Desperate news for Gooch & Kerry.

I wish him all the best.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 17/02/2014 17:24:16    1547582

Awful news for all GAA fans and an absolute body blow for Kerry. The centre half forward position looked made for this genius of a player.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1792 - 17/02/2014 17:57:01    1547607

Sad news. Here's hoping the recovery goes well can be back to his best next year.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 17/02/2014 18:22:32    1547626

Massive loss for club and county. The Championship will not be the same without the magic of Gooch, quality player and had the ability to carry a team single-handedly, arguably the best player ever to grace the game. Best of luck to him in his recovery, and hopefully we will be seeing him in the Green and Gold of Ciarrai next year.

lifebuoy (Cavan) - Posts: 628 - 17/02/2014 18:31:55    1547629

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Slightly off topic, but something needs to be looked into about cruciate ligament injuries. They've completely plagued the GAA for the last 5 years especially. Not a coincidence if you ask me.

It's just a vulnerable ligament, especially in a sport that demands a lot of cutting and turning. There are protocols to help reduce the risk and most counties follow them I'm sure. If there's been an increase in incidence it's probably in line with an increase in the speed of the game.

Cooper was very unlucky- most cruciates are non-contact injuries like Michael Owen's- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyI_gXOE2bw or Andy Moran- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uERvUyGtaMo

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 17/02/2014 18:36:06    1547630

You're right roundball, Gooch's injury is a poor example because it was a contact injury and there isn't really anything you can do about that. I wouldn't say 'the speed of the game' is enough of an excuse though, and if that is the reason then something should be looked into to lessen the amount of these types of injuries. I read a top physio saying that overtraining leads to fatigue which leaves you more prone to ACL injuries as your reaction times are slower, so your body adjusts slower when the knee goes in a bad position. With lads juggling gym work, training and jobs/college along with travel it might be less to do with the speed of the game and more to do with fatigue. Probably a bit of both tbh.

CaisleanCnucha (Dublin) - Posts: 1379 - 17/02/2014 18:57:30    1547638

One of the greatest players any of us are ever likely to see playing. Horrible injury, hopefully he will make a full recovery. Huge blow to Kerry's Championship hopes.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 17/02/2014 19:10:16    1547645

Terrible news for Gooch and Kerry. At 30 hope he can make a full recovery and be back playing again next year. Would be sad to not see him do his thing again on a football field.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 17/02/2014 19:23:43    1547650

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You're right roundball, Gooch's injury is a poor example because it was a contact injury and there isn't really anything you can do about that. I wouldn't say 'the speed of the game' is enough of an excuse though, and if that is the reason then something should be looked into to lessen the amount of these types of injuries. I read a top physio saying that overtraining leads to fatigue which leaves you more prone to ACL injuries as your reaction times are slower, so your body adjusts slower when the knee goes in a bad position. With lads juggling gym work, training and jobs/college along with travel it might be less to do with the speed of the game and more to do with fatigue. Probably a bit of both tbh.

I'm sure that's a factor- but fatigue is a factor in most injuries. Boots have also been suggested as a possible cause, blades on the very edges of the sole stick fast in the ground and if the boot doesn't give way- something has to. Also being overly strong in the quads and weak in the hamstrings is thought to be a factor as the hamstrings act a secondary restraint, if you like, for the ACL and give it some protection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45n_Jlf6oyQ

This kind of landing on an extended knee can damage ACL as well- Murray's hamstrings kinda snap the leg back dramatically- I dunno, that might well have saved him from an ACL tear here.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 17/02/2014 19:40:35    1547659

Terrible news and I hope the Gooch comes back stronger, hes is a great ambassador for GAA.

On another note Clondalkindub called what he thought was a bad injury and also said he hoped it wasn't the case , maybe now a mouthy Mayo lad can apologise for being so defensive .

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 17/02/2014 20:17:53    1547682

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Terrible news and I hope the Gooch comes back stronger, hes is a great ambassador for GAA.

On another note Clondalkindub called what he thought was a bad injury and also said he hoped it wasn't the case , maybe now a mouthy Mayo lad can apologise for being so defensive .

What are you jabbering on about? Clondalkindub was rightly challenged on why he thought it was an ACL tear from looking at TG4 pictures by a number of poster, one of whom was from Mayo. Don't try to bring everything back to the simple common denominator. As it turns out clondalkin was sadly right, which I acknowledged earlier, but that doesn't mean we were wrong to question him.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 17/02/2014 20:46:03    1547701

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Terrible news and I hope the Gooch comes back stronger, hes is a great ambassador for GAA.

On another note Clondalkindub called what he thought was a bad injury and also said he hoped it wasn't the case , maybe now a mouthy Mayo lad can apologise for being so defensive .

What are you jabbering on about? Clondalkindub was rightly challenged on why he thought it was an ACL tear from looking at TG4 pictures by a number of poster, one of whom was from Mayo. Don't try to bring everything back to the simple common denominator. As it turns out clondalkin was sadly right, which I acknowledged earlier, but that doesn't mean we were wrong to question him.

Not jabbering about anything , I didn't mention you so get back in your box.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 17/02/2014 21:17:33    1547730

No problem lads I don't take any satisfaction in being right, sadly I've seen that injury all too often to know it was way more than a dead leg.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 17/02/2014 21:28:51    1547742

You didn't mention me, but why are you trying to make this out to be some sort of Mayo-Dublin thing. Enough of that rubbish clogging up perfectly good threads on here already.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 17/02/2014 21:31:25    1547745

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No problem lads I don't take any satisfaction in being right, sadly I've seen that injury all too often to know it was way more than a dead leg.

70% of ACLs are non-contact injuries. They don't usually come from those kind of collisions so you'll understand why I was sceptical about it being 100% ACL. As you said though his reaction did suggest it wasn't good. Some injuries are pretty obvious, when a fella blows a hamstring, ruptures his achilles or the knee buckles, contact is harder to judge but fair play you got it right.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 17/02/2014 21:44:59    1547755

Really sorry to see one of the greats with such an injury. A massive blow to the game and Kerry.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1872 - 17/02/2014 21:51:09    1547763

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1547745 You didn't mention me, but why are you trying to make this out to be some sort of Mayo-Dublin thing. Enough of that rubbish clogging up perfectly good threads on here already.

Ive no particular interest in creating anything, you've some imagination.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 17/02/2014 21:54:12    1547767

Round ball no problem at all.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 17/02/2014 21:56:55    1547770

I thought the player that caused the injury was certainly acting in a cynical way. As the Gooch was running towards goal the mayo guy came in and took him out as he was about to shoot. Now if that didnt deserve a black card I dont know what does.

Game2Halves (Tyrone) - Posts: 265 - 18/02/2014 10:17:22    1547813

Was a mistimed and clumsy tackle but nobody can say he was deliberative and set out to end Coopers season. Saw some daft stuff on Facebook last night from so called fans saying they hoped Castlebar get hammered in the final (fair enough) to things like they hope the Castlebar player gets injured and never plays again etc etc.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11542 - 18/02/2014 10:38:51    1547826