Naysayer, agreed. Donegal are easily the most disliked team in Ireland. I don't know why and I certainly don't agree with it. As I've said before the turn around they experienced is easily the most impressive feat I've ever seen of any team in any sport.

GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 02/05/2014 11:16:32    1583287

Sympathise with the Donegal folk as any time we do anything an the all ireland stage we get destroyed. People don't like them because they done well. In my opinion I think they will go back a good bit now though. I don't think they will do a lot this year and will lose mcguinness, mc fadden and few others next year probably. The only way they will achieve success is to buy into that mantra that mc guinness brought and it just won't happen for a while.

On positive note they have a seriously strong minor side this year who could be a tip for AI glory and their u 21 side has been unlucky last few years against the excellent cavan side.

Its hard to listen to the tripe that comes form some of the southern quarters but ye just have to grin and bear it and look forward to the day again when you beat the dubs in croker and they all crawl back in to the cracks they came out of!

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 02/05/2014 11:24:31    1583297

Regarding the cancellation of fixtures, Cavan Co Board cancelled a fully schedule of fixtures the week before the U-21 Semi final against Dublin & there hasn't been a word about it. This was done on the Thursday of the week concerned. These fixtures were, as the CCC told us at the start of the year when the clubs were voting on a new league format, 'set in stone & won't be changed for anything'. They are refixed for Wednesday nights when a lot of the players are in college or working away from home!!

92dl (Cavan) - Posts: 52 - 02/05/2014 12:14:44    1583326

Have to say it refreshing that our nearest and dearest neighbours in Tyrone are supportive of us, thanks lads and yes I agree with you comments on this, but it's Ireland we live in were the bruguders are a plently, now we are the most hated team in Ireland because we have been quite successfully in the last few years, we were loved the width and breadth of the country when we were the party boys ....

We have been success full mainly due to Mc guinness's ability as a coach and a lot more besides, if you asked me why Mc Guinness isn't liked its due to him being successful in his personal life and getting a top job in a big club like Celtic,( sure your not allowed to that and your not committed to the Donegal job was the constant theme on here when he got that job) most people on here would prefer if he was the local milkman, not that I have anything against milkmen

ben1977 (Donegal) - Posts: 364 - 02/05/2014 12:18:04    1583328

Some lads are a bit sensitive. Your disliked if you do well and your from Ulster. Tyrone and Armagh we're hated in the 00. Take it as a compliment. Who cares!!!! You'll see it with Monaghan if they get a good run going. However I dislike them already;)

DLlegends (Donegal) - Posts: 503 - 02/05/2014 12:48:07    1583351

50 odd years a following Donegal, even saw them play at Wembley , Ruislip and Hendon Town' s old football ground ( challenge game Donegal vMayo 20 odd years ago) and seeing we are the most hated team in Ireland means Ill follow them even more. It's how J McG has turned things around that Iv so much time for him. Also thought a lot of MMoran, B McIver and T Connaghan when they were in charge. Also as I said yesterday about the press Donegal received after their defeat in the semi of 2011 made me harden to the McGuiness cause. Good to see the Cavan poster telling us about the games postponed by their Co board ,which was the right thing to do especially to try and help win an AI Hard luck that night Cavan.
After that semi in2011 I went into a small cafe for a coffeebesid Drumcondra railway station. Kevin McStay was there and seeing us in Donegal colours asked us about the game Said it was terrible football, terrible way to play. Asked me would I follow Donegal next year if they played like that??? Of course I told him ,have been following Donegal for years and will still do so no matter how they set up.
After all the stick we took in 2011 , I can tell you 2012 was SWEET and J McG made all that possible. But we must praise the players,panel and anybody else connected with them. Don't forget in that Semi when Donegal ventured out of defence to go on the attack they were booed by the Dublin Supporters.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 02/05/2014 12:59:01    1583357

Dllegends
I would not be like that but I'd like to get a crack at them (Monaghan) in the Ulster final or later on ( it would be nice to beat them in the -All Ireland final) but if they are the last Ulster team standing the n of course I'd want them to won the All Ireland. Saw plenty of anti Tyrone/Armagh sentiment here in London in the 00's Look back at last years Donegal v Mayo semi final, a Kerry supporter was jumping all over the place every time Mayo scored. He could not have supported his own county any better. Just loved to see Donegal getting hammered. But what ever happens we'll come back , might take a few years, JMcG might take a few years out and come back again to haunt the rest of the country again

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 02/05/2014 13:10:01    1583361

A lot of posters here seem desperate to create an Ulster against the rest siege mentality - it is disappointing to see. The games and the country are much better off without that nonsense really. A lot of fine, successful sides from Ulster have been well respected and liked throughout Ireland, whether it be the Down team of the 60's that people still talk about due to the exciting way they played the game with gifted footballers, the successful teams of the 90's with great footballers like McCartan, Linden, Tohill, Downey, Blaney, Carr, McHughs, Molloy etc etc. In recent times there has been huge admiration for the great Crossmaglen club, Down had popular support in 2010 and Monaghan are gaining in support as the football public get to see more of their talented footballers and good style of football.
The link between Tyrone, Armagh and Donegal is not their province but the style of football they are perceived to play by the general public. Saying things like Jim McGuinness is only disliked because people are jealous of his success at Celtic is silly stuff - you may recall he came in for some criticism in 2011 long before he was employed in Glasgow. I know Donegal posters here are convinced that they have less talented footballers than Kerry and so have to play the game in the style they do to achieve success but I would love to know they think Donegal do not have talented footballers. They have a bigger population than Kerry yet feel they can not field a team to match Kerry's skills it seems. I actually think Donegal have some of the country's finest players, and if managed in a different style would be more than capable of going toe-to-toe against Kerry etc.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 02/05/2014 13:31:03    1583375

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Sympathise with the Donegal folk as any time we do anything an the all ireland stage we get destroyed. People don't like them because they done well. In my opinion I think they will go back a good bit now though. I don't think they will do a lot this year and will lose mcguinness, mc fadden and few others next year probably. The only way they will achieve success is to buy into that mantra that mc guinness brought and it just won't happen for a while.

On positive note they have a seriously strong minor side this year who could be a tip for AI glory and their u 21 side has been unlucky last few years against the excellent cavan side.

Its hard to listen to the tripe that comes form some of the southern quarters but ye just have to grin and bear it and look forward to the day again when you beat the dubs in croker and they all crawl back in to the cracks they came out of!


Having read your post I can only assume you dont read much posts but just post in a reactionary manner , the southern quarters ? Just what is that ? South of where ? The Republic ? South of Donegal ? South of Tyrone ?
Had some one come on a lumped all northern counties as the Nordies sure you would have an issue with it , but just to clarify I personally had no issue with Armagh or Tyrone but did have an issue with Donegal when they played us in the All Ireland semi final , for inflicting an abomination of a game and performance on me and other spectators , I understand that its their right as a team to play any way they feel , but I dont have to like it , and it has / had nothing to do with geography , you might want to let go of the chip on your shoulder could cause problems in later life .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 02/05/2014 14:17:54    1583413

Damothedub
No chip on our shoulder my dear man But what I can tell you is this::: what I saw here in London was a big dislike for Ulster football and a lot of people would turn their back on the TV or else go play cards Could not get over the Kerry crowd when Tyrone /Armagh beat them. That was their first All Ireland ( 2002/2003 ) yet I had a feeling they begrudged both counties their AI
Or I can tell you another one:::: my nephew, both in Kildare was in a shop one morning and the talk came up about winning Sam, a local man comes out with the statement ,I don't care who wins as long as the NORTHERN shower don't win it How comes it is only Ulster football that gets so much criticism ??? What about Leinster, What about Munster or what about Connaught ????? I pay no notice of it :: proud of Donegal /Ulster

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 02/05/2014 14:52:00    1583433

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Damothedub
No chip on our shoulder my dear man But what I can tell you is this::: what I saw here in London was a big dislike for Ulster football and a lot of people would turn their back on the TV or else go play cards Could not get over the Kerry crowd when Tyrone /Armagh beat them. That was their first All Ireland ( 2002/2003 ) yet I had a feeling they begrudged both counties their AI
Or I can tell you another one:::: my nephew, both in Kildare was in a shop one morning and the talk came up about winning Sam, a local man comes out with the statement ,I don't care who wins as long as the NORTHERN shower don't win it How comes it is only Ulster football that gets so much criticism ??? What about Leinster, What about Munster or what about Connaught ????? I pay no notice of it :: proud of Donegal /Ulster

C'mon away outta that man.

I'd wager there's plenty a conversation had about potential All-Ireland winners that ends with "I don't care who wins as long as it isn't that shower of Dubs!"

Heard myself plenty of times!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13795 - 02/05/2014 15:00:35    1583437

It is probably the strength of the Province as a whole (except Antrim unless of course they are playing a Southern side like Galway, West Meath, Carlow etc) that gets peoples back up. I agree that a lot of people say anyone but Dublin or Kerry but since you do not know from one year to the next which Ulster county is going to be the biggest threat it creates an anybody but Ulster approach. I suppose maybe it should be taken as a compliment.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 02/05/2014 15:19:41    1583450

The naysayer,

I tink the "anyone but ulster" attitude is peoples reaction for what Armagh,Tyrone and DOonegal have done to the game.

Neutrals don't want to see them in Finals etc because they want to be entertained.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 02/05/2014 15:33:09    1583456

SamOnErrigal - What Kerry folk begrudged Armagh and Tyrone their All irelands
We lost All ireland finals which is actually gutting. Same as when we lost to the Dubs.

I have never seen a spectacle as I saw when Armagh won in 02- the field was green one second and the whole pitch was a sea of orange the next minute after the final whistle.a scene i will never forget
in 2003 we lost to a not so nice on the eye type of football the same as Donegal in 2012.

The gripe I would have is Tyrone in 2003 and Donegal in 2012 they won the All ireland and all of a sudden Mickey Harte and Jim Mcguinness are messiahs of football and that eyeryone should now follow their lead (Harte though has shown that he is a top quality manager over a prolonged period of time)
Kerry showed in 04 that was a load of codswallop, Tyrone actually after 03 played some top quality exciting football whereas Donegal have tried to keep to the same style but it has shown that type of intense fitness just cannot be prolonged. So fair play for winning the All Ireland in 2012 but I think now
The Dubs last year also showed that Donegals blueprint was not the way to be followed and if you ask me are the standard bearers of how football showed be taught to kids at the moment.

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 02/05/2014 15:45:26    1583462

daytona11 so now Armagh and Tyrone also - is this revisionism? - Get over it and take your beatings from the Ulster teams.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 02/05/2014 15:48:41    1583465

I tink the "anyone but ulster" attitude is peoples reaction for what Armagh,Tyrone and DOonegal have done to the game.

Neutrals don't want to see them in Finals etc because they want to be entertained.

Yeah the 2002, 2005 and 2008 finals were terrible *rolls eyes*. Not even sure why I responded to that. The 2012 wasn't the worst either.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 02/05/2014 16:08:48    1583472

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Naysayer, agreed. Donegal are easily the most disliked team in Ireland...

From this point on there have been several posters who have asserted this same poorly-researched accusation. I would be inclined to call it a fallacy.

Any casual observer of Gaelic football and its attendant culture will tell you, after a week, that there is one county in Éire who is vastly more despised and begrudged than any other. It has been "easily the most disliked team" since the mid-20th century if not earlier. It currently is, not entirely coincidentally because of a high level of success, the most hated and the one county everyone wants to see beaten. Going by all evidence, it will continue to be long into this century.

Sin iad, ar ndóigh, na Dubs. Capital v country beats all. Personally I always had a soft spot for them because they are the main rivals of An Mhí, but you are codding yourself if you believe any rural county faces that level of opprobium and vitriol.

Hell, even when we were winning all the time, neutrals would support An Ríocht against them. N'fheadar cad ina thaobh- if I was not from here, I'd hate us til the cows came home.

From the quoted posts onwards, there are some wanderings over the border into Terra Paranoia. Not too deeply , but I fear for the direction of the thread.

an tseabhac (Kerry) - Posts: 441 - 02/05/2014 16:14:52    1583476

Also excuse my grammar!! hard to browse and "work" too at times!

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 02/05/2014 16:17:37    1583478

Listen to the gaelgóir for he knows what he talks of! Na Dubs Abú!:)

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 02/05/2014 16:46:31    1583495

an tseabhac, lets go with easily the most 'modernly' disliked then so as not to upset those who have had this dislike beforehand.

GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 02/05/2014 16:55:28    1583500