foreverroyal (Meath) - Posts: 349 - 31/05/2014 15:55:12    1596008

Ormond,

"Rugby will get a significant proportion of coverage at this time as its finals time. The last few weeks are the weeks when all the provincial rugby competitions are coming to a close. Finals, leagues at conclusion, European conclusion. This is when large news coverage will occur as competitions are at a conclusion"

Everyone's provincial season is long over except Leinster's. And the Rabo Direct is about as important as the National League is in GAA.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 31/05/2014 16:08:43    1596013

31/05/2014 16:08:43
keeper7
Ormond, "Rugby will get a significant proportion of coverage at this time as its finals time. The last few weeks are the weeks when all the provincial rugby competitions are coming to a close. Finals, leagues at conclusion, European conclusion. This is when large news coverage will occur as competitions are at a conclusion"

Everyone's provincial season is long over except Leinster's. And the Rabo Direct is about as important as the National League is in GAA. Season isn't long over. 2 weeks really...
Rabo cannot be compared to National League in GAA considering it lasts the entire Rugby season unlike the National League which is finished before start of championship. They are very different and while European cup is main goal for irish sides the league can take over depending on circumstances of season

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 31/05/2014 16:57:08    1596026